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#101 Posted by Static Shock (53021 posts) - - Show Bio

That was a very vague feats/instance.

Without debating or arguing, who do you think wins? Just curious.

Also, the grapple gun itself probably has the tensile strength and a powerful-enough spring to pull the car if used as a harness and hooked on to something.

Logically, Batman could possibly take this. Not because he has better feats, but because of his gadgets and weapons, in my opinion. That electric gun (forget the name) and those electric gauntlets he had in Origins could give him the win, since Vibranium in the MCU conducts electricity, rather than insulating it. The part about Batman blitzing spec ops guys is cool and all, but blitzing normal humans doesn't mean he can blitzed enhanced humans. Speed is relative. Batman might be fast to them, but it doesn't mean he could be fast against Black Panther. At the same time, Panther may not have a significant speed advantage against Batman here, either.

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#102 Posted by captain_batman_FTW (8905 posts) - - Show Bio
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#103 Edited by comic_fan123 (1056 posts) - - Show Bio

Interesting match, Arkham Batman's gadgets are the issue here for Black Panther

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#104 Posted by TravisTouchdown (455 posts) - - Show Bio

Does Batman even have the output to damage BP's suit?

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#105 Posted by Static Shock (53021 posts) - - Show Bio

@travistouchdown: Physically, no. But, the suit doesn't stop electrical attacks. Black Widow was able to manage this with her Widow's Bite.

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#106 Posted by Reno117 (2932 posts) - - Show Bio

Bats for the majority.

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#107 Posted by WF_Mxyzptlk (6794 posts) - - Show Bio

Seems like it would be freeze bomb/ electric gun thing FTW.

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#108 Posted by Batman3000 (5652 posts) - - Show Bio

@buildhare: Problem is even if T'challa is stronger (after seeing the movie I know it's true but not by much) T'challa's suit is a huge conductor. That doesn't speak well for his chances against the REC gadget

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#109 Posted by captain_batman_FTW (8905 posts) - - Show Bio

@captain_batman_ftw said:

That was a very vague feats/instance.

Without debating or arguing, who do you think wins? Just curious.

Also, the grapple gun itself probably has the tensile strength and a powerful-enough spring to pull the car if used as a harness and hooked on to something.

Logically, Batman could possibly take this. Not because he has better feats, but because of his gadgets and weapons, in my opinion. That electric gun (forget the name) and those electric gauntlets he had in Origins could give him the win, since Vibranium in the MCU conducts electricity, rather than insulating it. The part about Batman blitzing spec ops guys is cool and all, but blitzing normal humans doesn't mean he can blitzed enhanced humans. Speed is relative. Batman might be fast to them, but it doesn't mean he could be fast against Black Panther. At the same time, Panther may not have a significant speed advantage against Batman here, either.

Not trying to debate who wins here, but Panther doesn't have an advantage in speed. Not anywhere close, really. In the matter of two milliseconds, Batman took out three soldiers. In comparison, Panther managed to put up two hits. Compare that to Batman taking out three guys and it's obvious who the faster one is. And I never tried to imply that Batman could speed blitz Panther (although he actually could hit Panther multiple times before Panther could react, at least according to on-screem feats), what I implied was that Batman will have no issues dodging Panther's hits, seeing how Batman is so much faster than him.

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#110 Posted by captain_batman_FTW (8905 posts) - - Show Bio

@buildhare How does Panther win here? He has a slight, and only a slight, strenght advantage and he also has a durability advantage. But that's about it, he's not as fast as Batman (Panther is actually far behind Arkham Batman in speed considering that Batman's taken out three spec ops soldierrs before any of them could react, meaning that he literally did it within 0,2 seconds), nor is he anywhere near as skilled as Batman is (Batman's an expert in almost every single martial art known to man, and not to mention that he regularly takes out groups of 20+ men, and in Arkham Knight he took out groups of 20+ world-class spec ops soldiers multiple times), he's not anywhere near as intelligent as Batman (defeating an entire 3 billion dollars army in just one evening definitely puts Batman's intelligence beyond that of Panther's), nor is Panther as versatile.

I'd also wager that Batman is stronger than Panther considering that he got out of Grundy's grip and pulled his fingers from each other while Grundy was being amped. Grundy is the guy who stomped Bane, and Bane is the guy who tossed cars more than a 400ft away. Even strenght is debatable, and the strenght advantage seems to lean towards Batman considering that Batman regularly overpowers enhanced human beings or other beings and his best one yet where he got out of Grundy's grip.

@buildhare: Problem is even if T'challa is stronger (after seeing the movie I know it's true but not by much) T'challa's suit is a huge conductor. That doesn't speak well for his chances against the REC gadget

The thing is, that's actually debatable considering that Batman's actually performed better strenght feats, as ludicrous as that may sound.

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#112 Posted by Vertigo- (17732 posts) - - Show Bio

Bats due to gear

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#113 Edited by CourtoftheOwls (125 posts) - - Show Bio

After watching Civil War twice, I'll weigh in. Based on the arena, I'd give the win to Bats. Based on the movie, Panther has no night vision, and Wayne has a clear advantage when it comes to minding the area around him. Also, would the Fear Takedown feature work on T'Challa? And technically, Wayne has access to the Batmobile, as he has the remote control, no?

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#114 Posted by captain_batman_FTW (8905 posts) - - Show Bio

@batman3000: Black Panther's best strenght feat was to overpower Bucky's metal arm. Batman's best strenght eat is breaking out of Solomon Grundy's grip (Grundy being the same guy who stomped Bane) while Grundy was being powered up and squeezing Batman. Guess which one's better.

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#116 Posted by Savage_Sword (92 posts) - - Show Bio

Arkham Batman wins, I don't see MCU Panther doing any better than Black Spider did honestly.

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#117 Edited by captain_batman_FTW (8905 posts) - - Show Bio

@captain_batman_ftw: There's also these feats:

- Cracking up the ground by hitting a human being on it, sending pieces of the ground flying away

- Knocking out multi-tonners on more than five occasions (titans were creating shockwaves from their punches, made an entire floor shake with their punches, tore through and tossed an iron cage with one hand as if it was Captain America's shield)

- There's him hitting Captain Boomerang with his elbow, when CB was flying towards him, and sending him flying 30-40ft away.

- He made King Shark move with his punches, and King Shark's the same being who had a steel beam fall on top of his head and he didn't even flinch, only have him rub his head a little

- Not to mention that Batman literally tossed Joker across a chapel from one side to the other (he tossed him somewhere around 40-50 feet)

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#118 Posted by azrael1973 (2805 posts) - - Show Bio

MCU Black Panther is weak compared to arkham batman

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#119 Posted by Static Shock (53021 posts) - - Show Bio

Not trying to debate who wins here, but Panther doesn't have an advantage in speed.

I said that five days ago.

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#120 Posted by Batman242 (11580 posts) - - Show Bio

If anything, from the game feats, he has incredible endurance. Every game he's done all of it one night.

I never got far in the comics but he had some good showings there.

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#121 Posted by Gracetrack (4638 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman.

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#122 Posted by AllHailSkeletor (780 posts) - - Show Bio

@static_shock: He could throw people around d with one hand and rip through grates with a single pull. It was established that hes stronger then Bruce who has shown great strength.

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#123 Posted by AllHailSkeletor (780 posts) - - Show Bio

@agencyagent34: Well he is the toughest person batman has fought. In his mini story he he effortlessly disposed of trained men. And put Jason Tod down in the comics like nothing. He dont have much but he's close to Batman.

Honestly he needs his own game.

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#124 Posted by Static Shock (53021 posts) - - Show Bio

@static_shock: He could throw people around d with one hand and rip through grates with a single pull. It was established that hes stronger then Bruce who has shown great strength.

Batman was doing the same stuff in the Arkham games, though.

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#125 Posted by AllHailSkeletor (780 posts) - - Show Bio

@static_shock: Yes and Deathstroke was classified to be even stronger. Even in Batmans database.

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#126 Edited by Static Shock (53021 posts) - - Show Bio

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@static_shock: Yes and Deathstroke was classified to be even stronger. Even in Batmans database.

Sadly, Slade doesn't display superior strength against Batman in Arkham Origins. Batman's database didn't say that Deathstroke was stronger, either. It said that he went through physical and mental augmentation, implying that his physical and mental capabilities were enhanced. It didn't say to what degree, though.

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#127 Posted by AllHailSkeletor (780 posts) - - Show Bio

@static_shock: In his gameplay when strength is involved, like riping open grates and covers instead of having mash a pry it open he just rips it off in one tug. Plus with it saying that he has augmented physical capabilities I think it's safe to assume he's stronger them batman.

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#128 Edited by Static Shock (53021 posts) - - Show Bio

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@static_shock: In his gameplay when strength is involved, like riping open grates and covers instead of having mash a pry it open he just rips it off in one tug. Plus with it saying that he has augmented physical capabilities I think it's safe to assume he's stronger them batman.

Well, if he is stronger than Batman, it's either not by much or Batman made Slade's superior strength insignificant.

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#129 Posted by AllHailSkeletor (780 posts) - - Show Bio

@static_shock: Well lady shiva is considerably weaker but she block his hits. Even in thd comic Deathstroke is considerably stronger then batman but he still blocks his blows.

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#130 Posted by Static Shock (53021 posts) - - Show Bio

@static_shock: Well lady shiva is considerably weaker but she block his hits. Even in thd comic Deathstroke is considerably stronger then batman but he still blocks his blows.

There's more to it than that.. I'm saying that if Slade is stronger than Batman, it's not to where it matters, especially if he was defeated by Batman.

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#131 Posted by AllHailSkeletor (780 posts) - - Show Bio

@static_shock: Still it stated he's enhanced and its based if the same comic series. Besides batman has fought croc, bane, and grundy who Trump everyone here's strength.

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#132 Edited by Static Shock (53021 posts) - - Show Bio

@allhailskeletor: Looking at those fights objectively, not all of them were purely physical like Batman's fight with Deathstroke was. I think you're ignoring the circumstances.

  • Batman was physically capable of beating Croc in Origins, yet is unable to do so in Asylum (and Croc appeared to be larger and stronger in Asylum, too) and had to evade Croc and stun him with Batarangs throughout most of the fight.
  • Same goes for Bane. At first, he could physically fight Bane in Origins, but Batman is unable to beat him in battle on the rooftop. Batman was on the ground, and appeared to be physically exhausted in the following cutscene. In the next fight, Bane outclasses him again and delivers a backbreaker. When the fight resumes, Batman then uses the shock gauntlets to his advantage, while removing and/or damaging the Venom tubes on his back during the fight. After Bane injects himself with TN-1, Batman is physically unable to fight Bane in a direct confrontation, had to use stealth to evade and/or sneak up on him, and knock him into a high voltage panel to electrocute him. In the end, he had to use his Remote Claw to restrain him and electrocute him again to put him down. In Arkham Asylum, that fight required Batman removing the Venom tubes to end the battle.
  • Grundy was was the same deal. Explosive gel had to be use to disorient him and stun him so Batman could land physical strikes.

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#133 Edited by AllHailSkeletor (780 posts) - - Show Bio

@static_shock: Croc was bigger yes but it was mostly because batman was fighting croc in the sewers where there was water which gave croc the advantage. That's why he had to run and trap him.

Bane he was able to fight. It doesn't matter if batman had to use equipment, he still was able to beat him every time even when he was just starting out. Cap and Bp both use their equipment to get the advantage so that entire argument is null. Plus as you said he removed the venom tubes, which was a fight when bane was in his prime. Batman able to dodge, harm, take him out using skill. It doesn't matter if he had to remove the tubes, the venom makes him extremely durable, but he removed them using agility and fighting skill. I don't know why you lowball all his fights.

Grundy was swinging giant metal balls and chains used to keep him trapped, at batman that where pure metal and easily weighed in the tons and even when hit shrugged it off but was able to dodge them pretty much entirely. He was also hitting grundy hard enough to harm him and punch through his chest. I also love how you completely ignore the part at the end of the fight where Grundy grabs Batman, punches a hole through the generator takes in electricity (which in turn starts electrocuting batman). But batman even though in the grasp of this giant monster who's (superhumanly stronger) breaks out, while being being electrocuted, and back flip kicks him. But hey that is what weak people can do.

Let's not get into the clayface fight where even though he used the the ice grenades still demonstrated his agility and swordsmanship.

Your also forgetting both cap and Bp utilize a vibranium shield and suit in almost all their fights but hey batman using gadgets is lack of skill. Why don't you lowball a little more huh?

Talk about ignoring the circumstance.

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#134 Posted by Renny (3249 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman is not on Panthers level. it doesn't matter which version you use. it's funny....the extremes people go to....just to say Batman wins.

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#135 Posted by Static Shock (53021 posts) - - Show Bio

Bane he was able to fight. It doesn't matter if batman had to use equipment, he still was able to beat him every time even when he was just starting out. Cap and Bp both use their equipment to get the advantage so that entire argument is null. Plus as you said he removed the venom tubes, which was a fight when bane was in his prime. Batman able to dodge, harm, take him out using skill. It doesn't matter if he had to remove the tubes, the venom makes him extremely durable, but he removed them using agility and fighting skill. I don't know why you lowball all his fights.

Equipment matters. You made it seem like Batman was able to fight him with physicals and fighting skills only, when that's not the case. You should either play Origins again or look up the fights and watch the following cutscenes. Batman didn't beat Bane until the end of their last encounter, when Bane doped himself up on TN-1. Even then, Batman couldn't fight him straight up after that. Prior to that, Batman lost to Bane in their first fight on the roof, and had to use his equipment to stand a chance in the second fight. You can literally go to Youtube and look this stuff up.

It's not called "lowballing." It's called being objective and understanding the context of the fights. You left out important details to make Batman look better than he is. Batman had to use his equipment, plus his fighting skills, to offset to the gap in physical capabilities between himself and the guys you mentioned.

Captain America and Black Panther are irrelevant to what we're talking about.

I also love how you completely ignore the part at the end of the fight where Grundy grabs Batman, punches a hole through the generator takes in electricity (which in turn starts electrocuting batman).

Just like you ignored the fact that Batman had to use his explosive gel for the most of the fight in order to stun and disorient Grundy so he can be able to hurt him with physical strikes. Plus, Grundy's ribcage was exposed when Penguin electrocuted him after the first phase of the battle, obliterating the flesh and muscle that reinforced it and leaving the bones. There was nothing but organs underneath, which is usually soft, anyway. Hence, why Batman was able to "punch through his chest." That's not a strength feat. Once again, that fight wasn't purely physical.

As for shrugging off physical attacks from stronger characters, the Batsuit goes through numerous upgrades throughout the game as you level him up, increasing Batman's resistance to physical damage. So, he shrugging off those attacks because of the protection his Batsuit is offering him, not because of his own physical durability. It's the same in Arkham Origins, too (with Batman shrugging off TN-1 Bane's punches and then being punched through a brick wall).

Your also forgetting both cap and Bp utilize a vibranium shield and suit in almost all their fights but hey batman using gadgets is lack of skill. Why don't you lowball a little more huh?

Irrelevant. Why don't you do something about your reading comprehension? No one said it was a lack of skill. So please, read and understand exactly what I'm saying, rather than reading what I'm saying to mean something else.

We were initially talking about Deathstroke's physical strength in comparison to Batman's, and you brought up Batman's ability to beat other stronger characters like Batman fought them them with strength alone. You acted like Batman's fights with Grundy and Bane were all purely physical like Batman's fight with Deathstroke, when they weren't. Batman used nothing but fighting skills against Deathstroke (who is supposed to be stronger than Batman, but apparently, not by much), but had to use fighting skills, weapons and gadgets while fighting Grundy and Bane because they significantly outclassed Batman in strength. Do you understand now? The fact that he had to use equipment against them is a clear indication of the strength gap between himself and Grundy and Bane.

Talk about ignoring the circumstance.

Because that was what you did, making me question if you've even played the games we're talking about.

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#136 Posted by AllHailSkeletor (780 posts) - - Show Bio

@static_shock: I'm going to point out your lowballing in all these ok.

Skills dn agility was still used in his fight. He didn't lose to bane just merely had to get away. He did eventually beat bane and your not fully grasping how strong and durable is/gets whens he on venom. (Your first lowball)

Plus you can't use origins as Batmans full potential It's literally his first night being batman. That's like using flashes first moment of discovering the speed force as his full power (your second lowball). If anything it's more impressive since batman is less experienced and defects croc, bane, Deathstroke, and copper head while poisoned. Later in the games he deals with bane like its nothing.

Did you did just say using fighting skill is a negative argument? Your not that dense are you? Using fighting skill to overcome strength is one of the beat feats a character could have.

Cap and Bp have everything to do with this since its a thread about one of them. Plus it shows that most characters will use some sort of equipment.

I never once ignored the fact he used grenades to stun him. I merely pointed out that batman hits hard enough to hurt him. He stuns him so he won't move. (Third lowball)

Your again ignoring batman breaking from his grip while being electrocuted. And him dodging the chain ball and shock waves. Plus you also forgot that completely rips out grundy be cage with his bare hands to get to the heart. Grundy is a mutated super human so that alone is impressive. You must have not played these games. (Forth lowball)

The batsuit in origins was only the first prototype and not the best of the suits. Plus it was never designed for villains like bane. And even if it's not upgraded he can still withstand blows from the characters. Again your using origins as his peak performance when it's anything but. (Fifth lowball)

My comprehension is good. Yours is the one that needs fine tuning. This is a thread about do vs bats and you arguing how someone with less strength (supposedly) will fight and beat something with stronger strength. Which isoncere skill comes into play.

Never once EVER did I say that batman beats these characters using g strength alone. I said some he beats with skill alone (Deathstroke, Copperhead, Ra's All Ghul, etc). I simply stated that batman has shown a good amount of strength through games, alot which been in boss fights. I said that during fights like bane and grundy batman has USED strength during those fights, not solely relied on them. LIKE WHEN BATMAN BROKE FROM GRUNDY'S GRIP WHILE BEING ELECTROCUTED. So don't put words in my mouth.

My god I can't believe your saying I need to use better reading and comprehension whem clearly you must have misplaced your glasses or something.

I've played all of those games but now it seems like you haven't since you only talk about parts where batman used equipment, and can't remember and DS gameplay.

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#137 Edited by LlehDevil (7259 posts) - - Show Bio

@static_shock: If Black Panther could have been put down by electricity, wouldn't Team Cap have thought of that already to put him down like that? Maybe I'm just looking for ways for T'Challa to win, or perhaps Team Cap overlooked that part. xD

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#138 Posted by TheSaiyanMan (1745 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman could beat many MCU Black Panther.

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#139 Edited by Static Shock (53021 posts) - - Show Bio

@static_shock: I'm going to point out your lowballing in all these ok.

Be my guest. Also, make sure you ask someone to read it. Because I didn't read the rest of your post.

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#140 Posted by Static Shock (53021 posts) - - Show Bio

@static_shock: If Black Panther could have been put down by electricity, wouldn't Team Cap have thought of that already to put him down like that? Maybe I'm just looking for ways for T'Challa to win, or perhaps Team Cap overlooked that part. xD

Maybe they didn't know at first.

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#142 Posted by TheCapedDetective (557 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman. His gadgets would do a lot for him.

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#143 Posted by Static Shock (53021 posts) - - Show Bio

@static_shock: Brutality!!! AllHaikSkeletor wins!

You must not accomplish much if you believe a debate over the Internet is a crowning achievement.

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#144 Posted by AllHailSkeletor (780 posts) - - Show Bio

@static_shock: Ya because that's TOTALLY what I implied. Its ths greatest thing I ever done. Might print this out and frame it.

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#145 Posted by Static Shock (53021 posts) - - Show Bio
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#146 Posted by AllHailSkeletor (780 posts) - - Show Bio

@static_shock: Well we all can't be cool like you at win the oldest virgin award.

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#147 Posted by Static Shock (53021 posts) - - Show Bio

@static_shock: Well we all can't be cool like you at win the oldest virgin award.

Relax. You said that it was your greatest achievement, and I agreed with you. There's no need to project any of your other achievements or insecurities on me.

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#150 Posted by AllHailSkeletor (780 posts) - - Show Bio

@static_shock: Why do I need to relax when in already calm? Why do people who are losing an argument resort to telling the other relax. And last question, how am I insecure when I'm better when you?