Bane he was able to fight. It doesn't matter if batman had to use equipment, he still was able to beat him every time even when he was just starting out. Cap and Bp both use their equipment to get the advantage so that entire argument is null. Plus as you said he removed the venom tubes, which was a fight when bane was in his prime. Batman able to dodge, harm, take him out using skill. It doesn't matter if he had to remove the tubes, the venom makes him extremely durable, but he removed them using agility and fighting skill. I don't know why you lowball all his fights.
Equipment matters. You made it seem like Batman was able to fight him with physicals and fighting skills only, when that's not the case. You should either play Origins again or look up the fights and watch the following cutscenes. Batman didn't beat Bane until the end of their last encounter, when Bane doped himself up on TN-1. Even then, Batman couldn't fight him straight up after that. Prior to that, Batman lost to Bane in their first fight on the roof, and had to use his equipment to stand a chance in the second fight. You can literally go to Youtube and look this stuff up.
It's not called "lowballing." It's called being objective and understanding the context of the fights. You left out important details to make Batman look better than he is. Batman had to use his equipment, plus his fighting skills, to offset to the gap in physical capabilities between himself and the guys you mentioned.
Captain America and Black Panther are irrelevant to what we're talking about.
I also love how you completely ignore the part at the end of the fight where Grundy grabs Batman, punches a hole through the generator takes in electricity (which in turn starts electrocuting batman).
Just like you ignored the fact that Batman had to use his explosive gel for the most of the fight in order to stun and disorient Grundy so he can be able to hurt him with physical strikes. Plus, Grundy's ribcage was exposed when Penguin electrocuted him after the first phase of the battle, obliterating the flesh and muscle that reinforced it and leaving the bones. There was nothing but organs underneath, which is usually soft, anyway. Hence, why Batman was able to "punch through his chest." That's not a strength feat. Once again, that fight wasn't purely physical.
As for shrugging off physical attacks from stronger characters, the Batsuit goes through numerous upgrades throughout the game as you level him up, increasing Batman's resistance to physical damage. So, he shrugging off those attacks because of the protection his Batsuit is offering him, not because of his own physical durability. It's the same in Arkham Origins, too (with Batman shrugging off TN-1 Bane's punches and then being punched through a brick wall).
Your also forgetting both cap and Bp utilize a vibranium shield and suit in almost all their fights but hey batman using gadgets is lack of skill. Why don't you lowball a little more huh?
Irrelevant. Why don't you do something about your reading comprehension? No one said it was a lack of skill. So please, read and understand exactly what I'm saying, rather than reading what I'm saying to mean something else.
We were initially talking about Deathstroke's physical strength in comparison to Batman's, and you brought up Batman's ability to beat other stronger characters like Batman fought them them with strength alone. You acted like Batman's fights with Grundy and Bane were all purely physical like Batman's fight with Deathstroke, when they weren't. Batman used nothing but fighting skills against Deathstroke (who is supposed to be stronger than Batman, but apparently, not by much), but had to use fighting skills, weapons and gadgets while fighting Grundy and Bane because they significantly outclassed Batman in strength. Do you understand now? The fact that he had to use equipment against them is a clear indication of the strength gap between himself and Grundy and Bane.
Talk about ignoring the circumstance.
Because that was what you did, making me question if you've even played the games we're talking about.
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