MCU BATTLE- Hela Vs Thanos

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#1  Edited By LittleFlamingo

I noticed in infinity war Thanos didn't have any incredible feats that puts him above Hela. stomping the Hulk wasn't incredibly impressive compared to Hela who was easily obliterating Thor even with his increased power, who is at Hulks level or maybe above. I still believe Hela stomps Thanos without Infinity stones, what does everyone think?

All fights take place on Asgard, in an open area.

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Round 1- Hela Vs Thanos (No Infinity stones)

Round 2- Hela Vs Thanos (Power stone)

Round 3- Hela Vs Thanos (Space Stone, Power stone,Soul stone)

Bonus round- Hela, her giant wolf, and her undead army Vs Thanos (No infinity stones) and the black order

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could go both ways in Round 1 the rest is for Thanos

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Thanos was kinda underwhelming. He had trouble with a team of low tiers, got soloed by Thor, and was not tactical with the infinity gauntlet at all.

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Thanos was underwhelming, yes, but he stoll went fisticuffs with Hulk and still destroyed him within seconds.

I'd say he would beat Hela even without it, and so, should beat her in every single round.

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#6  Edited By Butan

Hela wins round 1, rest of them go to Thanos.

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1 - Hela

2 - Could go either way

3 - Thanos

4 - Hela

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Does the Black Order include that army of whatever those were in Wakanda?

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Thanos all rounds

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Thanos. People seem to forget that Thanos also beat Thor. Beating Thor isn't something that puts Hela ahead of Thanos. Assuming Thor and Hulk are rough equals, Thanos stomped Hulk harder than Hela beat Thor.

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Does the Black Order include that army of whatever those were in Wakanda?

No. His elite henchmen only

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#12  Edited By LittleFlamingo

I'd also like everyone to note I changed the OP to make the battle in Asgard instead of Earth, since Hela is stronger there.

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@littleflamingo: Maybe edit the OP again considering we haven’t really seen Thanos do anything before getting the stones. And I don’t recall him ever specifically using the soul stone for anything.

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Hela

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Thanos

If it's just the Black Order than Hela, if it's Thanos's entire army then he wins.

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Thanos all rounds. It was established that he is the most powerful being in the MCU.

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R1 : Hela

R2 : Thanos

R3 : Spite. Thanos

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#17  Edited By STARK_Industries

R1:Hard to say, Thanos stomped hulk so hard to the point that he afraid to get out for the rest of the movie. But then again Hela toyed with Thor (who also stomp Hulk) and was able to fight a fully powered Surtur while Thanos had problem with Iron Man.

I'd said Hela wins 6/10, because In the end Thanos were nearly killed by Thor's new hammer and easily pierced by Gamora's blade (Assuming illusion Thanos had the same durability as the real one)

R2:Thanos, if he did use the gems.

R3: Thanos stomps

R4: Only black order, Hela wins. With the outraiders could go either way.

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@rl4: He did beat hulk down without the stone. In the MCU when the stone is used it glows with their respective colour

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Rd 1: Hela

Rd 2: Thanos

Rd 3: Thanos

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1. Hela

2. Hela

3. Thanos

4. Hela

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Eh, probably Thanos, although I'm not sure how he'd fare without any gems or just two or three.

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Hela

Hela

Thanos

Thanos

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@allstarsuperman: He scared the Hulk enough after beating him to not transform again, since when has Dr.Strange become a low tier and that Stark was way more than what we have previously seen, also Thanos even said you should have gone for the head.

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Round 1- Hela Vs Thanos (No Infinity stones) This round can be close but Thanos treated Hulk like a child, beat him down, in seconds, so bad that Hulk was afraid to come back out the rest of the movie. Hela was good, but not that good.

Round 2- Hela Vs Thanos (Power stone) This round isn't close. Thanos used the power stone to bust a moon.

Round 3- Hela Vs Thanos (Space Stone, Power stone,Soul stone) Again not close.

Bonus round- Hela, her giant wolf, and her undead army Vs Thanos (No infinity stones) and the black order The army would be nothing but fodder. The only ones that matter are Hela and Fenrir. Fenrir would put up a great fight against the Black Order but would eventually be taken down then they could help Thanos if he needed it, though I doubt he would, against Hela.

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Round 1- Hela Vs Thanos (No Infinity stones)

Hela Wins just as Strong with Blades & Spikes & a Healing Factor

Round 2- Hela Vs Thanos (Power stone)

Thanos Stomps

Round 3- Hela Vs Thanos (Space Stone, Power stone,Soul stone)

Spite

Bonus round- Hela, her giant wolf, and her undead army Vs Thanos (No infinity stones) and the black order

Hela wins she kills Thanos while the Black Order are Busy fighting Fenris (who will be Hard to put Down) & the Undead Asgardians then she comes & Stomps them

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Hela takes round one, Thanos two and three.

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#27  Edited By ANTHP2000

I think Hela could have stomped the Hulk as bad as Thanos did with the power stone.

Gamora could hurt him by stabbing him too. She should be able to overwhelm him even in R2.

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Round 1 could go either way, the rest of the rounds go to Thanos easily.

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#30  Edited By thiccionary

She's practically unkillable as long as Asgard is intact. Hela wins round 1 and 4. Rounds 2 and 3 go to Thanos. He can use the power stone to destroy Asgard.

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Thanos all rounds. The only thing he was pierced by was Tony's new armor and Thor's Stormbreaker, which is a weapon capable of resisting the Infinity Stones. Tony's armor, after battling them relentlessly, drew one drop if blood. Thor was putting up a decent fight with Hela at the end of Thor Ragnorak. Thanos beat down both the Hulk and Thor effortlessly. Hela would be tough, but if he got in close he'd murder her. Thanos 6/10.

Round 2 and 3 go to Thanos.

Round 4 is incredibly close. But Thanos 5.5/10.

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If this fight were to happen on-screen, I have no doubt in my mind Thanos would win.

Seriously guys, you actually think if the fight was put in the movie that Hela would win ?? I highly doubt that.

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#33  Edited By thebusterblader

1 - Hela

2 - Idk, it's very unclear what difference does the power stone make. Is it constantly giving him a boost of power? If yes then Hela wins since he didn't seem THAT powerful during his fights. If not then I don't know.

3 - Thanos

4 - Hela and her army. Fenris can take out everyone on the Black Order except maybe Maw

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Round 1: I think Hela beats him. I don’t see why Thanos doesn’t get impaled here.

Round 2: Thanos

Round 3: Thanos

Bonus: Thanos and his Children

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People really seem to be underestimating Thanos's durability. The only two things he was cut by was Tony's Mark L Armor, which had nanobot blades constructed blades charged by repulsor energy. Even then the cut only drew "a drop of blood". This was after Thanos was tanking a constant beating from Doctor Strange, Spider Man in the Iron Spider suit, Drax, Iron Man, Mantis, Nebula and Peter Quill.

The second, far more effective time, was the lightning powered Thor enhanced by Stormbreaker. A weapon supposedly constructed to resist tge gems in a similar manor to the Gauntlet and made to specifically kill Thanos. He also was somewhat distracted and not wearing his armor when Thor hit him.

Those were the only two times he was ever pierced by anything. A less powerful Thor was doing moderately well against Hela. Thanos actually beat that same Thor off screen and defeating the Hulk so badly that the Hulk was afraid to come out. Add that to the fact that Thanos wasn't using the gems properly for most of the film, until the end, and you start to see that some of his feats without the gems are demonstrated throughout the film. His strength was incredible too. When he punched Black Panther, it was powerful enough to force all the energy in the suit to be released. He also tore the mind stone from Vision's vibranium head.

All and all Thanos should be more than fine if he gets close enough to grab Hela.

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Hela

Hela

Thanos

Thanos

Do you think Hela is stronger than Power stone that can destroy a planet?

Stupid.

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Round 1- Hela Vs Thanos (No Infinity stones)

Hela Wins just as Strong with Blades & Spikes & a Healing Factor

Round 2- Hela Vs Thanos (Power stone)

Thanos Stomps

Round 3- Hela Vs Thanos (Space Stone, Power stone,Soul stone)

Spite

Bonus round- Hela, her giant wolf, and her undead army Vs Thanos (No infinity stones) and the black order

Hela wins she kills Thanos while the Black Order are Busy fighting Fenris (who will be Hard to put Down) & the Undead Asgardians then she comes & Stomps them

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#39  Edited By ANTHP2000

@guest123:

When did Thanks destroy a planet with the power stone?

Raw power I just one of he reason one has a chance in combat.

Don't insult people cause they don't agree with you.

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@guest123:

When did Thanks destroy a planet with the power stone?

Raw power I just one of he reason one has a chance in combat.

Don't insult people cause they don't agree with you.

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@guest123:

Fair enough.

However, anytime the wielder of the stone fights using it, they do nothing other than boost their own stats or, at most, project small scale energy waves - look at both Thanos vs the Hulk and Ronan vs the Guardians - so as far as combat scenarios go, I don't see why this would suddenly change.

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Thanos and the Black Order overpowered Thor (Post-Ragnarok), but so did Hela, and she did so without any assistance. She would be the victor here.

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@anthp2000: Thanos had the power stone, but he never used it in his fight against Hulk. You can tell because whenever he used a stone it would light up. He also had to clutch his fist to activate the stone. Neither of those things happened when he fought the Hulk. Thanos used the power stone to crush a moon. I still don't see how people think Hela would beat Thanos without the stones.

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To be fair, we don't know if Thanos beat Thor one on one and we also don't know if he did it without the Power Stone

Evidence suggests unlike in his fight with Hulk, Thanos used the Power Stone to fight Thor since Thor had burns on his body (when Thanos put the stone against Thor's face it produced similar burns to the ones he already had)

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Thanos if he fights smart, but he'll probably come out looking like a pincushion.

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@theycallmebt: the lack of evidence does not always suggest the opposite to be true. We have no idea how Thanos attacked the ship. Remember, Thor, Loki, Valkryie, Korg, Heimdall were all defeated by the Black order and Thanos. We have no idea how we went about this. But we did see Thanos brutally beat down the Hulk (without the gems) and swat Thor like a fly, after holding him in submission via his head.

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@farkam: Thanos is at a disadvantage in two ways. Unlike the comics, he has no ranged attacks. He appears to know a little magic in relation to the time stone, but that's about it.

Otherwise, he has strength, durability and very likely intelligence on Hela. If he gets in close, her healing factor won't stop him from crushing her head into jelly. Her piercing factor would be troublesome, but his durability stood up very well in the film. The only time he was ever really damaged was by a weapon built to kill him.

On a side note, Thanos likely had a weapon in the original cut of the film. A massive double blade sword. We'll have to wait for the extended version to be released to see if it's ever included.

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#50  Edited By Trimmien

Hela

Hela

Close, but Hela

Thanos

Few notes:

Thanos, throughout the film, was pretty handily injured by petty characters/attacks- Gamora managed to bring him to his knees him with a simple knife (there's really no strategic reason or evidence for this to be fake/illusion) at two/three stones, Mantis managed to overpower him mentally at four stones (including soul), Cap managed to give him a good resistance for an unreasonable amount of time before Thanos could pass him (as did Scarlet Witch for even longer), Thor manages to mortally wounded the titan at full gauntlet (yes, with an ax specially designed for killing Titans, but without any special infinity stone resistance powers from the MCU- it's implied Thanos would've been immediately killed if Thor had "aimed better"), and other times. Need I go on?

Interestingly, the infinity stones are nerfed pretty badly under Thanos's possession; the power stone, previously shown to be capable of destroying entire planets in a matter of minutes or seconds, was, at its greatest, used by Thanos to break up a minuscule moon (small size is implied by proximity and small amount of debris that landed on the ground) into debris to be lowered down by gravity onto the planet, and even incapable of giving him a safe victory in his fight with Iron Man and Co. (Thanos definitely would have lost that battle if it weren't for Quill). The tesseract was hyped up as an immensely powerful object in the MCU's beginning, but Thanos doesn't use the space stone for much more than teleporting around and blocking concerningly close attacks. The reality stone, again, was hyped up in Dark World, but used once for one or two illusions. Thus, it seems that either Thanos 1. is afraid to use the stones to their fullest potential, only wanting them for his end goal (which definitely places him at a disadvantage), or 2. doesn't know how to properly use the stones' powers (which places him at an even worse disadvantage). MCU Thanos with the stones is by no means as powerful as comics Thanos with the stones, or even past characters with stones.

Interestingly, Odin in Ragnarok states that he was never able to actually defeat Hela-only imprison her. However, there is a substantial period of time (from Avengers to Dark World) under which the space stone is kept under Odin's control, but not once during that time did Odin try to use the infinity stone to defeat Hela. During Dark World, it's also revealed that there had been times in history in which Asgard had control of the reality stone- as such, it seems perfectly natural to deduce that Asgard has had its fair share of infinity stones (probably including the power stone- it's unknown who created the stylish chamber and or Quill retrieves the stone from in Gotg, and even before that, the stone has history) throughout Odin's rule. However, not once during any of these times did Odin think to use any of the infinity stones against Hela. Why? According to him, he was still never powerful enough to actually stop her. If an experienced god such as Odin couldn't use infinity stones to defeat Hela, how could an incompetent, egotistical McDonald's mascot?

Many people are bringing up Thanos's pummelling of Hulk and Thor in the beginning of IW without use of the stones. First, his victory over Thor (a Thor fatigued from his recent fight with Hela, I might add) was off screen- as such, we don't know how difficult his fight was, we don't for sure know whether or not he used the power stone (he most likely did, as evidenced by the burn scars pointed out by a previous commented), and we don't know whether or not we received aid from the Black Order (which, I've noticed, has been being underrated by previous posters- they're shown to be definitively more powerful than many primary villains of past MCU villains)- we can't conclusively say his victory over Thor, most likely with the power stone, was any more impressive than the numerous victories of Hela. Then, we have his fight with Hulk- many people ignore the full extent of this fight. For the first few moments, Hulk pummels Thanos pretty hard, until Thanos eventually overcomes him and wins decisively (a feat Thor was also capable of, we mustn't forget). Many people point out that, since the power stone didn't glow, Thanos clearly wasn't using it to beat Hulk. However, you can see the stone shining before Thanos begins his own spree, during which Thanos's fist, much less his stone, is barely visible Even then, there is no set rule for infinity stones having to glow upon their use- the time, space, and power stones, in Gotg, Dr Strange, and others, glowed always regardless of whether or not they were being used. Additionally, Hulk was not beaten so hard by Thanos as to cause his later refusal to come out in the movie- Banner is shown having troubles with this even in late Ragnarok, as exemplified upon Bruce's jump from an aircraft to an Asgardian bridge. After years of being only Hulk, it's only natural some problems would emerge with the relationship, regardless of Thanos.

Lastly, people are horribly underestimating Hela's powers and capabilities- here are some of her feats:

-could not be defeated by even Odin himself, could only be "contained" (as opposed to Thanos, who almost was on multiple occasions and is bound to be actually defeated in Avengers 3 and 4)

-Defeat required actual suicide/forfeit of entire world of Asgard (as opposed to Thanos, with whom Thanos saw a clear alternative to suicide)

-destroys Mjolnir like a toy immediately upon her release- this is at the point in the movie where her powers are the weakest, before she begins to draw vast amounts of power from Asgard, where the fight is set

-demonstrates an unbeatable agility on multiple occasions (most notably in her mass fights and dodges from Loki's knives) as opposed to Thanos, who required the space stone to defend himself from Loki.

-Remember that scene where Hela defeats an entire elite trained Asgardian army and multiple Asgardian aircraft without any aid, injuries, or even effort? (https://youtu.be/Kuh2DE-vEso note that this also is near the movie's beginning, where she is considerably weaker than she is at the movie's end) Compare that to Thanos, who, even with the power stone and the immensely powerful Black Order in his destruction of an already damaged, fatigued ship primarily filled with inexperienced civilians, didn't have Heimdall and Banner, two characters completely unnecessary to their goals, dead before Infinity War's beginning

-stood her own against Surtur in actual Ragnarok

-A scene in which Hela is perusing Odin's treasures shows her seeing the tesseract and ultimately ignoring it, making only the remark of, "that's not bad." Her ignoring of the stone shows that not only is she powerful enough without the aid of infinity stones, without which Thanos is not shown to have any notable powers or abilities, but that infinity stones are of little use or worth to her- she is simply so powerful by Asgard alone that infinity stones (again, remember that they are nerfed pretty badly in the MCU) don't hold much against her

Lastly, it's important to note that, ultimately, Thanos will be his own doom if nobody else nails his coffin. A "you should've gone for the head" to Hela won't result in a worried look and moment of terror; Hela won't hesitate for a moment in sending a second spike through the titan's brain.