- Location: Arrow Base.
- No prep time.
- Win via Death.
- Both are armed with a sword.
- Both are in katana.
- Who wins?
MCU Bakuto vs CW China White
Bakuto in a borderline stomp.
China White was relative to S1 Hood. Their first fight ended with her having him on the floor and the police intervening, and their second fight ended with him having her on the floor and holding her up with an arrow. Clearly, there wasn't much of a skill gap between them. White's best feat though is in the flashbacks when she beat Katana at her own game (katanas) just to prove that she could.
Bakuto is not relative to Danny. When Bakuto had a sword and Danny was unarmed, he was a threat, in other words Danny needed to be placed at a disadvantage for Bakuto to keep up, but on equal ground Bakuto was not a real challenge. China White is a genuine rival to Arrow while they both have weapons.
Bakuto in a borderline stomp.
China White was relative to S1 Hood. Their first fight ended with her having him on the floor and the police intervening, and their second fight ended with him having her on the floor and holding her up with an arrow. Clearly, there wasn't much of a skill gap between them. White's best feat though is in the flashbacks when she beat Katana at her own game (katanas) just to prove that she could.
Bakuto is not relative to Danny. When Bakuto had a sword and Danny was unarmed, he was a threat, in other words Danny needed to be placed at a disadvantage for Bakuto to keep up, but on equal ground Bakuto was not a real challenge. China White is a genuine rival to Arrow while they both have weapons.
There's also the tie in comic fight where he straight up beats her
Also I'd argue that Danny's better than S1 Arrow anyway (his office fight is way better than S1 Arrow's arguably best showing of the Hallway fight)
@jashro44: Why?
Bakuto in a borderline stomp.
China White was relative to S1 Hood. Their first fight ended with her having him on the floor and the police intervening, and their second fight ended with him having her on the floor and holding her up with an arrow. Clearly, there wasn't much of a skill gap between them. White's best feat though is in the flashbacks when she beat Katana at her own game (katanas) just to prove that she could.
Bakuto is not relative to Danny. When Bakuto had a sword and Danny was unarmed, he was a threat, in other words Danny needed to be placed at a disadvantage for Bakuto to keep up, but on equal ground Bakuto was not a real challenge. China White is a genuine rival to Arrow while they both have weapons.
There's also the tie in comic fight where he straight up beats her
Also I'd argue that Danny's better than S1 Arrow anyway (his office fight is way better than S1 Arrow's arguably best showing of the Hallway fight)
I don't really care for tie-in comics, besides Season 2.5 because that was made to be indisputably canon. I also don't approve of applying later feats to earlier incarnations of the characters. China White is relative only to the Oliver who she fought, and so is Bakuto to Danny. I don't get the hype around the office fight anyway, I think him and Davos taking on the training compound was way more impressive. Namely because Danny actually succeeded in that scene whereas in the office he lost.
Bakuto in a borderline stomp.
China White was relative to S1 Hood. Their first fight ended with her having him on the floor and the police intervening, and their second fight ended with him having her on the floor and holding her up with an arrow. Clearly, there wasn't much of a skill gap between them. White's best feat though is in the flashbacks when she beat Katana at her own game (katanas) just to prove that she could.
Bakuto is not relative to Danny. When Bakuto had a sword and Danny was unarmed, he was a threat, in other words Danny needed to be placed at a disadvantage for Bakuto to keep up, but on equal ground Bakuto was not a real challenge. China White is a genuine rival to Arrow while they both have weapons.
There's also the tie in comic fight where he straight up beats her
Also I'd argue that Danny's better than S1 Arrow anyway (his office fight is way better than S1 Arrow's arguably best showing of the Hallway fight)
I don't really care for tie-in comics, besides Season 2.5 because that was made to be indisputably canon. I also don't approve of applying later feats to earlier incarnations of the characters. China White is relative only to the Oliver who she fought, and so is Bakuto to Danny. I don't get the hype around the office fight anyway, I think him and Davos taking on the training compound was way more impressive. Namely because Danny actually succeeded in that scene whereas in the office he lost.
Well it still happened, and it's consistent with China needing to recruit Bronze Tiger to help deal with Arrow in S2.
There's not really any reason to think Danny got significantly better between IF and Defenders other than a bit of natural progression from experience, his feats are at the same level.
In the first wave he took down 12 guys all attacking at once, without getting tagged a single time. After hyping Arrow's hallway fight, how is it not impressive? Especially since we know the Hand has more of a martial arts background than random thugs/mercenaries (I forget who exactly it was).
Yeah the compound fight's impressive too, the office fight is just significantly clearer (compound fight's all shadowed and stuff)
Bakuto in a borderline stomp.
China White was relative to S1 Hood. Their first fight ended with her having him on the floor and the police intervening, and their second fight ended with him having her on the floor and holding her up with an arrow. Clearly, there wasn't much of a skill gap between them. White's best feat though is in the flashbacks when she beat Katana at her own game (katanas) just to prove that she could.
Bakuto is not relative to Danny. When Bakuto had a sword and Danny was unarmed, he was a threat, in other words Danny needed to be placed at a disadvantage for Bakuto to keep up, but on equal ground Bakuto was not a real challenge. China White is a genuine rival to Arrow while they both have weapons.
There's also the tie in comic fight where he straight up beats her
Also I'd argue that Danny's better than S1 Arrow anyway (his office fight is way better than S1 Arrow's arguably best showing of the Hallway fight)
I don't really care for tie-in comics, besides Season 2.5 because that was made to be indisputably canon. I also don't approve of applying later feats to earlier incarnations of the characters. China White is relative only to the Oliver who she fought, and so is Bakuto to Danny. I don't get the hype around the office fight anyway, I think him and Davos taking on the training compound was way more impressive. Namely because Danny actually succeeded in that scene whereas in the office he lost.
He didn't lose, when Luke comes in, Danny immediately throws the guys off himself without Luke's aid. He wasn't struggling with them, he was struggling to summon the Iron Fist.
@jashro44: Why?
Bakuto probably had enhanced physicals in defenders and I think he is more skilled considering his showings with Colleen.
Bakuto in a borderline stomp.
China White was relative to S1 Hood. Their first fight ended with her having him on the floor and the police intervening, and their second fight ended with him having her on the floor and holding her up with an arrow. Clearly, there wasn't much of a skill gap between them. White's best feat though is in the flashbacks when she beat Katana at her own game (katanas) just to prove that she could.
Bakuto is not relative to Danny. When Bakuto had a sword and Danny was unarmed, he was a threat, in other words Danny needed to be placed at a disadvantage for Bakuto to keep up, but on equal ground Bakuto was not a real challenge. China White is a genuine rival to Arrow while they both have weapons.
There's also the tie in comic fight where he straight up beats her
Also I'd argue that Danny's better than S1 Arrow anyway (his office fight is way better than S1 Arrow's arguably best showing of the Hallway fight)
I don't really care for tie-in comics, besides Season 2.5 because that was made to be indisputably canon. I also don't approve of applying later feats to earlier incarnations of the characters. China White is relative only to the Oliver who she fought, and so is Bakuto to Danny. I don't get the hype around the office fight anyway, I think him and Davos taking on the training compound was way more impressive. Namely because Danny actually succeeded in that scene whereas in the office he lost.
He didn't lose, when Luke comes in, Danny immediately throws the guys off himself without Luke's aid. He wasn't struggling with them, he was struggling to summon the Iron Fist.
Somehow I've been missing that, but yeah, going back that's clearly what he's trying to do.
Well it still happened, and it's consistent with China needing to recruit Bronze Tiger to help deal with Arrow in S2.
There's not really any reason to think Danny got significantly better between IF and Defenders other than a bit of natural progression from experience, his feats are at the same level.
In the first wave he took down 12 guys all attacking at once, without getting tagged a single time. After hyping Arrow's hallway fight, how is it not impressive? Especially since we know the Hand has more of a martial arts background than random thugs/mercenaries (I forget who exactly it was).
Yeah the compound fight's impressive too, the office fight is just significantly clearer (compound fight's all shadowed and stuff)
Then what is the limit to retroactively applying later feats to earlier versions of the character? Can I apply Oliver neutralizing all of Deathstroke's assassins by himself midway through season 2 to the Oliver who China White beat? Because that's just as impressive if not greater than Danny's office fight.
Either way, can you explain why you think the office fight is more impressive than the hallway fight? Watching them both back-to-back, they're pretty similar, the biggest difference is that Oliver had next to no difficulty succeeding.
Danny started with a crowd on the left and a crowd on the right, but after jumping over the table, the crowd on the left all funneled on the same side to attack him from one direction. Oliver meanwhile was in a hallway thus restricting the numbers from ganging up on him as well. Neither character was mobbed, Danny was never attacked from any direction other than right in front of him, nobody came at him from the sides or from behind. The scenarios are pretty much identical after Danny jumps over the table, Oliver and Danny are pretty much doing the exact same thing.
Being genuine here, I don't see a difference between these two scenarios. The only difference is in the results; Oliver succeeded, downright effortlessly. Danny gave it his all but was slowly overwhelmed and lost.
Bakuto in a borderline stomp.
China White was relative to S1 Hood. Their first fight ended with her having him on the floor and the police intervening, and their second fight ended with him having her on the floor and holding her up with an arrow. Clearly, there wasn't much of a skill gap between them. White's best feat though is in the flashbacks when she beat Katana at her own game (katanas) just to prove that she could.
Bakuto is not relative to Danny. When Bakuto had a sword and Danny was unarmed, he was a threat, in other words Danny needed to be placed at a disadvantage for Bakuto to keep up, but on equal ground Bakuto was not a real challenge. China White is a genuine rival to Arrow while they both have weapons.
There's also the tie in comic fight where he straight up beats her
Also I'd argue that Danny's better than S1 Arrow anyway (his office fight is way better than S1 Arrow's arguably best showing of the Hallway fight)
I don't really care for tie-in comics, besides Season 2.5 because that was made to be indisputably canon. I also don't approve of applying later feats to earlier incarnations of the characters. China White is relative only to the Oliver who she fought, and so is Bakuto to Danny. I don't get the hype around the office fight anyway, I think him and Davos taking on the training compound was way more impressive. Namely because Danny actually succeeded in that scene whereas in the office he lost.
He didn't lose, when Luke comes in, Danny immediately throws the guys off himself without Luke's aid. He wasn't struggling with them, he was struggling to summon the Iron Fist.
Somehow I've been missing that, but yeah, going back that's clearly what he's trying to do.
But Luke actually took the guy out, preventing him from immediately coming back. Danny was being pinned by three people, all he did was throw off one of them. If Luke wasn't there, guess what would have happened? The guy would have stumbled backwards, then immediately rejoined the pin as soon as he recovered. Danny needed Luke to get rid of at least one of them, then he somehow escaped the remaining two by himself off-screen. Why would he struggle to summon the Iron Fist if he could have escaped without it? He was struggling to summon it, because he needed it!
Well it still happened, and it's consistent with China needing to recruit Bronze Tiger to help deal with Arrow in S2.
There's not really any reason to think Danny got significantly better between IF and Defenders other than a bit of natural progression from experience, his feats are at the same level.
In the first wave he took down 12 guys all attacking at once, without getting tagged a single time. After hyping Arrow's hallway fight, how is it not impressive? Especially since we know the Hand has more of a martial arts background than random thugs/mercenaries (I forget who exactly it was).
Yeah the compound fight's impressive too, the office fight is just significantly clearer (compound fight's all shadowed and stuff)
Then what is the limit to retroactively applying later feats to earlier versions of the character? Can I apply Oliver neutralizing all of Deathstroke's assassins by himself midway through season 2 to the Oliver who China White beat? Because that's just as impressive if not greater than Danny's office fight.
Either way, can you explain why you think the office fight is more impressive than the hallway fight? Watching them both back-to-back, they're pretty similar, the biggest difference is that Oliver had next to no difficulty succeeding.
Danny started with a crowd on the left and a crowd on the right, but after jumping over the table, the crowd on the left all funneled on the same side to attack him from one direction. Oliver meanwhile was in a hallway thus restricting the numbers from ganging up on him as well. Neither character was mobbed, Danny was never attacked from any direction other than right in front of him, nobody came at him from the sides or from behind. The scenarios are pretty much identical after Danny jumps over the table, Oliver and Danny are pretty much doing the exact same thing.
Being genuine here, I don't see a difference between these two scenarios. The only difference is in the results; Oliver succeeded, downright effortlessly. Danny gave it his all but was slowly overwhelmed and lost.
The one where he tried to rescue Thea? I never saw that as being all that different from the Hallway fight.
Danny was ganged up on more than Ollie. With Ollie they mostly just appear one or two at a time, up until the very end when he starts using his bow and arrows.
Danny did eventually get pinned down, but I'm addressing the first dozen fighters he faced in particular: he takes them all down as effortlessly as Arrow did
And yes, he did get attacked from behind, or at least people tried to attack him from behind. I mean, saying no one ever came at him from any different direction would imply he was facing the same direction the entire fight, which isn't true.
As for being overwhelmed, yeah they were smart enough to dogpile him, at which point he was working on summoning the Iron Fist, but then Luke showed up. Danny then got all the guys off of him on his own, with admittedly a bit of help from Luke finishing off one of the guys he knocked away, but he got rid of the other two so quickly that I doubt it made that big of a difference. Summoning the Iron Fist would've made it easier, plus it allows for Luke's dramatic entrance
Bakuto in a borderline stomp.
China White was relative to S1 Hood. Their first fight ended with her having him on the floor and the police intervening, and their second fight ended with him having her on the floor and holding her up with an arrow. Clearly, there wasn't much of a skill gap between them. White's best feat though is in the flashbacks when she beat Katana at her own game (katanas) just to prove that she could.
Bakuto is not relative to Danny. When Bakuto had a sword and Danny was unarmed, he was a threat, in other words Danny needed to be placed at a disadvantage for Bakuto to keep up, but on equal ground Bakuto was not a real challenge. China White is a genuine rival to Arrow while they both have weapons.
There's also the tie in comic fight where he straight up beats her
Also I'd argue that Danny's better than S1 Arrow anyway (his office fight is way better than S1 Arrow's arguably best showing of the Hallway fight)
I don't really care for tie-in comics, besides Season 2.5 because that was made to be indisputably canon. I also don't approve of applying later feats to earlier incarnations of the characters. China White is relative only to the Oliver who she fought, and so is Bakuto to Danny. I don't get the hype around the office fight anyway, I think him and Davos taking on the training compound was way more impressive. Namely because Danny actually succeeded in that scene whereas in the office he lost.
He didn't lose, when Luke comes in, Danny immediately throws the guys off himself without Luke's aid. He wasn't struggling with them, he was struggling to summon the Iron Fist.
Somehow I've been missing that, but yeah, going back that's clearly what he's trying to do.
But Luke actually took the guy out, preventing him from immediately coming back. Danny was being pinned by three people, all he did was throw off one of them. If Luke wasn't there, guess what would have happened? The guy would have stumbled backwards, then immediately rejoined the pin as soon as he recovered. Danny needed Luke to get rid of at least one of them, then he somehow escaped the remaining two by himself off-screen.
The fact that Danny threw that guy shows that he wasn't pinned in the first place. The fact that in a couple of seconds he was completely free from the other three (there were three) without so much as a sweat speaks volumes. By the time that guy stumbled back, Danny would have already been freeing himself.
Also, you didn't note that all of these guys are trained Hand members in your earlier post, Oliver was fighting street thugs and druggies and used his bow as a melee weapon and his bow/arrow for ranged attacks in the fight.
Well it still happened, and it's consistent with China needing to recruit Bronze Tiger to help deal with Arrow in S2.
There's not really any reason to think Danny got significantly better between IF and Defenders other than a bit of natural progression from experience, his feats are at the same level.
In the first wave he took down 12 guys all attacking at once, without getting tagged a single time. After hyping Arrow's hallway fight, how is it not impressive? Especially since we know the Hand has more of a martial arts background than random thugs/mercenaries (I forget who exactly it was).
Yeah the compound fight's impressive too, the office fight is just significantly clearer (compound fight's all shadowed and stuff)
Then what is the limit to retroactively applying later feats to earlier versions of the character? Can I apply Oliver neutralizing all of Deathstroke's assassins by himself midway through season 2 to the Oliver who China White beat? Because that's just as impressive if not greater than Danny's office fight.
Either way, can you explain why you think the office fight is more impressive than the hallway fight? Watching them both back-to-back, they're pretty similar, the biggest difference is that Oliver had next to no difficulty succeeding.
Danny started with a crowd on the left and a crowd on the right, but after jumping over the table, the crowd on the left all funneled on the same side to attack him from one direction. Oliver meanwhile was in a hallway thus restricting the numbers from ganging up on him as well. Neither character was mobbed, Danny was never attacked from any direction other than right in front of him, nobody came at him from the sides or from behind. The scenarios are pretty much identical after Danny jumps over the table, Oliver and Danny are pretty much doing the exact same thing.
Being genuine here, I don't see a difference between these two scenarios. The only difference is in the results; Oliver succeeded, downright effortlessly. Danny gave it his all but was slowly overwhelmed and lost.
The one where he tried to rescue Thea? I never saw that as being all that different from the Hallway fight.
Danny was ganged up on more than Ollie. With Ollie they mostly just appear one or two at a time, up until the very end when he starts using his bow and arrows.
Danny did eventually get pinned down, but I'm addressing the first dozen fighters he faced in particular: he takes them all down as effortlessly as Arrow did
And yes, he did get attacked from behind, or at least people tried to attack him from behind. I mean, saying no one ever came at him from any different direction would imply he was facing the same direction the entire fight, which isn't true.
As for being overwhelmed, yeah they were smart enough to dogpile him, at which point he was working on summoning the Iron Fist, but then Luke showed up. Danny then got all the guys off of him on his own, with admittedly a bit of help from Luke finishing off one of the guys he knocked away, but he got rid of the other two so quickly that I doubt it made that big of a difference. Summoning the Iron Fist would've made it easier, plus it allows for Luke's dramatic entrance
Also, just on the note of retroactively applying feats, Ollie only sorta lost to China in like episode 2, when he was just starting out. Later on, all showings indicate she's not a match for him, and that's closer the time he gets his hallway feats iirc. Plus by scaling China's only around Nyssa level, and we see that Nyssa's clearly not a match for S2 Ollie.
@jashro44: Agreed. It seems Hand ninja are stronger after "death."
China has humiliated Katana at her own game, the same Katana who stalemated Nyssa. That puts China White above Nyssa. She also fought toe to toe with Oliver in Season 5, who is leagues above Bakuto.
China has humiliated Katana at her own game, the same Katana who stalemated Nyssa. That puts China White above Nyssa. She also fought toe to toe with Oliver in Season 5, who is leagues above Bakuto.
She fought Katana and apparently beat her off screen, that's not the same as humiliating her. Technically we don't even know the circumstances of Katana's loss.
China lost pretty decisively to S5 Ollie
China has humiliated Katana at her own game, the same Katana who stalemated Nyssa. That puts China White above Nyssa. She also fought toe to toe with Oliver in Season 5, who is leagues above Bakuto.
She fought Katana and apparently beat her off screen, that's not the same as humiliating her. Technically we don't even know the circumstances of Katana's loss.
China lost pretty decisively to S5 Ollie
What was Tatsu's best feat in the flashbacks? I can't remember.
China has humiliated Katana at her own game, the same Katana who stalemated Nyssa. That puts China White above Nyssa. She also fought toe to toe with Oliver in Season 5, who is leagues above Bakuto.
She fought Katana and apparently beat her off screen, that's not the same as humiliating her. Technically we don't even know the circumstances of Katana's loss.
China lost pretty decisively to S5 Ollie
What was Tatsu's best feat? I can't remember.
Being dead even with Nyssa
China has humiliated Katana at her own game, the same Katana who stalemated Nyssa. That puts China White above Nyssa. She also fought toe to toe with Oliver in Season 5, who is leagues above Bakuto.
She fought Katana and apparently beat her off screen, that's not the same as humiliating her. Technically we don't even know the circumstances of Katana's loss.
China lost pretty decisively to S5 Ollie
What was Tatsu's best feat? I can't remember.
Being dead even with Nyssa
I edited my post, I meant at the time of the flashbacks, when she fought CW.
@rogueshadow: fighting china was her only flashback feat IIRC
China has humiliated Katana at her own game, the same Katana who stalemated Nyssa. That puts China White above Nyssa. She also fought toe to toe with Oliver in Season 5, who is leagues above Bakuto.
She fought Katana and apparently beat her off screen, that's not the same as humiliating her. Technically we don't even know the circumstances of Katana's loss.
China lost pretty decisively to S5 Ollie
What was Tatsu's best feat? I can't remember.
Being dead even with Nyssa
I edited my post, I meant at the time of the flashbacks, when she fought CW.
Ah, not much really as far as actual showings. Fodder feats. That being said I'm not sure there's much to imply she got better by the time of S3/4
@arcus1: That's not a bad feat actually. I don't know, there's close to a 6 year gap between Hong Kong and Nyssa vs Tatsu, I kind of doubt that the Tatsu fighting Nyssa was the same one that fought CW, but then she wasn't supposed to have been doing much for an unknown number of years.
@arcus1: That's not a bad feat actually. I don't know, there's close to a 6 year gap between Hong Kong and Nyssa vs Tatsu, I kind of doubt that the Tatsu fighting Nyssa was the same one that fought CW, but then she wasn't supposed to have been doing much for an unknown number of years.
Yeah, I don't know of anything to suggest a major boost in skill, but a bit of refinement seems logical considering she started getting involved with ninjas and such
The one where he tried to rescue Thea? I never saw that as being all that different from the Hallway fight.
Danny was ganged up on more than Ollie. With Ollie they mostly just appear one or two at a time, up until the very end when he starts using his bow and arrows.
Danny did eventually get pinned down, but I'm addressing the first dozen fighters he faced in particular: he takes them all down as effortlessly as Arrow did
And yes, he did get attacked from behind, or at least people tried to attack him from behind. I mean, saying no one ever came at him from any different direction would imply he was facing the same direction the entire fight, which isn't true.
As for being overwhelmed, yeah they were smart enough to dogpile him, at which point he was working on summoning the Iron Fist, but then Luke showed up. Danny then got all the guys off of him on his own, with admittedly a bit of help from Luke finishing off one of the guys he knocked away, but he got rid of the other two so quickly that I doubt it made that big of a difference. Summoning the Iron Fist would've made it easier, plus it allows for Luke's dramatic entrance
I still don't understand what's so different about the hallway scenario and the office scenario. When was Danny ganged up on more than Oliver? They would both engage up to two people at once and neutralize them just in time for a third to reach them. That is the entire formula for both scenes. Oliver also had guys coming at him from behind the whole time. Everybody Danny faced was in his general facing direction; yes some of them were slightly to the left, that doesn't really mean anything if Danny could see them easily. And that shot with the two guys behind Danny isn't fair. He saw them coming, and turned his back on purpose to deliver a particular strike. That isn't the same thing as actually being attacked from behind.
Also, just on the note of retroactively applying feats, Ollie only sorta lost to China in like episode 2, when he was just starting out. Later on, all showings indicate she's not a match for him, and that's closer the time he gets his hallway feats iirc. Plus by scaling China's only around Nyssa level, and we see that Nyssa's clearly not a match for S2 Ollie.
Wha- Yes that's my point. I AM the one who said not to retroactively apply feats! I started this off only mentioning Oliver's fights from the first two episodes and the flashbacks. So how do you want to play this? Do you want to retroactively apply both Oliver and Danny's feats to their earlier incarnations? Or do you want to not do that? You can't retroactively apply Danny's feats and not do the same for Oliver. That isn't fair.
China has humiliated Katana at her own game, the same Katana who stalemated Nyssa. That puts China White above Nyssa. She also fought toe to toe with Oliver in Season 5, who is leagues above Bakuto.
She fought Katana and apparently beat her off screen, that's not the same as humiliating her. Technically we don't even know the circumstances of Katana's loss.
China lost pretty decisively to S5 Ollie
From the little bit we saw of their fight, Katana was terrified of Chie Na and Chie Na was outright cocky. Again, she challenged Katana at her own game, used Tatsu's own weapons against her, just to prove that she could. Maybe humiliate isn't the right word, but that is pretty embarrassing.
China is so underappreciated. She's one of my favorite side villains. She's also one of the most persistent.
Ah, not much really as far as actual showings. Fodder feats. That being said I'm not sure there's much to imply she got better by the time of S3/4
Danny defeated about 11 people, and here is Katana killing six. That could easily be on par with Bakuto, who is not as skilled as Danny. Remember, this is not Katana's limit. She killed these Triad downright effortlessly. And if that's still not enough, China White is better than Katana.
You say fodder feats like they are meaningless, but are also praising Danny's fodder feat. That isn't fair.
Ollie was able to turn around to face people too...
I'm saying Ollie showed clear improvement in regards to fights against China White, we know she's overall not a match for him solo.
But you have a point, so if we're just looking at Ollie's flashback and first couple episode feats, I'll just look at Danny's feats up to fighting Bakuto. His compound escape and stomping Davos is more impressive than anything Ollie had done up to that point
Katana was scared cause someone invaded her home and threatened her son
Slicing through unarmed fodder when you have a sword isn't the most impressive feat in comparison to other stuff (like Nyssa fighting ninjas)
Ollie was able to turn around to face people too...
I'm saying Ollie showed clear improvement in regards to fights against China White, we know she's overall not a match for him solo.
But you have a point, so if we're just looking at Ollie's flashback and first couple episode feats, I'll just look at Danny's feats up to fighting Bakuto. His compound escape and stomping Davos is more impressive than anything Ollie had done up to that point
Katana was scared cause someone invaded her home and threatened her son
Slicing through unarmed fodder when you have a sword isn't the most impressive feat in comparison to other stuff (like Nyssa fighting ninjas)
Again, I don't understand your point. Yes, Oliver and Danny were both able to turn around and face people, I never said that Oliver somehow fought people with his back turned. What I'm arguing, is that the two scenarios were basically the same, so Danny's feat is not superior. Oliver could have replicated it because all Danny did was take down two people at a time in a line.
Now, the compound escape definitely was impressive, you know that I said I think it's more impressive than his office fight, because he had been stabbed. At the point he fought China White, Oliver had feats of John Wick-ing over a dozen armed Bratva in 15 seconds, storming a Bratva stronghold and killing everybody, shooting down an attack chopper with an AK, surviving a fight with Deathstroke, ragdolling grown men with one arm, getting shot or stabbed and literally not even flinching, sensing an assassin firing an arrow behind his head and turning around fast enough to catch it, dodging bullets from Deadshot, and neutralizing eight elite bodyguards in a corridor with automatic weapons trained on him faster than they can react. Personally, I would say Danny has better martial arts training, but Oliver is way more versatile and adaptable. He's more experienced, more tactical, sharper senses, physically superior, tougher, and more ruthless. Danny has better martial arts training, but overall Oliver is more capable, and more dangerous. Now here's the really important part -- China White BEAT this Oliver. Bakuto LOST to Danny. So even if we split hairs on who is more dangerous between Danny and Oliver, the fact is that China White was more dangerous than Oliver, even on a completely even playing field, while Bakuto, was only able to keep up with Danny when he used a sword against Danny's bare hands, and Danny was still better than him in the end.
Comparing Davos to Kovar, I think they are both very dangerous opponents. Kovar doesn't have the martial arts training of Davos, but again, he's more experienced, more ruthless, and built like a brick friggin wall. This is Dolph Lundgren we're talking about! And Kovar was basically 6'5, 250 pounds of pure muscle. He survived a helicopter crash and explosion with scratches, and could snap necks with literally no effort at all. Oliver is strong enough to rag doll people, but Kovar was strong enough to rag doll Oliver, which Oliver had to use skill to compensate for. Kovar was probably one of the most physically imposing humans in the whole Arrowverse, and on top of that, he always had blades, guns, or backup when he fought Oliver, while Oliver only had his bare hands. That's a lot of disadvantages Oliver was working against with pure skill.
So again. Davos might be the more skilled martial artist, but Kovar is physically superior, and he's an extremely efficient killer in his own right. He knows how to utilize his weight, he grew up surviving in the slums of the Soviet Union and was a General in the Russian military, and we can see from his fights with Oliver alone that he is extremely skilled in boxing, grappling, brawling, knife fighting, marksmanship, joint locks and breaking bones, so he might not be a refined martial artist, but he's definitely a damn good fighter. I would actually put Davos and Kovar right on the same tier, the martial arts advantage and physical gap even out nicely.
So between the flashbacks and the first couple episodes of the show, Oliver actually does have some really notable feats. Again, Danny is more skilled purely in the martial arts, but Oliver has many advantages that make him just as if not a more dangerous fighter. I think debating Danny and Oliver would be splitting hairs. We can be reasonable and agree, they are pretty close, a fight between them is hard to call. But China White was ultimately more dangerous than this Oliver even on neutral ground, while Bakuto was much less dangerous than Danny and needed to challenge his bare hands with a sword just to keep up, and then still lose. Therefore, I picture China White as more dangerous than Bakuto.
Except with Danny, we know they were all coming at him at once, the fact that he didn't get pinned down shows how good he is: we see him regularly knocking multiple people down with one strike, fight on multiple fronts, redirect opponents to block attacks from others, etc. With Ollie, they're largely just coming at him one after the other, and we see them coming out from other places to fight him. Ollie also used his archery to deal with the numbers once they started coming more frequently, but Danny didn't need any weapons
A bunch of those feats you listed are involving gear, gear Ollie didn't try to use against China since he just fought her h2h. If we're comparing a fully geared up Ollie vs Danny with no chi, then sure, Ollie's more versatile, but that's not relevant.
Some of those feats are also completely meaningless. For example, how does shooting down a helicopter have any relevance to a h2h fight?
She had Ollie on the defensive, but he was never beaten. The fight ended with the cops arriving and both of them retreating. Course, I could say the same thing about Danny vs Bakuto, while Danny had the advantage against Bakuto, he never actually beat him.
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