MCU Avengers vs CW Legends

[Teams are not as depicted in images, teams will be provided below]

There will be 3 rounds, each with different teams, but the same rules.

ROUND 1

- Avengers: [Phase 1] Captain America, Ironman, The Hulk, Thor, Black Widow, Hawkeye

- Legends: The Atom, White Canary, Firestorm, Captain Cold, Heatwave, Hawkman, Hawkgirl

ROUND 2

- Avengers: [Phase 2] Captain America, Ironman, The Hulk, Thor, Scarlet Witch, Quick Silver, Vision

- Legends: The Atom, White Canary, Firestorm, Captain Cold, Heatwave, Amaya, Steel,

ROUND 3

- Avengers: [Civil War] Captain America, Ironman, The Hulk, Thor, Black Widow, Hawkeye, Scarlet Witch, Quick Silver, Vision, Winter Soldier, Falcon, Warmachine. Spider-Man, Black Panther, Ant-Man.

- Legends: The Atom, White Canary, Firestorm, Captain Cold, Heatwave, Hawkgirl, Hawkman, Amaya, Steel, Rip Hunter, Ava Sharp, Zari, Kid Flash, Mona, Constantine, Behrad.

ROUND 4

- Avengers: [Civil War] Captain America, Black Widow, Hawkeye, Winter Soldier, Falcon, Black Panther

- Legends: White Canary, Captain Cold, Heatwave, Hawkgirl, Hawkman, Rip Hunter, Ava Sharp, Mona

ROUND 5

- Avengers: [Civil War] Ironman, The Hulk, Thor, Scarlet Witch, Vision, Spider-Man, Ant-Man

- Legends: The Atom, Firestorm, Steel, Amaya, Zari, Kid Flash, Constantine

RULES

- Location: Empty [random] large-city on Earth

- Win Condition: Anything goes, entire enemy team is to be defeated.

- Morals: Off, but everyone is in-character

- Prep: None

- Gear: Standard. Outside gear is not allowed (no hulkbuster, no waverider, etc)

- Budget limits and PIS: off

- No comic book feats allowed

WHO WINS?

r1, r2 - thor defeats firestorm, hulk stomps others.

r3 - wally solos in multiple ways.

Avengers all 3 rounds, with R3 being the closest due to Kid Flash.

The issue with the Legends is that they have way too many street levellers, i.e. White Canary, Captain Cold, Heatwave, etc. The only real threats in the first two rounds are Atom, Firestorm, and Vixen, but they aren't enough.

Avengers win round 1 with consummate ease. Either Thor, Hulk or IM .can handle Firestorm and the two that don't can pretty much take the rest of the Legends alone. In the case of Hulk easily and in the case of IM with a hard fight. Since Capt, Hawkeye and Widow can each take at least one of their adversaries each it's not a contest.

Round 2 still Avengers. You added Steel and Amaya who on absolute best feats might be able to make a fight vs Hulk or in Steel's case tank some of the damage that the heavy hitters from Avengers round 1 could dish out but you also added more heavy hitters for Marvel.

Round 3 still Avengers but its closer. Adding Wally and Constantine lifts the game of Legends immensely but John Sort of needs at least some minimal prep. If you had added Zari and Not Behrah she would have too. Zari actually had decent feats with the totem bit when Behrad joined it was as though the special effects budget was taken by all the magic. And if we have both then it's Behrad who has the totem not Zari. Since Waverider and outside gear isn't allowed Zari won't contribute with her engineering or hacker skills. The extra additions to Avengers just make it too hard for the Legends

Avengers take rounds 1 and 2. Wally would probably help turn the tides in R3. But this is a close match.

"avengers beat wally in a close match" my ass

Wally revamps them via time travel, that's one.
Wally blitzoneshots them ripping out heart, that's two.
Wally drags them to closest volcano the savitar/zoom style and throws them to melt in it, that's three.

Uhh Avengers curbstomp here, they are more formidable than the Legends. In fact, most of the legends are fodder.

@foreveralive:

The Atom, Firestorm, Amaya, Steel, Zari, Kid Flash,and Constantine are not fodder. The problem is that there are larger numbers of heavy hitters for the Avengers.

Ironman, The Hulk, Thor, Scarlet Witch, Quick Silver, Vision, Warmachine, Spiderman and Ant-Man.

So it's 9-7

Steel's dwarf star loaded train feat puts him physically on the level of Hulk or Thor but he can't match both

Atom is matched by either IM, War Machine or Ant-man so three is too much.

Constantine and Scarlet witch are matched

Kid Flash and Quick silver also matched the very few high end feats of Wally don't unbalanced it. Scaling vs Barry when he doesn't have the feats just the statements to back it up IMHO doesn't fly.

Firestorm can be squared off with Vision farely evenly matched.

Then we have the likes of Amaya who is a match for Spidey in almost every way.

That leaves Zari to try and square off against whoever is left. Her winds can trouble one but not 3 of those left.

The rest of the team's are farely evenly matched.

@beatboks1: I had intending on both Zari and Behrad having their own totem.

I am unsure if morals-off and in-character would apply Wally to use those strategies. Though, I am sure Wally has many means to be a heavy hitter here regardless of potential bloodlusted traits. Especially when he does have some members of his team who are not fodder here: Firestorm, Atom, Steel, Constantine, etc (points can be made for others)

UPDATE!

I will be adding a Round 4 and a Round 5.

These rounds will contain [some of] each teams upper and lower members. I feel as though the Legends have too many members who do not contribute enough in the massive battle, as such, we can make 2 more rounds.

R4 will contain each teams weaker members. While R5 will be the stronger ones. If you believe a member is out of place for either side, I welcome an argument to convince me to make the proper altercation.

- Happy debating

@crimson_comet:

R1: Firestorm pretty solos, only THor is thread but Firestorm has better feats and scalings. If we use low ends for Jeff, THor has same lvl of pathethicness. Iron Man can wreck majority but not Firestorm.

R2: Basically Steel stalemates Hulk, Stark and Wanda with Pietro can wreck majority but Amaya's medalion with some destiny and spirit manipulation can also do most of damage. Firestorm is also factor

R3: Atom claps Ant-Man, Wally claps QS and Vis. Constantine can do if teammates protect him, Zari stalemates Wanda, Firestorm still takes most, Behrad . hmm we don't have two wind totems. I give legends 5.5 / 10 via Wally and Firestorm.

@mama7 Avengers take all rounds except Round 3 and 5 with Wally, but Quicksilver tries to take him on. Wanda can practically just crush people.

They aren't losing much to the CW losers

R4 goes to the Avengers

R5 also goes to the Avengers but it’s much closer

@factbro: Firestorm absorbs pretty easily 1 megaton nuke, no sells black hole and sigularity ( but destruction costed Ronnie's life ), literal on screen speed without frame cut of like mach 3, slapping Damen and Nora very casually who are perfect energy manipulators ( shouldn't damien be casual plane smasher ) ?

Zari has similair feats to Wanda, is faster but consistnently less raw power. Zari is more hax, better sclaings and can deoxygenise. Amaya can summon spirit army and totems can manipulate destiny of users.

Totems by feats, statements and scalings >>>>>>>> infinity stones

@factbro: Additionally Atom's quantum powers > Ant-Man's. Like manipulation of size, Atom can shrink toward size of smaller than blood cell, CW Quantum realm has way better feats and scalings. CW QR can shrink Earth-sized planets, is scaled above Big Bang etc.

@mama7 Those totems do not scale anywhere close to the infinity stones. The infinity stones snapped half of the universes population. And Quicksilver could beat Firestorm. Hulk can beat many of the CW heroes at once.

@mama7 Scarlet Witch would have killed Thanos in Endgame, Zari dies rather quickly.

@mama7 I notice we have debated a few times. I want no beef with you

And what ? btw how do we know she would kill him ? I don't care what Russoyboys say. Zari by Gideon calculation could contain waverider obliterating bomb ( also as Zari was predicting ) same Waverider which consistently has taken solar flare of sun and nuke easily.

Zari can do same with grabbing and smashing + deoxygenisation

@mama7 No, Captain Cold doesn't have an absolute zero cold gun. And Thor can one-shot. The Legends have too many street-levelers.

@mama7 The Legends have never faced a Loki-level threat, an Ultron-level threat, a Thanos-level threat. And don't forget their individual movies too.

@mama7 Yes, those Avengers I mentioned are street-levelers but upper though. Fighting upper-level threats has to mean something. And if Heatwave and Captain Cold have absolute hot and absolute cold weapons, they would kill everyone around pretty easily. Absolute hot would incinerate everything. So, the writers are stupid. And Wanda is a superhuman, durability-wise and strength-wise. Plus, Thor would dodge those gun blasts.

@mama7 The show is time-based, of course it has to do with re-writing time and stuff. Marty Mcfly could re-write time and so could CW Flash. Thanos, Ultron, and Loki would stomp all the CW Legends, each by themselves.

@mama7 And the MCU is introducing the multiverse with WandaVision and Doctor Strange and Spiderman 3. Their universe is infinite.

And what multiverse introducement mean in MCU ? Flash already introduced first multiverse concept and extended to higher dimensional realms, metaphysical, concepts transcending realms etc.

ROUND 1

- Avengers: [Phase 1] Captain America, Ironman, The Hulk, Thor, Black Widow, Hawkeye

- Legends:The Atom, White Canary, Firestorm, Captain Cold, Heatwave, Hawkman, Hawkgirl

Atom carries

ROUND 2

- Avengers: [Phase 2] Captain America, Ironman, The Hulk, Thor, Scarlet Witch, Quick Silver, Vision

- Legends: The Atom, White Canary, Firestorm, Captain Cold, Heatwave, Amaya, Steel,

not sure on this one

ROUND 3

- Avengers: [Civil War] Captain America, Ironman, The Hulk, Thor, Black Widow, Hawkeye, Scarlet Witch, Quick Silver, Vision, Winter Soldier, Falcon, Warmachine. Spider-Man, Black Panther, Ant-Man.

- Legends: The Atom, White Canary, Firestorm, Captain Cold, Heatwave, Hawkgirl, Hawkman, Amaya, Steel, Rip Hunter, Ava Sharp, Zari, Kid Flash, Mona, Constantine, Behrad.

ROUND 4

- Avengers: [Civil War] Captain America, Black Widow, Hawkeye, Winter Soldier, Falcon, Black Panther

- Legends: White Canary, Captain Cold, Heatwave, Hawkgirl, Hawkman, Rip Hunter, Ava Sharp, Mona

ROUND 5

- Avengers: [Civil War] Ironman, The Hulk, Thor, Scarlet Witch, Vision, Spider-Man, Ant-Man

- Legends: The Atom, Firestorm, Steel, Amaya, Zari, Kid Flash, Constantine

Avengers all rounds, kid flash struggled to phased through a building. No one has fears to take down thor. Flash couldnt take down killer shark and gorilla in recent season hulk would solo. Thor would spite them

@mama7 Sure, but both MCU and CW have multiverses. And nothing can contain absolute hot. And the reason Heatwave/Cold were able to track Flash was because of plot. You can't track someone moving at 2,000 mph

Truth speaking Avengers also had struggles over mere robots. They have same lvl of inconsistency and S3 Kid Flash couldn't phase until he learned to do it. Like phasing plane or phase through death manipulating dark matter metahuman. Hulk has better feats strenghtwise, but Flash is more about haxes and speed not brute force. Also full punch Flash has busted this extinction lvl satelite and to make exticition lvl impact u need at least 5 km diameter meteor aka 2.8 teratons force ( i know this was with Nora's help, but in original timeline he should be fine after it but Nora's interference messed up everything ).

Btw Firestorm with transmutation and blast claps Thor handily.

R1-R4 Legends are GOTG level, Thor solos.

R5, Wally blitzes and solos, Constantine solos via hax.

That was like, 3 years ago

Avengers all rounds.