MCU Avengers 1 all heroes combined to one hero VS DCEU Superman.

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Posted by CCThor (2297 posts) 16 days, 16 hours ago

Poll: MCU Avengers 1 all heroes combined to one hero VS DCEU Superman. (57 votes)

New hero. 35%
Still Superman. 61%
Stalemate. 0%
Result. 4%

Their all stats, powers including fighting skills and experience combined in one hero.

Which one can win?

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#1 Posted by ANTHP2000 (31130 posts) - - Show Bio

Not fast enough. Maybe make it AoU.

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#2 Edited by KingOfWakanda (3380 posts) - - Show Bio

Composite stomps.

EDIT: Avengers 1 lineup gets smashed. IW lineup would take it handily.

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#3 Posted by Cruelrain (383 posts) - - Show Bio

Just CM and Thor powers are needed.

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#4 Posted by eri123 (7328 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman

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#5 Posted by DetectiveSomerset__ (1753 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman Stomps , there is no captain marvel , witch or strange..

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#7 Posted by LJayG (1516 posts) - - Show Bio

Not enough to beat supes. AoU gives everyone a better chance

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#8 Edited by DetectiveSomerset__ (1753 posts) - - Show Bio

@kingofwakanda said:

Composite stomps.

EDIT: Avengers 1 lineup gets smashed. IW lineup would take it handily.

IW line up gets wrecked. None can tag or hit superman. theres no captain marvel.

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#9 Posted by Kevd4wg (14288 posts) - - Show Bio

Feats to say Thors lighting doesnt one-shor?

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#10 Posted by kalkent (3763 posts) - - Show Bio

@kevd4wg said:

Feats to say Thors lighting doesnt one-shor?

The blunt force isn't doing anything to him, and Phase 1 Thor is nowhere near fast enough. What the hell is with the Thor wanking recently?

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#11 Posted by KingOfWakanda (3380 posts) - - Show Bio

@kingofwakanda said:

Composite stomps.

EDIT: Avengers 1 lineup gets smashed. IW lineup would take it handily.

IW line up gets wrecked. None can tag or hit superman. theres no captain marvel.

Wanda's powers should be able to hold him in place. And Supes can't hit someone that can go intangible.

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#12 Posted by DetectiveSomerset__ (1753 posts) - - Show Bio

@kingofwakanda: Supes murderstomps wanda , it has been proved. the only one who gives him a good fight is DR Strange and it should be a stalemate or win for any of them.

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#13 Posted by KingOfWakanda (3380 posts) - - Show Bio

@detectivesomerset__: That's if he blitzes her because she's a glass cannon. Either way, it wouldn't be applicable here since this is a composite, not a team.

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#14 Posted by The_Hajduk (7355 posts) - - Show Bio

Pretty sure AoU should curbstomp with similar speed.

Avengers 1 is a good fight with both of them having advantages.

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#15 Posted by Chazzer (1046 posts) - - Show Bio

-Strength/durability of Thor/hulk

-Fight IQ of Cap, Natasaha, Barton

-Tech/armor of Iron Man

Plus a Uru hammer and Vibranium shield

Avenger all day every day.

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#16 Posted by kalkent (3763 posts) - - Show Bio

@chazzer said:

-Strength/durability of Thor/hulk

Both way weaker than JL Superman.

-Fight IQ of Cap, Natasaha, Barton

Useless.

-Tech/armor of Iron Man

Crumpled like a tin can.

Plus a Uru hammer and Vibranium shield

Nowhere near fast enough.

Avenger get stomped every day.

FTFY.

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#17 Posted by Chazzer (1046 posts) - - Show Bio

@kalkent:

1. Nope, especially striking

2. Supes fights like an amateur

3. Energy blasts hurt Supes everytime

4. Fast enough, show me supes dodging short range swings/punches from a master combatant

5. Avengers all day every day

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#18 Posted by FFT203 (91 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman>>>>Compsite MCU high tier

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#19 Posted by darthvaderrocks (2979 posts) - - Show Bio

@kevd4wg said:

Feats to say Thors lighting doesnt one-shor?

Because his lighting has failed to one shot people less durable than Superman?

OT: Still too slow. Superman wins.

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#20 Posted by FFT203 (91 posts) - - Show Bio

Pretty sure AoU should curbstomp with similar speed.

Avengers 1 is a good fight with both of them having advantages.

Superman>>>>>>>>>>quiksilver in speed

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#21 Posted by kalkent (3763 posts) - - Show Bio

@chazzer said:

1. Nope, especially striking

The only way they surpass him in striking is if Superman just let's The hammer hit him. Hulk's best striking feat is the leviathan at this point which was already casually replicated on a much larger structure and of a metal with equal durability of the Leviathans. Thor's unarmed striking feats suck. This is also a guy that flies five story, 7500 Ton buildings around like it's nothing to him. They are nowhere near as strong as him at this point in the MCU.

2. Supes fights like an amateur

Doesn't matter. Skill is basically useless when you are massively outclassed in every other category. Not to mention high tiers seldom use their skill in battle anyway.

3. Energy blasts hurt Supes everytime

Iron Man's repulsors were casually no sold by a Phase 1 Thor at point blank to the face. They aren't doing anything to a much more durable opponent. Not to mention Superman can easily crumble Iron Man's metal like it is tissue paper.

4. Fast enough, show me supes dodging short range swings/punches from a master combatant

No MCU High tier besides quicksilver can consistently fight and throw punches at the speed of sound. This is something Superman did at his weakest point. Doesn't matter how skilled they are, his perception, reaction and combat speed are far too much.

5. Avengers all day every day

Wrong.

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#22 Posted by kalkent (3763 posts) - - Show Bio

Because his lighting has failed to one shot people less durable than Superman?

OT: Still too slow. Superman wins.

I think he is trolling.

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#23 Posted by darthvaderrocks (2979 posts) - - Show Bio
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#24 Edited by kalkent (3763 posts) - - Show Bio

@darthvaderrocks said:

He most likely isn't.

Then I don't know what he is watching. The lightning failed to immediately one shot Leviathans, which are significantly less durable than Superman, and that was from a blood-lusted thor.

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#25 Posted by The_Hajduk (7355 posts) - - Show Bio

@fft203: It’s more then enough to keep up. This composite Avenger will also be the most skilled warrior with all of Thor’s weather powers and Iron Man’s tech. That’s hard to keep up with too.

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#26 Posted by darthvaderrocks (2979 posts) - - Show Bio

@kalkent said:
@darthvaderrocks said:

He most likely isn't.

Then I don't know what he is watching. The lightning failed to immediately one shot Leviathans, which are significantly less durable than Superman, and that was from a blood-lusted thor.

Well, I disagree with that because bloodlusted Thor to me is IW Thor (there's really no debate there because his entire purpose in that film is about revenge) and Endgame Thor. The only way Thor can one shot Superman is if he unleashes his Sokovia Mjolnir and lighting AOE on Superman. There's two problems with that though.

  1. Superman would only be taking a small percentage of that blast due to the fact it was a giant AOE attack instead of on a single target like the Hela lighting.
  2. Thor doesn't even use that type of lighting and Mjolnir attack when he's actually bloodlusted in films before so you literally can't even argue he'd do it even when bloodlusted.
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#27 Posted by Chazzer (1046 posts) - - Show Bio

@kalkent:

1. When? Their combined strength is plenty, leviathan punch is proof.

2. Rules of the match say all their skills are combined, why would they not fight at their best?

3. First, Thor has better energy durability and on screen feats prove that Supes get affected by energy attacks every time.

4. Thor can react as proven when he blocks energy blasts and reacts to Quicksilver.

5. Avengers win

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#28 Posted by FinalKingThanos (3247 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman could probably win if hes constantly in statue mode but a hero with the combined stats of thor and hulk with caps skill and the weaponry would be a tough ask for him imo if not a stomp unless again hes in CV statue mode.

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#29 Posted by TakenStew22 (5960 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman still wins. Hulk and Thor are the only ones worth talking about and they still get stomped together.

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#30 Posted by Ready_4_Madness (18830 posts) - - Show Bio

Avengers 1 team is weak sauce

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#31 Posted by nn5 (1209 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman and it's not close

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#32 Posted by WordWarrior (1665 posts) - - Show Bio

Easy stomp. Hulk or Thor could solo.

Not sure why anyone needs feats to hit Superman. He almost never dodges and always gets tagged.

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#33 Posted by Kevd4wg (14288 posts) - - Show Bio

@kalkent said:
@kevd4wg said:

Feats to say Thors lighting doesnt one-shor?

The blunt force isn't doing anything to him, and Phase 1 Thor is nowhere near fast enough. What the hell is with the Thor wanking recently?

>Don't agree
>Wank.

All Thor has to do to summon lightning is push up Mjolnir and while Superman's struggling to put down Hulk(obvious first target), Thor can do that and one-shot him. Plus Superman doesn't statue people constantly, we see this in his fight against Steppenwolf. He has no reason to know that Thor can lift something up that can summon lightning way faster then him.

Meanwhile Thor's lighting is way more powerful then anything Superman's taken. It was casually taking out Leviathans which Iron Man couldn't even hurt with his impressive lasers.

@kevd4wg said:

Feats to say Thors lighting doesnt one-shor?

Because his lighting has failed to one shot people less durable than Superman?

OT: Still too slow. Superman wins.

The only instance I can think of to somewhat agree with your assessment was when it didn't one-shot Iron Man and that's because he absorbed it.

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#34 Posted by darthvaderrocks (2979 posts) - - Show Bio

@kevd4wg said:
@kalkent said:
@kevd4wg said:

Feats to say Thors lighting doesnt one-shor?

The blunt force isn't doing anything to him, and Phase 1 Thor is nowhere near fast enough. What the hell is with the Thor wanking recently?

>Don't agree

>Wank.

All Thor has to do to summon lightning is push up Mjolnir and while Superman's struggling to put down Hulk(obvious first target), Thor can do that and one-shot him. Plus Superman doesn't statue people constantly, we see this in his fight against Steppenwolf. He has no reason to know that Thor can lift something up that can summon lightning way faster then him.

Meanwhile Thor's lighting is way more powerful then anything Superman's taken. It was casually taking out Leviathans which Iron Man couldn't even hurt with his impressive lasers.

@darthvaderrocks said:
@kevd4wg said:

Feats to say Thors lighting doesnt one-shor?

Because his lighting has failed to one shot people less durable than Superman?

OT: Still too slow. Superman wins.

The only instance I can think of to somewhat agree with your assessment was when it didn't one-shot Iron Man and that's because he absorbed it.

His lighting also failed to one shot Thanos, Hela (don't buy she was KO'd. It didn't even say she was KO'd in the script either), Iron Man (he absorbed his lighting in Endgame not in The Avengers), Malekith (although to be fair he burned his face really bad but still wasn't a one shot), and Loki.

None of those characters I mentioned are more durable than Superman. You might try to make a argument for Thanos but by feats he isn't.

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#35 Posted by Kevd4wg (14288 posts) - - Show Bio

@darthvaderrocks:

His lighting also failed to one shot Thanos

Whos an absolute tank and has only been slightly damaged once, there's literally no evidence to say he's less durable then Superman, which is needed for an anti-feat.

Hela (don't buy she was KO'd. It didn't even say she was KO'd in the script either),

Who never got hurt by anything else other then an island buster and was off screen for 2 minutes. That's a one-shot.

Iron Man (he absorbed his lighting in Endgame not in The Avengers)

It charged his armor, he clearly wasn't taking full damage from it and was absorbing it.

Malekith (although to be fair he burned his face really bad but still wasn't a one shot)

Yeah, it literally burned his face off. And once again anti-feats to say that Malekith is less durable then Superman because I don't remember him getting hurt by anything else.

and Loki.

Thor was holding back against Loki

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#36 Edited by kalkent (3763 posts) - - Show Bio

@kevd4wg said:

>Don't agree

>Wank.

All Thor has to do to summon lightning is push up Mjolnir and while Superman's struggling to put down Hulk(obvious first target), Thor can do that and one-shot him. Plus Superman doesn't statue people constantly, we see this in his fight against Steppenwolf. He has no reason to know that Thor can lift something up that can summon lightning way faster then him.

Meanwhile Thor's lighting is way more powerful then anything Superman's taken. It was casually taking out Leviathans which Iron Man couldn't even hurt with his impressive lasers.

The only instance I can think of to somewhat agree with your assessment was when it didn't one-shot Iron Man and that's because he absorbed it.

Leviathans are nowhere near as durable as Superman, and he didn't even one shot them. Anyway, I have nowhere near the energy required to continue this debate right now.

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#37 Posted by darthvaderrocks (2979 posts) - - Show Bio

@kevd4wg:

1. Your first problem is thinking I'm saying it's an anti-feat that he didn't one shot Thanos when I'm not. Your second problem is thinking Thanos has durability feats above Superman. Thanos best durability would probably be the 11 hit (12 if you account for the thrown Mjolnir elbow blow) that Thanos soaked from Cap. Unfortunately not quantifiable unless you say Cap had Thor level strength. This also wouldn't mean anything because Thor has very few quantifiable strength feats.

2. Proof she got one shotted? Who's to say she was only off screen due to the fact she had to walk a long ass time to actually get to the bridge seeing she was still inside Asgard's palace? Hela also doesn't have durability feats anyway.

3. Proof he wasn't taking full damage? Who's to say he still took full damage but to it also managed charge his armor as well?

4. Still with the anti-feat nonsense. Also Malkith's best durability feat would be this

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Great feat but doesn't come close to getting thrown through 6 skycrappers at mach speeds, being undamaged by getting thrown so hard into a bank vault you managed to actually dent it, or tanking being uppercut to the top of a skycrapper.

5. You know Thor holding back doesn't change the fact Loki didn't get one shot, right?

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#38 Posted by Lucano (3519 posts) - - Show Bio

Regardless if it is composite or the lineup, Superman shitstomps them.

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#39 Posted by CaptainSweatpan (3123 posts) - - Show Bio

If this is a composite version of Avengers with all abilities stacked I don't see how a composite Avengers character isn't spite and lock worthy

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#40 Posted by kalkent (3763 posts) - - Show Bio

If this is a composite version of Avengers with all abilities stacked I don't see how a composite Avengers character isn't spite and lock worthy

It's Phase 1 Avengers, IE only two people that matter. Thor and Hulk. And they are both too slow, less durable, and have inferior striking power(besides Thor with mjolinir).

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#41 Posted by CaptainSweatpan (3123 posts) - - Show Bio

@kalkent: phase 1 Avengers lose then, AOU, IW or Engame stomp

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#42 Posted by kalkent (3763 posts) - - Show Bio
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#43 Posted by CaptainSweatpan (3123 posts) - - Show Bio

@kalkent: all that's needed is Thor with Wandas tp to win, add in Visions phasing and it's spite

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#44 Edited by WolverineBatmanFTW (2238 posts) - - Show Bio

Avengers should wreck. IW Thor and CM are both strong enough. Throw in all those other heros and its a landslide win. Don't forget, we have a magic user with Strange too, which Supes has never neen particularly good with.

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#45 Posted by kalkent (3763 posts) - - Show Bio

@kalkent: all that's needed is Thor with Wandas tp to win, add in Visions phasing and it's spite

Wanda isn't tping in the middle of the battle. Vision sucks and has barely any striking feats.

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#46 Posted by CaptainSweatpan (3123 posts) - - Show Bio

@kalkent: if you're gonna post childish gifs like that I can't have a conversation with you, all I have left to say is that I disagree with that assessment

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#47 Posted by Mr_Shazam0920 (6073 posts) - - Show Bio

Are their powers stacked? Like Thor and Hulk’s strength added to one another?

Going to go with Superman. You really need phase 2 and beyond for the higher end feats for these guys save the Leviathan punch from Hulk.

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#48 Edited by BladeOfFury (3897 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_hajduk: You think Quicksilver is as fast as Clark? The guy is subsonic.

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#49 Posted by TheHolyFish (541 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman still.

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#50 Posted by Mr_Shazam0920 (6073 posts) - - Show Bio