MCU: Arishem vs What if Strange

Who Wins?

Arishem's feats?

If Arishem’s feats are indeed creating countless stars, baby Celestials who explode planets at birth, Eternals and Deviants … he still loses to What If? Strange who soloed an actual universe.

It's cool to create stars as baby versions but those stars develop itselfs throughout milenias.

Celestials generally create baby versions of celestial bodies ( every seperately ) needing time to develop. Stephen did destroy fabric of reality by breaking through absolute point with more power. It's like activating autodestruction button and Stephen failed easily creating pocket room sized realm

@wizardking: Only telepathical communication, being as big as maybe country ( scaling to Tiamut ), teleportation, telekinteical pull, transforming energy just to create baby versions of planets and stars to form itself

@yunobogoro1:

Only telepathical communication, being as big as maybe country ( scaling to Tiamut ), teleportation, telekinteical pull, transforming energy just to create baby versions of planets and stars to form itself

That doesn't even put him on the same tier as Strange tho. Strange can cast protection spells that can withstand galaxies exploding, can absorb galaxies exploding, can cause the destruction of an entire timeline (multiversal) and can create his own 3D space. He also has the time stone on top of that.

Dark Strange stomps.

Strange warps him into a coffee cup

Surtur would destroy Arishem

Yeah, I ain't responding to your arguments this mama7.

What if strange stomps

Arishem pre dates infinity stones if that means anything lol

So don't because you are a loser who use pesronal assumptions and twitter for argumentation like Rajjar and bunny

WI Strange Stomps

Strange

Arishem solos Asgard with his only feat and one-shots prime Odin.

OT = Strange

Did the Celestials tank the Big Bang since they were said to have predated the six singularities and the dawn of creation?

You don't have to be.

You just keep your distance and done. Why do we survive supernovas of stars located light years away ? Answer: We are beyond it's reach. Same here.

^ this. Just pull telekinetically Odin outside asgard and throw to space to die of temperature, oxygen, no pressure etc.

This doesn't mean anything considering the celestials couldn't undo the snap. Their plan was thrawted by Thanos's snap.

Outer space would not hurt prime Odin. Infinity War Thor floated in deep space after surviving a power stone explosion to a spaceship, and Odin -- father to Thor -- already demonstrated that he could strip Thor of his powers so prime Odin scales above Thor. Plus, we don't know that Arishem could TK anything except Eternals, because he created Eternals. If we assume Arishem could TK any living thing, then we should assume Asgard could hit Arishem with the planet-busting Bifrost blast that would have destroyed Jotenheim. We also then should assume that whoever is on Asgard could use the Bifrost to bring Odin back from wherever Arishem TKs him. But there is no evidence that any of these things are possible, and all of this is off-topic to the OP.

Strange for now. Not sure what Arishem is capable of yet.

@frozen: undoing the snap means nothing because that was just earth which was delayed they’re a billions of solar systems and even more planets where celestials were born also add none of the celestials we’re snapped

Strange still stomps.

Arishem

WI Strange wins

@allhellkingdox: ...What? Are you trying to say the Snap only affected Earth? Because that's just not true. Also, we don't know if only Earth had a baby celestial.

I'm a huge fan of Strange Supreme, like he's one of my fav chartacters but yes the universe collapsing is kinda bcuz of his power but it's also bcuz he failed to change an absolute point, so it's not like he just straight up destroy the universe.

Celestials can easily tank planet exploding, so they could tank galaxy busting attacks as we saw a Celestial holding a galaxy, and Arishem is more powerful than most other Celestials, he can create black holes and go through with 0 problem, he created the first sun and brought light, he can telepathically communicate with people across the universe, and he sensed Tiamut's death, telepathically pulled Eternals from the Earth

Know the question is, are Celestials above the power of the IG. I'm kinda speculating but Watcher held his own against Infinite Ultron and I think Celestials are more powerful than Watchers, Strange Supreme fought with a team although it's his power which waskeeping them from getting killed. SS survived a galaxy busting full IG attack with 0 scratch, created a prism thing when his universe was collapsing, held his own against Infinite Ultron, resist the full power of the IG for a while, and he has the time stone. I think it could go either way 50/50

Not sure, but Strange Supreme has better feats like prolonging the destruction of a timeline with his shields, surviving said destruction, creating his own 4D space, absorbing a galaxy-busting attack and so on. Also, I can't recall Arishem having any time resistant feats, so Strange can trap him in a time loop.

Strange Supreme has better feats

Arshiem tanked the Big Bang, he stomps

Arishem created a black hole which is pretty impressive.

But I'd say Strange.

Arishem

Strange eats him.

Arishem caused the Big Bang...

Arishem has been stated to exist since before the dawn of creation and the singularities that led to the creation of the Infinity Stones, an event which was a consequence of the Big Bang he himself created.

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Strange needed the Time Stone to accidentally cause the collapse of his universe. Arishem could replicate the feat by creating the Big Crunch. Should be easy if he can create the Big Bang so casually.

Arishem existed outside of the known universe before the Big Bang and its creation. It would be unrealistic to assume that something which pre-dates the infinity stones would be affected by them.

Arishem blinks strange out of existence and everyone and everything else he’s created.

Thinking more this isn't a win for Strange, especially after the confirmation of Jemiah creating a galaxy (many people thought it was a star). He has equal feats for everything Strange has showed.

• Strange no-sold galaxy level attacks twice, Arishem scales Jemiah who can create/dwarf galaxies.
• Strange no-sold destruction of his universe, created a pocket dimension, Arishem already existed above known spacetime, so this isn't a problem for Arishem. He created the universe
• Arishem has many hax like Strange, since he is the creator of all Eternals who showed different kinds of hax, Druig telepathy, Sersi transmutation, Ikaris energy beams, Makkari speed etc. He scales magnitudes above any Eternal, and has a way better control on their powers than they could ever imagine.
• Arishem is smarter than Strange.
• Arishem can spam Big-bang level attacks as much as he wants, Strange didn't even show any offensive spells on that level. All he can do is absorb and absorb etc.

Arishem wins. Only problem here is time hax. Arishem most likely loses if Strange goes for time-loop, or time-stop. Arishem existed before time but he isn't above the concept of time. He is limited by time just like Dormammu who exists beyond the concept of time but still affected by it.