Ant-Man and The Wasp
Team Cap: Steve, Sam, Natasha, Bucky and the Black Panther
Random encounter
- No prep
- Win by any means
- Scott can't go Giantman mode
Location: Wakanda
Round 2: Spidey helps team Cap
Ant-Man and The Wasp
Team Cap: Steve, Sam, Natasha, Bucky and the Black Panther
Random encounter
Location: Wakanda
Round 2: Spidey helps team Cap
@tj849: @apex_pretador: @angeljax: @ithemanwithoutfeari: he can't go Giantman mode on this battle
@tjakrabirawa: He still wins
@tjakrabirawa: still drops buses
@tjakrabirawa: Yes he still wins because of the pym disks.
@anthp2000: 1. He didn't want to go all out on Natasha, 2. If he had gone big in Tony's suit, it's possible both of them would've died. I'm sure Scott wouldn't have attempted a suicide move and everyone was trying to avoid casualties.
He was more ways to win this though. Hitting his targets directly with shrinking/enlarging disks, throwing objects and them embigging them etc.
@tj849: @apex_pretador: @angeljax: @ithemanwithoutfeari: he can't go Giantman mode on this battle
NVM then. Team Cap wins.
@anthp2000: 1. He didn't want to go all out on Natasha, 2. If he had gone big in Tony's suit, it's possible both of them would've died. I'm sure Scott wouldn't have attempted a suicide move and everyone was trying to avoid casualties.
He was more ways to win this though. Hitting his targets directly with shrinking/enlarging disks, throwing objects and them embigging them etc.
1. Fair.
2. Why wouldn't he go all out before entering the suit? I mean, he was hesitant even afterwards about the whole giant man thing.
@anthp2000: Because going Giant was more of an endgame move. Each team had failsafes and contingencies, and let's not forgot that pretty much everyone in the fight was holding back.
Here, Scott can win by "any means necessary"
How come everyone ever mention about the wasp? she's got decent feats even from the trailer, like wings, blaster and h2h skills?
@anthp2000: Because going Giant was more of an endgame move. Each team had failsafes and contingencies, and let's not forgot that pretty much everyone in the fight was holding back.
Here, Scott can win by "any means necessary"
Fair enough.
Team Cap wins if Lang can't go giant. They've just got too much skill, and Lang/Hope won't really abuse the hax of their abilities in character. Falcon alone gave Lang a great fight, now he's got some very strong backup.
Ant-Man and Wasp are being overrated here. They had trouble dealing with Ghost alone. Sure, she could phase while no one else here can, but they are going up against some of the most skilled fighters in the MCU. They are faster, stronger, smarter and more skilled than Ghost was. They aren't going to be defeated simply by being hit while Ant-Man and Wasp are in their shrunken states. On top of that, this is a battle of 5 against 2. Cap's team wins 8/10.
Also, the reason why Scott had trouble dealing with the members of Ironman's team in his giant form was because of how slow he was compared to them. Making it difficult to land any hits.
@mister_surreal: Ghost can be invisible as well as intangible; people seem to forget the former ability when referencing Scott and Hope's difficulties in dealing with her. Plus she was a trained SHIELD operative.
@jack_hart: So that makes her more dangerous than Captain America, Black Widow, The Flacon, Winter Soldier and Black Panther combined. Right. Never the less, my point is still valid. Also, Black Panther's omnidirectional kinetic energy attack will affect them even when they are insect sized. I don't see how Ant-Man and Wasp win this.
@helloman: No they don't. But what's you reason why they win.
Team cap both rounds. And no one has talked about how Natasha beat antman. Even thought he was holding back that is still a feat itself. And if antman turns into giant man he’ll go down even faster because he is a bigger target there only chance is to dodge and run, but even then it’s more likely for team cap to win.
Team Cap with absolute ease. Scott & Hope's gimmicks can take down fodders, not a team of super soldiers and agents.
Spidey can solo R2.
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