Stephen. Agatha's feats are all "Wanda's fake feats" of reality warping where only thing speking of affecting humans is changing appearance of humans or teleporting them meters away. This won't affect Stephen at all. Agatha could do those feats having prep time or anything was planned by her predicting every movement.
@mama7: It never proved it's not reality warping because we saw her do it and there was no purple aura involved.
BUt didn't Agnes say she was actually making all stuff instead of her like this "magic tricks" show ?
She literally has proven that this Hex considered as "Sitcom subreality" by SWORD Agnes has proven she just somehow made some microphones, television making stuff, cameramen etc. to make a movie/show about her ?
THis everything makes sense why SWORD is perceiving that Hex as actual Tv show.
@mama7: It never proved it's not reality warping because we saw her do it and there was no purple aura involved.
I just thought of another thing.
Remember when Quicksilver was asking Wanda how she did it? Seems like Agnus is digging into how Wanda is accomplishing the feats, and controlling QS to find out more....It did seem like Agnus shows up after the hex is up, and Wanda did explicitly say she created the hex in the last E.....also Monica named Wanda as the one who took control of her.
@mama7: It never proved it's not reality warping because we saw her do it and there was no purple aura involved.
I just thought of another thing.
Remember when Quicksilver was asking Wanda how she did it? Seems like Agnus is digging into how Wanda is accomplishing the feats, and controlling QS to find out more....It did seem like she shows up after the hex is up, and Wanda did explicitly say she created the in the last E.
@mama7: It never proved it's not reality warping because we saw her do it and there was no purple aura involved.
I just thought of another thing.
Remember when Quicksilver was asking Wanda how she did it? Seems like Agnus is digging into how Wanda is accomplishing the feats, and controlling QS to find out more....It did seem like she shows up after the hex is up, and Wanda did explicitly say she created the in the last E.
Wanda does say that but she doesn't quite remember how she created it. It does seem interesting that she first took Vision's body first before bringing him back, maybe we'll get some more info on that in a later episode.
@death4bunnies: Yeah that's what I mean and we literally saw her doing everything like re-writing history when the bee keeper showed up and stopping everything and expanding her hex in episode 6.
@death4bunnies: Yeah that's what I mean and we literally saw her doing everything like re-writing history when the bee keeper showed up and stopping everything and expanding her hex in episode 6.
So why beekeeper seemed not to be rewritten in ep4 then ? What if this is also some plan for the tv of Agnes. She she made tv look like it reversed itself to previous event but actually it has been happpening as Wanda done nothing.
Jesus Christ don't you see it ?
So what now ? This is like calling anyone MCU lowballer after Far From Home movie where Misterio constantly confirms in promos snap affecting multiverse while it turns out all to be completely fake.
Agatha is just trolling Wanda's life constantly.
Before accusing me again of "constantly of lowballing" Wanda, because "i can't accept she is that powerful" this would make no sense to the story. Story is story, it must have some conclusion and logical integrity. Like in case of Doctor Strange when i roast Strangebots, because they can't comprehend context of it's movie plot ( i literally laugh at their Stephen wank )
"Sees Wanda stoping the Westview civilians from moving and also expanding the HEX with her red aura" but believes Agatha did that...
Yeah Agatha made that as well lol, the only thing Agatha did was creating this Quicksilver and also messing with Wanda's sitcom realities,
They will probably reveal whats really happening between Wanda and Agatha and how she manipulated/induced Wanda into creating this mess
Also if you play attention Agatha clearly calls Wanda a magical girl (even tho Wanda doesn't have any training) probably Agatha knows that Wanda's powers aren't just TP and TK from the mind stone
Are you talking about the screen transitions? Thats not her activating her power.
Everything single thing stopped
Last part is head canon. But we clearly see Wanda Reality warp in the show alone. On top of the fact both their energies are visibly different.
All thats been confirmed is that she’s controlling Wanda.
Moreover Agatha showed up after Wanda
Yeah the Air Dancer also stopped when Wanda stopped the Westview civilians and expanded the HEX, If the Air Dancer isn't human why would it stopped? She stopped Time then, that's an object not a human inside
"Sees Wanda stoping the Westview civilians from moving and also expanding the HEX with her red aura" but believes Agatha did that...
Not denying that but also Wanda having some memory black outs and making hex expanding what she somehow never had knowledge about it ( until she heard sth about ultron, Pietro, soldiers ). Agnes could also pull strings behind this.
Yeah Agatha made that as well lol, the only thing Agatha did was creating this Quicksilver and also messing with Wanda's sitcom realities,
Woow u admit it. I am impressed.
They will probably reveal whats really happening between Wanda and Agatha and how she manipulated/induced Wanda into creating this mesa
Finally sb talks with sense
Also if you play attetention Agatha clearly calls Wanda a magical girl (even tho Wanda doesn't have any training) probably Agatha knows that Wanda's powers aren't just TP and TK from the mind stone
Magician you can call anyone with extraordinary powers. i prefer statements for now from Sci-fi/scientific people, not some not scientific.
Asgardians always said they are just mystical guys while Jane debunked their magicality explain everything with science.
Are you talking about the screen transitions? Thats not her activating her power.
Everything single thing stopped
Last part is head canon. But we clearly see Wanda Reality warp in the show alone. On top of the fact both their energies are visibly different.
All thats been confirmed is that she’s controlling Wanda.
Moreover Agatha showed up after Wanda
Yeah the Air Dancer also stopped when Wanda stopped the Westview civilians and expanded the HEX, If the Air Dancer isn't human why would it stopped? She stopped Time then, that's an object not a human inside
What if she frozen device projecting that video making it stall ? You can't prove it is time stop.
To be fair, if TP's all she has then Strange's cloak could still just blitz and knock her out since it operates and protects Strange of its own accord.
Of course we know she's capable of far more, which we'll see in next episodes, so I wouldn't be surprised if she does stomp by feats. Honestly, in-universe though, I think Strange would be made to win. It's confirmed they use magic, and Strange is supposed to be the best at it. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if he could resist Wanda's hex and TP just like Agatha. I guess we'll find out.
What doesn't prove this was time stop so victory for me again.
Not really, didn't you just say she just slowed those people when there's no evidence of that as well? That people looks freeze in time, if she just slowed them down they should have showed them moving slowly, you're just making this up.
Unless you have proof of those people moving slowly since you're claiming she just "slowed them with TK"
The proof of freezing time still, the image projected behind Wanda on the big screen freezes just like the Air Dancer and all the people around.
What doesn't prove this was time stop so victory for me again.
Not really, didn't you just say she just slowed those people when there's not evidence of that as well? That people looks freeze in time, if she just slowed them down they should have showed them moving slowly, you're just making this up.
"Because looks like frozen in time" against this could be telekinetical freeze to great extend not time manipulation or we get that confirmation.
Unless you have proof of those people moving slowly since you're claiming she just "slowed them with TK"
And you show me the proof she stopped time by direct statements.
Yes i can't prove, but you can't too. SHIELD statements claim she has telekinesis, telepathy, neurological powers. Telekinetical freeze makes more sense.
The proof still, the image projected behind Wanda on the big screen freezes just like the Air Dancer and all the people around.
What could be making electrical device being stall. Official statement of having telekinesis in show >>>>> your personal feeling about time stop
@mama7: Yeah... because Wanda's TK it's so advanced that she can slow down technological devices like the screen behind her and that Air Dancer as well as those people (things she never did before with TK)
It's more clear that what she did it's more than TK especially with the next episodes when they reveal that she has actually magical powers since agatha is involved and it will be a salem Witches flashback from the WandaVision leaks
@mama7: Yeah... because Wanda's TK it's so advanced that she can slow down technological devices like the screen behind her and that Air Dancer as well as those people (things she never did before with TK)
What if it was ?
It's more clear that what she did it's more than TK especially with the next episodes when they reveal that she has actually magical powers since agatha is involved and it will be a salem Witches flashback from the WandaVision leaks
That's cool she has said to have magical powers, but still it doesn't prove to be time stop.
Fine, you could consider me as ignorant but i prefer official and clear confirmation Wanda is time stopper. From other side Wanda has put Vision's back to stiches controlling some of his skin or she could use telekinesis to fix whole furniture and home constructs into visually perfect state. If that episode 4 feat was time reverse as some fans try to tell so why Monica wasn't reversed too ?
As i said official statement of telekinesis from Shield/Hydra databases >>>>> your personal feelings about time stop.
Sorry but my "ignorance" is too strong.
Well leaks are leaks, speculations are speculations, but time in the end will reveal the truth.
What i understand Is that Wanda Is tired after expanding the HEX (that's why she's in bed with the Halloween costume) and the reality inside Westview starts to malfunction, that's why we see Wanda changing stuff again when they start to malfunction (Like the living room and the milk bottle)
@cruelrain: Saying that's magic sounds impressive, but magic has own limits regardless of anything.
Harry Potter verse, Lord Of The Rings verse, The Witcher verse has some magic rules, explanations. Or i will use that explanation: This is magic, magic always is as powerful as plot desire it to be.
They still didn't care to explain Doctor Strange's tricks in Ragnarok making him performing ringless and instant thought teleportation across sanctum, but IW and EG made his powers dissapearing somehow ( which would be insanely useful against Thanos ).
So that's why i am so skeptical and super strict to magic powers either in DC, Marvel, Manga or other our favourite verses.
The amount of reaching and logic leaps smh, Agnes has no feats, we have absolutely no idea her reach or until what point she's been involved, anything we say right now is just pure assumption.
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