@rebake: Well Agatha’s basement/lair is enchanted to be wherever she pleases so there’s really no reason that Agatha can’t lure Hela there to nullify the Battle taking place in Asgard
@pepsimax5: how are Hela's weapons not magic? They pierce almost anything but can break so easily. They're probably coated in magic to deal damage, not take damage.
@geekryan: I’m not exactly sure that matters. If you can use telepathy you can use telepathy. She’s only fought Wanda who has telepathy herself (powerful telepathy at that), and Agatha defeated her in telepathic combat
@geekryan: I’m not exactly sure that matters. If you can use telepathy you can use telepathy. She’s only fought Wanda who has telepathy herself (powerful telepathy at that), and Agatha defeated her in telepathic combat
Of course it matters. If she was willing and able to use telepathy in battle, then why didn't she ever do it?
What's stopping Hela from skewering Agatha? Being airborne won't save her from that, and Hela actually does do this in battle.
@geekryan: Because Wanda also has telepathy that is admittedly more powerful than her own. Agatha outskilled Wanda in the telepathic plane, that’s enough to say she can use it. Her not using it immediately against Wanda isn’t an anti feat.
@pepsimax5: the MCU is still finding its way with magic. Asgardian magic is poorly explained and blends with advanced technology in the first two Thor films. Then Thor 3 embraced pure magic more. I wish magic in the Thor films was more clear, like how Asgardians get their powers to begin with or how magic is applied to weapons. We have to do a lot of guessing, which can lead to some NLFs. Is Hela truly immortal as long as Asgard stands? At least with Ego we know why his avatar seems immortal. Hela's powers are visually simple but it's not very clear how they work or what their limits are.
@pepsimax5: I'm curious about the extent runes would weaken Hela. Would she also lose physical strength and become like a normal Asgardian? Be unable to create weapons? Would runes work on Asgard? I'm not sure how their magic would interaction and can't really discuss telepathy since I'm not sure about its conditions either.
But it does seem like Hela should win under these conditions where there's no prep. Having the fight on Asgard favors Hela a lot.
@geekryan: Because Wanda also has telepathy that is admittedly more powerful than her own. Agatha outskilled Wanda in the telepathic plane, that’s enough to say she can use it. Her not using it immediately against Wanda isn’t an anti feat.
But does Agnes need to approach opponent to mind hax ?
It appears to just be the wave of her hand, and she has blocked both Wanda and Billy out of her head in the show "you're quiet on the inside".
Maybe if she had prep time, Agatha could pull something off, but even then, Hela is a powerful magic user herself. Most Aasgardians were not even capable of reacting to her necroswords thrown, so I wouldn't put it past her to just stab anyone who isn't physically enhanced either. She would kill her.
@geekryan: Because Wanda also has telepathy that is admittedly more powerful than her own. Agatha outskilled Wanda in the telepathic plane, that’s enough to say she can use it. Her not using it immediately against Wanda isn’t an anti feat.
That doesn't prove anything though.
There is no evidence of Agatha using telepathy offensively, especially during a battle.
Captain Marvel can travel at FTL speeds, yet she never did it in combat.
Dr Strange can teleport-spam Thor around, yet he never did that in combat.
Wanda can rip out someone's organs from the inside like she did to Ultron, yet she never did that in combat.
I can keep going. Just because a character is capable of something does not mean they will do so in combat.
@geekryan: Telepathy is an offensive ability which is the difference. If you have it as an ability you can use it, but you’re right she hasn’t used it in combat.
@geekryan: Telepathy is an offensive ability which is the difference. If you have it as an ability you can use it, but you’re right she hasn’t used it in combat.
Agatha never used her telepathy offensively, in the way you are claiming she would in combat.
@geekryan: Because in this case she was fighting a more powerful telepath in Wanda. She could only engage when Wanda went for the attack and she proceeded to outskill her. I don’t at all see how the two abilities are different. Both have the exact same power, just because Wanda showed she can use it offensively and Agatha didn’t doesn’t mean much.
While she may have an advantage magic wise, she cant match a physical battle against hela's blades who were knocking around surtur to a degree. I'd be curious if agatha's runes could block her magic to summon the blades though.
While she may have an advantage magic wise, she cant match a physical battle against hela's blades who were knocking around surtur to a degree. I'd be curious if agatha's runes could block her magic to summon the blades though.
Hela's blades weren't knocking Surtur around. If anything, he was slightly budged and generally ignored them to finish his self-proclaimed mission.
@rebake: Well Agatha’s basement/lair is enchanted to be wherever she pleases so there’s really no reason that Agatha can’t lure Hela there to nullify the Battle taking place in Asgard
@pepsimax5: how are Hela's weapons not magic? They pierce almost anything but can break so easily. They're probably coated in magic to deal damage, not take damage.
Low toughness high hardness probably. I mean glass breaks easily but you can cut someone or scratch metal with it.
OT: Hela probably just stabs her. Agatha can win if she scales from WV speed idr if she does.
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