Maxima, Saturn Girl vs Emma Frost, Rachel Summers

Maxima & Saturn Girl

Emma Frost & Rachel Summers

RULES:

Morals off.

Random encounter.

PC/N-52/Rebirth & 616 versions.

No Phoenix force for Rachel.

Perfect teamwork.

Win by death, KO, incap.

The Emma & Rachel. Much stronger telepathic feats

Saturn Girl couldn't fight her way out of a paper bag....

Maxima has a better chance of just trying to blitz or physically defeat them then she has of matching their TP...and even then Emma forcing her into astral combat or locking her up so she can't attack is a very real possibility.

bump.

Never Heard of Saturn Girl before. What feats does she have to combat these two Omega lvl Telepaths.

One of the big 3 of DC's Legion of Superheroes (the others being Lightning Lad and Cosmic Boy). Mainstay of the team.

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/saturn-girl/4005-1273/forums/psi-of-the-legion-and-titan-pre-and-post-crisis-sa-2233827/

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/saturn-girl/4005-1273/forums/mental-legionnaire-dc-rebirth-and-future-state-sat-2237275/

Emma and Rachel stomp

Thank You.

Thank You.

i'm going to need some time to look over these feats. And then i'll come back.

BRB.

Maxima is a fine telepath but you have to be more than fine to beat Emma in tp while Saturn girl s just... Ummm, what has Saturn girl done that puts her in either Emma or Rachel's level.

She's on Rachel's level of bad writing. Likely superior to her in that since she's been rebooted several times and has still managed to job to weaker versions of herself.

She's got Emma beaten in being blonde, since pre-resurrection Emma is actually a brunette.

So yea...she's on their level in those 2 things.

But as I said, if she tried to TP herself out of a paper bag...

So, a composite of one of the the Crisis versions of Saturn Girl and Rebirth Saturn Girl…….

To quote a wise phrase,

They should have just said, composite Saturn Girl to actually make this more respectable of a fight for Imra.

She still would lose without much difficulty, but it’s a better fight than one version who loses most of her psychic fights (Pre-Crisis) and two others that are underdeveloped in feats, even with adding them altogether. (Post-Crisis and Rebirth)

@pyrofn: I'm 100% on board with your reasoning.

That said composite Saturn Girl gets out of the paper bag and then proceeds to get trapped in a hair net.

Wasn't Maxima like Superman-tier in her heyday and even traded blows with Doomsday? She had powers out the wazoo as well. Psi-beams, Teleportation, Telepathy, Force Fields.

See? Progress!

Most funny comicvine comment of the year 😂

Maxima can easily match there TP and physically destroy them to boot but Saturn Girl is a weak partner

Based on what feats?

@geekryan: she one shot Orion With a psychic biolt

also Shazam and suoergirl as well. . She's co Controlled the likes of Wonder woman, Over powered Dr Solaris with TP, Controlled the minds of an entire planet while a galaxy away. Even Managed to enter the mind Of Monarch who had Powerful TP Defenses up. she can easily match up

@geekryan: she one shot Orion With a psychic bolt

also Shazam and supergirl as well. . She's co Controlled the likes of Wonder woman, Over powered Dr Solaris with TP, Controlled the minds of an entire planet while a galaxy away. Even Managed to enter the mind Of Monarch who had Powerful TP Defenses up. she can easily match up

One-shotting Orion, Shazam, and Supergirl back in the Pre-52 era is not impressive considering none of them had any notable psychic defences.

Same goes for controlling Wonder Woman, which was Eclipso controlling her via Maxima. Dr Polaris has no notable psychic defences, and Maxima struggled to do so.

With Monarch, as soon as he realized she was in his mind, she got booted out immediately.

Maxima has never controlled a city, let alone an entire planet.

@geekryan:

Not true at all

She overcame Brainiac who was Amped 1000 fold and he had tons of TP Defenses.

Also overcame Booster golds Defenses when he was being controlled.

Brain wave and Dr Destiny two adept Telepaths fell to her as well. She is also adapted at fighting on the Astral plane which she can easily pull them

Overcame an alien Telepath who was said to be planet level.

Also she scanned metropolis in a second looking for someone for Clark

And actually yes Dr Polaris did have TP Defenses How strong they were not sure but she overcame him.

She also read the minds of a raging Doomsday and also two supermen at the same time she's more then enough to off set the TP of these. Her TK is also much stronger then there's and she can instantly telaport.

Her speed is also an issue here as she's nearly as fast as Clark.

Also Emma couldn't one shot High tiers like Thor who broke her diamond form. Meanwhile Maxima has one shot tons of high tiers

But again Her partner is weaker so as to the overall battle not sure.

1) She only overcame Brainiac when Barry disconnected him from his amp, reverting him back to his normal levels. Up until then, Maxima was losing.

2) I don't recall Maxima ever overcoming Booster Gold, and it's not like he has any impressive psychic defences to speak of except for barely resisting Maxwell Lord's telepathy (and that's Post-Crisis version).

3) Brainwave beat Maxima, and this was Brainwave being manipulated by his guilt/father. She recovered and took advantage of his guilt in order to win, whilst admitting he has more pure power than her. If she brought Emma/Rachel into the astral plane, she would lose. They have far better feats fighting on the astral plane.

4) I don't recall Maxima ever even interacting with Dr Destiny.

5) Overcoming an alien telepath that is only stated to be planetary and not proven by feats is nothing when both Emma and Rachel have several planetary feats/statements, as well as scaling against other planetary telepaths.

6) Scanning a city is something both Emma and Rachel can easily do. In fact, both have scanned the entire planet.

7) Dr Polaris has no notable psychic defences, nor does he have any feats against psychics except for Maxima.

8) Reading the minds of Doomsday and Superman isn't impressive, nor does it hold any value in a fight against other psychics.

9) Overall, Maxima is the strongest person here due to her physicals, TK, etc. I'm not denying that. However, as soon as her mind gets attacked by Emma or Rachel, she will have no choice but to mentally defend herself and will not be able to use her other powers.

10) One-shotting high tiers with little to no psychic defences is not impressive. Emma never tried to psychically attack Thor, she just tried to enter his mind.

Emma is pretty close to Xavier's level, and Rachel is not far behind. Both of them have even blocked Xavier's telepathy or have fought him psychically. The people they have used their telepathy on had notable psychic defences, unlike Maxima.

The motherbox is supposed to protect New Gods when mental attacks and Maxima took Orion out like a fly

Shazam part is true but she was causing physical damage with a psi bolt

The supergirl she oneshotted wasn't actually "Kara" that supergirl has psychic abilities.

Monarch caught her off guard which she literally stated left that part out. She also stated she could easily get back into his mind but CA didn't want her to.

1) But to what extent can the Motherbox protect them from mental attacks? Is it passive?

2) Her powerful were were the fake Kara's psychic abilities?

3) I guess, but I don't see Maxima being able to do anything significant to Captain Atom. AFAIK, Monarch has no feats involving psychics, and CA is quite limited himself, especially this version of him.

@kasya_carey: Thanks didn't remember that Supergirls TP abilities. I believe Macima perfectly able to compete in The TP department

You didn't address what I said.

@geekryan: don't really need to enough Feats by me and others show at the very least Maxima can hang which obviously she can so moot.

But not true that Brainiac was not amped the whole time in there fight he was for most of it. CV maxima respect thread gives several scans of that.

But again Saturn Girl isn't doing much

Uh..if I’m not blind, I don’t see a single maxima feat in miles 🙃

OT: Emma and Rachel stomp

@geekryan:

Here bestie for the mothetbox

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/original/11133/111338720/7433368-i4tuwdc.jpg

I’m not sure if Motherbox offers passive mental defenses. For what it’s worth it took Steel some time to figure out he could use it to block telepathy in the Morrison-era JLA under Waid iirc.

Emma and Rachael double team here for the win.

Maxima looking at Saturn Girl when she wakes up from getting jumped....

You didn't present a single feat, and I either debunked the ones you referenced or have asked you for clarification. If you look at Maxima's RT, you would see that she only beat Brainiac when Flash disabled the tech giving him the amp.

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/maxima/4005-10034/forums/queen-of-almerac-maxima-respect-thread-post-crisis-2084019/

Thank goodness that I redid her RT. The comicvine update that messed with a whole bunch of images is frustrating tk deal with.

Thankfully, Maxima was relatively short compared to most RT’s.

What are your thoughts? Can Maxima compete telepathically with Emma or Rachel?

As far as individually goes, I don’t think she could do anything more than defend herself for a brief time.

Maxima’s raw power feats aren’t on Rachel’s level and she does not have the skill feats to defeat Emma. Credit where it’s due, Maxima bypassing Superman’s defenses multiple times is impressive. Defeating Brainwave Jr through raw skill is good.

But we have one mutant telepath who has defeated multiple Skrull telepaths trained to actually combat telepathy like hers. We have seen her fight off ghost Jean Grey’s possession so hard that Jean literally calls her a force of nature. We see this same telepath create mental traps for opponents much more powerful than her like Xavier and Legion.

Then we have the other telepath who had so much power that upon learning her mother was dead as an untrained teen, she was able to emit psi-bolts Xavier himself stated rival his own. We then subsequently see her progress to the point where she is clashing with Charles Xavier and declared by him as the biggest threat on a battlefield that has a literal 1/5th Phoenix host. And this is all before she gets another subsequent amp.

It’s not a knock on Maxima to say she isn’t winning against some of the most powerful telepaths in their world. Especially since these two were the next ones declared most powerful after Jean and Xavier are off the board.

@pyrofn: So my point is indeed valid. I stated she could hang not over them.

Frost & summers

@whiteraven: Since your of the Alts I normally wouldn't care but since you so obviously are trolling i4 indeed Blind there are like 6 right there

Maxima is grossly overrated, TBH.

@frozen: He used to be super wanked back in the day. It was kinda ridiculous how much people were hyping her up as this super powerful character despite generally being meh by DC telepath standards.

@destinyman75: wut is up ur ass? I don’t like swearing nowadays but seriously u need to get ur paranoia fixed. Like idk how u came up with the assumption that I was an alt. Anyways, it’s probably Bcuz I went against u in a thread b4.

Anyways I mean I didn’t see any proof Bcuz for all I know, those are all statements made by u 🙃. U need glasses if u see a single scan.

OT: Emma and Rachel still stomp, even if u reduced them to half