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#1 Posted by benoma (193 posts) - - Show Bio
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Rules

  • Goku gets fully healed after every round
  • Morals are of
  • Win by KO/or incapcitation
  • ROUND 1: Manga and anime feats Goku
  • ROUND 2: Composite feats Goku (video game feats)
  • Fight takes place here (for the sake of argument goku can breath in space in this thread)
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R1.

Round 1:

EOS Toriko

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Round 2:

Toriko and white demon

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R2.

round 1:

EOS Jin

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Round 2:

Jin and Satan

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R3.

Round 1:

Toppo, limit breaker Vegeta, Golden Freiza

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R4.

Round 1

Asura, The Destructor form

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Round 2

EOS Asura

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R5.

Round 1:

Majin Dark Schneider

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Round 2:

Dragon Knight Lucifer

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R6.

Round 1:

gold cloth seiya

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god cloth seiya

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R7.

Round 1:

TTGL

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STTGL

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#2 Posted by jashugan (4042 posts) - - Show Bio
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lol what the hell is going on in this picture?

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#3 Posted by Gaoron (5500 posts) - - Show Bio

Stops at 4

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#4 Posted by Gaoron (5500 posts) - - Show Bio

He can make it to 5 actually if he plays it right with hakai.

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#5 Posted by JOVIOLMA (2296 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't understand why people like to see Goku dying over and over again.

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#6 Posted by Erkan12 (6928 posts) - - Show Bio

5.

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#7 Posted by death2heretics (6267 posts) - - Show Bio

R1: Stops at 2. Jin seals him, wo/ seal Goku stops at 4.

R2: Stops hardd at Darsh.

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#8 Edited by ElderElijah190 (1412 posts) - - Show Bio

He could statement or win against round 2 of 6. Not downplaying but how come gold cloth seiya is above dragon knight Lucifer or even God cloth via logic?

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#10 Posted by death2heretics (6267 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashugan: Vegeta was smoking that dank weed.

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#11 Posted by Rickthenick (575 posts) - - Show Bio

Hmm can't say where he stops at since idk some of these guys.

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#12 Posted by benoma (193 posts) - - Show Bio

@benoma said:

Rules

  • Goku gets fully healed after every round
  • Morals are of
  • Win by KO/or incapcitation
  • ROUND 1: Manga and anime feats Goku
  • ROUND 2: Composite feats Goku (video game feats)
  • Fight takes place here (for the sake of argument goku can breath in space in this thread)

Just letting yall know he doesn't have to put down Dark Schneider for good, he can win via KO or Incapcitation

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#13 Edited by benoma (193 posts) - - Show Bio

@elderelijah190 said:

He could statement or win against round 2 of 6. Not downplaying but how come gold cloth seiya is above dragon knight Lucifer or even God cloth via logic?

i think @thedarkpaladin should explain to you why.

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#14 Posted by Marshall_Long (5558 posts) - - Show Bio

Stops at 5, 6 if he's able to KO Schneider.

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#15 Posted by WhatamIseeing (505 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashugan: Vegeta was in the hyperbolic time chamber and the temperature fluctuations from extreme cold to burning hot

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#16 Posted by WhatamIseeing (505 posts) - - Show Bio

Stops at round 5

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#17 Posted by maxxc10X (476 posts) - - Show Bio

4 or 5

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#18 Edited by TheDeathstar (3602 posts) - - Show Bio

Manga Goku with Hakai and UI can clear up to 6 or maybe potentially get past it. Xenoverse Goku would stop at 7 or clear. MUI Goku and Xenoverse Goku have the best D.C here. If it was STTGL then I could see him losing but TTGL I don't think so.

Also, Majin Schneider is above Gold Cloth Seiya via feats and hax but he lacks stats to match MUI Goku or anyone near Beerus's tier and can potentially get erased by Hakai.

Jin, Toriko and Asura are non-factors here.

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#19 Posted by Amonfire1776 (1552 posts) - - Show Bio

Clears

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#20 Posted by ElderElijah190 (1412 posts) - - Show Bio

@benoma:

So gold cloth seiya is above Dragon knight Lucifer right? Yeah,i don't think so.

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#21 Posted by HitTheAssasin (5335 posts) - - Show Bio

Probably stop at Jin and Satan. If they're serious(which they should logically be if they're morals off), they can go into 250,000x limit removers and blitz Goku to hell and back. Jin could also just use his Gourd to seal Goku.

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#22 Edited by TheDeathstar (3602 posts) - - Show Bio

@hittheassasin said:

Probably stop at Jin and Satan. If they're serious(which they should logically be if they're morals off), they can go into 250,000x limit removers and blitz Goku to hell and back. Jin could also just use his Gourd to seal Goku.

Jin isn't' blitzing Goku, instead, he is getting blitzed here. Goku himself has a sealing technique (Mafuba), Ultra Instinct, Existence Erasure etc and can break through dimensions just like how Gotenks and Buu did when they were trapped in RoSaT or when SSG Goku warped a portal upon transforming. Destructive Capacity and Striking Strength wise Goku is far powerful than Jin Mori due to the fact scales to Beerus and we see the preview Beerus stating he potentially surpassed him. Jin cannot beat opponents that are above God of Destrucitons.

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#23 Posted by HitTheAssasin (5335 posts) - - Show Bio

@thedeathstar: Jin isn't' blitzing Goku, instead, he is getting blitzed here.

Umm, how about no. Jin(with 250k limit removers), is so ridiculously beyond Goku in speed it's not even funny.

For reference as to how fast Jin is, he's able to react to Yeoui's extension, which extended from the Moon to the Earth in the time it took a hypersonic spear(Mach 10-ish character had problems reacting to them) to move some 10 centimetres. That's like, some 1000x FTL. That means that Jin with limit removers is about 200 million times FTL, that's enough to blitz Goku along with all the GoD's at the same time.

Goku himself has a sealing technique (Mafuba),

Which he never uses ever and also requires a bottle and a seal for, which he doesn't have here. Also, how would that prevent him from getting sealed again?

Ultra Instinct,

Useless against massively superior speed.

Existence Erasure etc and can break through dimensions just like how Gotenks and Buu did when they were trapped in RoSaT or when SSG Goku warped a portal upon transforming. Destructive Capacity and Striking Strength wise Goku is far powerful than Jin Mori due to the fact scales to Beerus

Let's stop right here. Beerus' best purely physical feat is busting a large planet in one shot, that's not beyond Jin at all.

and we see the preview Beerus stating he potentially surpassed him. Jin cannot beat opponents that are above God of Destrucitons.

Well, considering no one in DBS can react to a full power Jin and his striking power is enough to damage them, yes, he can beat people at GoD level.

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#24 Posted by ElderElijah190 (1412 posts) - - Show Bio

Is a MUI goku vs jin mori debate arising now? Shit biscuit,come on guys,that's just wrong. God help us all from salt.

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#26 Posted by cromulor (855 posts) - - Show Bio

MUI Goku hasn’t even done anything except hit Jiren and dodge Jiren’s blows. The fighting style of UI doesn’t feel like it could do much to some of these guys. Especially TTGL or STTGL.

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#27 Edited by TheDeathstar (3602 posts) - - Show Bio

@hittheassasin said:

@thedeathstar: Jin isn't' blitzing Goku, instead, he is getting blitzed here.

Umm, how about no. Jin(with 250k limit removers), is so ridiculously beyond Goku in speed it's not even funny.

For reference as to how fast Jin is, he's able to react to Yeoui's extension, which extended from the Moon to the Earth in the time it took a hypersonic spear(Mach 10-ish character had problems reacting to them) to move some 10 centimetres. That's like, some 1000x FTL. That means that Jin with limit removers is about 200 million times FTL, that's enough to blitz Goku along with all the GoD's at the same time.

Goku himself has a sealing technique (Mafuba),

Which he never uses ever and also requires a bottle and a seal for, which he doesn't have here. Also, how would that prevent him from getting sealed again?

Ultra Instinct,

Useless against massively superior speed.

Existence Erasure etc and can break through dimensions just like how Gotenks and Buu did when they were trapped in RoSaT or when SSG Goku warped a portal upon transforming. Destructive Capacity and Striking Strength wise Goku is far powerful than Jin Mori due to the fact scales to Beerus

Let's stop right here. Beerus' best purely physical feat is busting a large planet in one shot, that's not beyond Jin at all.

and we see the preview Beerus stating he potentially surpassed him. Jin cannot beat opponents that are above God of Destrucitons.

Well, considering no one in DBS can react to a full power Jin and his striking power is enough to damage them, yes, he can beat people at GoD level.

First of all Jin Mori doesn't have superior combat speed. He is outclassed here. You are literally making speculations. Champa can react to Angels who fly at Billion x FTL speeds, he does that being in a completely opposite direction, same with Beerus.

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MUI Goku would beat Champa and Beerus individually. Jin Mori is no way near any God of Destruction or above.

Not to mention how Goku can literally erase him from existence on a spell.

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Secondly, that's not even Beerus's best physical feat which you claimed because it came from him fighting over puff-puff cake with his brother and they were doing it casually. His physical feat comes from DBS Anime where he is shown destroying planets apart which are light years away, poking them, threatening the Universe's fabric of space and time with shockwaves from his punches alone and so even with a physical fight with Champa. Jin Mori is not even close.

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You understand how much energy you require just to shake the very fabric of the Universe? Even ignoring all the statements, they were doing it physically and both with energy waves. Let me tell you, at least some Superclusters containing numerous Galaxies worth.

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You already sound ridiculous when you say Jin Mori would Blitz all the Gods of Destruction at once and has power comparable to them. Jin Mori is Herald level at best. Beerus casually sneezes stars away and destroys planets which are light years away while being highly suppressed. Has shown 3/4th the speed comparable to Angels who can fly and react at Massive MFTL+ speeds Jin cannot even imagine comprehending.

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#28 Posted by HitTheAssasin (5335 posts) - - Show Bio

@thedeathstar:

First of all Jin Mori doesn't have superior combat speed. He is outclassed here. You are literally making speculations.

How am I "making speculations", exactly? Jeabongchim is a technique that linearly increases ones power and speed, the multipliers are literally given on-screen and are completely consistent, unlike certain other powers I know of.... It's literally Kaioken on steroids.

Jin can use it to amp his stats by 250,000 times:

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Champa can react to Angels who fly at Billion x FTL speeds, he does that being in a completely opposite direction, same with Beerus.

Literally no where in this scan is anyone physically reacting to anything moving at billions of times FTL.

Fact is, DBS characters aren't the millions of times light speed monsters you think they are, which is precisely why Hit's 0.1 second time stop is so impressive in that verse and why Dyspo's light speed movement is hyped up so much. The only thing Top tier DBS characters have that is truly MFTL+ is their travel speed and even that's just the GoD's and the Angels so far.

MUI Goku would beat Champa and Beerus individually. Jin Mori is no way near any God of Destruction or above.

Horrible scaling is horrible. What proof do you have that Goku is faster than a GoD's mid-travel speed reaction/talking/whatever that's supposed to be?

Not to mention how Goku can literally erase him from existence on a spell.

He'll never, ever tag Jin with Hakai so it's completely useless.

Secondly, that's not even Beerus's best physical feat which you claimed because it came from him fighting over puff-puff cake with his brother and they were doing it casually.

Cool. Jin put out the Sun with the shockwave of his supermartialarts thingy kick, while exhausted. That's infinitely more impressive either way. Besides, it's not like you can prove those planets were above Earth sized and even base Jin could block a Jupiter+ level physical attack with one hand.

His physical feat comes from DBS Anime where he is shown destroying planets apart which are light years away, poking them, threatening the Universe's fabric of space and time with shockwaves from his punches alone and so even with a physical fight with Champa. Jin Mori is not even close.

Shaking the Universe happened due to the abnormal shockwaves which exponentially increased in power as they travelled along, as was stated by the Kai's and confirmed by the Earth not being destroyed, despite it being directly next to Goku and Beerus' "Universal" punches. Destroying half a planet with a poke is impressive for sure, but considering even base Jin could block attacks far superior to that(FCP's lightning blade) and Jeabongchim multiplies his stats by 250,000, that isn't even nearly enough.

You understand how much energy you require just to shake the very fabric of the Universe? Even ignoring all the statements, they were doing it physically and both with energy waves. Let me tell you, at least some Superclusters containing numerous Galaxies worth.

Abnormal shockwaves that aren't applicable in this battle due to the starting distance not being light years, but in fact only a few meters, aren't relevant at all.

Jin with 250k Jeabongchim still blitzes and punches Goku out with a barrage of Star+ level strikes.

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#29 Edited by TheDeathstar (3602 posts) - - Show Bio

@hittheassasin: I won't take you serious sorry. You already sound ridiculous when you say: "Jin blitzes all Gods of Destructions at once and has power comparable to them". You are clearly wanking him.

Let me rephrase myself. Jin won't realize whats happening around him and get one shoted.

Where is it mentioned he is that fast you claimed? Goku is above Gods who have shown BillionxFTL reactions. Go ahead.


The second he sees MUI Goku he is already dead.

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#30 Posted by HitTheAssasin (5335 posts) - - Show Bio

@hittheassasin: I won't take you serious sorry.

Concession accepted.

If you don't want to debate it, that's fine though. It happens to me a lot too.

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#31 Posted by Thedarkpaladin (22077 posts) - - Show Bio

He most certainly doesn't have a prayer of making it past any round 5 and up. I could honestly see him getting taken out by hax earlier if the teams play their cards right, but au'll be generous and stick with 5.

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#32 Posted by guleddos (479 posts) - - Show Bio

@thedeathstar: Jin isn't' blitzing Goku, instead, he is getting blitzed here.

Umm, how about no. Jin(with 250k limit removers), is so ridiculously beyond Goku in speed it's not even funny.

For reference as to how fast Jin is, he's able to react to Yeoui's extension, which extended from the Moon to the Earth in the time it took a hypersonic spear(Mach 10-ish character had problems reacting to them) to move some 10 centimetres. That's like, some 1000x FTL. That means that Jin with limit removers is about 200 million times FTL, that's enough to blitz Goku along with all the GoD's at the same time.

Goku himself has a sealing technique (Mafuba),

Which he never uses ever and also requires a bottle and a seal for, which he doesn't have here. Also, how would that prevent him from getting sealed again?

Ultra Instinct,

Useless against massively superior speed.

Existence Erasure etc and can break through dimensions just like how Gotenks and Buu did when they were trapped in RoSaT or when SSG Goku warped a portal upon transforming. Destructive Capacity and Striking Strength wise Goku is far powerful than Jin Mori due to the fact scales to Beerus

Let's stop right here. Beerus' best purely physical feat is busting a large planet in one shot, that's not beyond Jin at all.

and we see the preview Beerus stating he potentially surpassed him. Jin cannot beat opponents that are above God of Destrucitons.

Well, considering no one in DBS can react to a full power Jin and his striking power is enough to damage them, yes, he can beat people at GoD level.

Lmao, Hittheassasin went from wanking dbs to wanking god of highschool

Composite Goku with the Xenoverse feat should clear for sure.

anime/manga feats goku would be Ftl+ in saiyan saga scaling him up to dbs would put him around Gold clothe seiya in speed. Stop att R6. God clothe Seiya.

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#33 Edited by TheDeathstar (3602 posts) - - Show Bio

@guleddos: Yea lol its funny Apprently Jin can one shot every God of Destruction and blitz them. Next you see him destroying Universes.

Xenoverse Goku has Multi-Universal levels of feats by the way. He is too OP for this thread.

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#34 Posted by ElderElijah190 (1412 posts) - - Show Bio

@hittheassasin:

Easy mate,we know ssg goku obliterates the GoH verse. There is no need to be salty about things. I think a chill pill should do it.

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#35 Posted by Thedarkpaladin (22077 posts) - - Show Bio

Just going to say, I haven't seen a clear cut reaction or combat related feat from the GoDs that come anywhere close to billions of times FTL, whereas Jin actually has established speed feats and statements backing him up.

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#36 Posted by HitTheAssasin (5335 posts) - - Show Bio

@guleddos: @thedeathstar: @elderelijah190: Does any of you actually want to provide counter arguments instead of just spouting fallacies?

I clearly provided reasoning to every single one of my claims, I could also present scans if that somehow isn't enough.

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#37 Posted by Gaoron (5500 posts) - - Show Bio

@hittheassasin: First of Beerus leaved his nebula and reached other solar system in 1.1/3 minute which was calced at milions/low bilions times light speed so yes GoDs are that fast, atleast Beerus is. Angels are even faster with feats in trilions and even quadrilions times light speed.

Second, was Jeabongchim ever precisely stated to multiplie speed like Kaioken? You don't see people scaling speed from super saiyan multipliers because they were never stated to amp speed linearly.

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#38 Posted by Zokologue3 (613 posts) - - Show Bio

Hard stops at 1

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#39 Edited by ElderElijah190 (1412 posts) - - Show Bio

@thedeathstar:

Well,jin is supposedly a star buster,what chance does mountain+ level gods possess. Heck, GP alongside the angels get speedblitzed by the star level jin.

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#40 Posted by guleddos (479 posts) - - Show Bio

@thedarkpaladin: Since anime feats are available for Goku, Saiyan saga Goku would be sub-relativistic speed to light speed, and the mftl+ boo performed, that alone should tell Jins speed isn't enough to blitz even end of Z fighers.

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#41 Posted by Thedarkpaladin (22077 posts) - - Show Bio

Also, Champa merely detected Beerus' presence via Ki sensing in the manga, not with his eyesight. It was confirmed Champa and Vados were on the far side of the universe from their location:

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With that said, tje order of the rounds is just fine, and I don't mind elaborating if need be.

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#42 Posted by Thedarkpaladin (22077 posts) - - Show Bio

@guleddos said:

@thedarkpaladin: Since anime feats are available for Goku, Saiyan saga Goku would be sub-relativistic speed to light speed, and the mftl+ boo performed, that alone should tell Jins speed isn't enough to blitz even end of Z fighers.

When did Saiyan/Boo Saga perform feats on that level of speed?

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#43 Posted by HitTheAssasin (5335 posts) - - Show Bio

@gaoron:

First of Beerus leaved his nebula and reached other solar system in 1.1/3 minute which was calced at milions/low bilions times light speed so yes GoDs are that fast, atleast Beerus is. Angels are even faster with feats in trilions and even quadrilions times light speed.

Travel speed, which doesn't even remotely translate to combat speed, as you know. Besides, do you have any evidence whatsoever that MUI Goku has greater travel speed than Beerus?

DBS characters aren't consistently thousands of times FTL, which is precisely why Hit's time stop is 0.1 seconds and Dyspo being FTL is such a big deal and why the MUI Goku vs Jiren fight actually takes 1-3 minutes, instead of just ending in 5 seconds. If you can prove me wrong by providing MFTL combat speed feats for Goku, by all means, do so. I'm not a DBS hater, I'm just as hyped for Sunday's as you guys, just look at my username.

Second, was Jeabongchim ever precisely stated to multiplie speed like Kaioken?

While it wasn't ever stated, it is clearly shown. For example, in GoH, physical levels represent your overall physical abilities(strength, speed etc) and Jin's doubled the moment he used Jeabongchim, from 13 to 16.

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Then there's also the fact that his speed clearly increases proportionally to his other stats, with him suddenly blitzing opponents that he was previously shown to be slower than, such as in his fight against Jael Gal-Tek:

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Or against the King, who could outspeed Mori Hui in base(Jin's canonically weaker clone), but was completely blitzed to the point Hui was FTE to him when the latter used Jeabongchim:

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You don't see people scaling speed from super saiyan multipliers because they were never stated to amp speed linearly.

Jin's Jeabongchim is completely different and infinitely more consistent than the multipliers that were seemingly randomly signed to the Super Saiyan forms. Jeabongchim has clearly shown to increase speed proportionally as well. Jeabongchim is literally the Kaioken of the GoH verse.

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#44 Posted by ElderElijah190 (1412 posts) - - Show Bio

@hittheassasin:

You just stated jin could seal someone who's universal+ - multi universal level via scaling and feats despite the specific implored detailed aspect as to it been nigh on stronger opponents. Plus you think jin beats composite goku that has battled outside of time and space itself from xenoverse in ssj3 (a tip of the ice berg),goku oneshotted the sun in ssj at the cooler anime,hakai which is an existence erasure could casually manhandle GoH. The fact that ui is a form that obliterates some certain atom of speedblitzes to some certainty of tiers was opted out by you,saying jin mori could do some things i can't really spout out. Plus your calcs as to the amp jin undergoes in speed is just wrong.

And you're actually looking out for a debunk debate? No. Have fun with your salt that blew open recently.

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#47 Posted by guleddos (479 posts) - - Show Bio

@thedarkpaladin:

In the anime Picollo clearly had a timeframe of destroying the moon in 4seconds and anime boo destroyed galaxies overtime, that would require atleast MFTL+ to do in a year.

i don't think linking you the feats is necessary, you been around long enough to know which feats i'm talking about (apologize for my laziness but you'l have to search for them if you have no clue of which feats am talking about)

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#48 Posted by Thedarkpaladin (22077 posts) - - Show Bio

@guleddos said:

@thedarkpaladin:

In the anime Picollo clearly had a timeframe of destroying the moon in 4seconds and anime boo destroyed galaxies overtime, that would require atleast MFTL+ to do in a year.

i don't think linking you the feats is necessary, you been around long enough to know which feats i'm talking about (apologize for my laziness but you'l have to search for them if you have no clue of which feats am talking about)

The problem with assuming anime time equals real time is the consistency. There are other examples like Raditz outrunning Goku's Kamehameha on foot for a timeframe of roughly 20 seconds and he doesn't even leave the general vicinity in that amount of time.

As for Boo's feat, the timeframe of a few years wasn't mentioned in the anime to the best of my recollection - maybe the sub specifies. If we assume it took him a few years, that would give him impressive speed or DC, depending on how much of the galaxy he could destroy with a single attack.

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#49 Edited by HitTheAssasin (5335 posts) - - Show Bio

@elderelijah190:

ou just stated jin could seal someone who's universal+ - multi universal level via scaling and feats despite the specific implored detailed aspect as to it been nigh on stronger opponents.

While I'm not quite sure what this big mess of not-quite-english is supposed to mean, I actually retract my statement on Jin being able to seal Goku, mainly because I forgot characters significantly weaker than MUI have been capable of breaking out of parallel dimensions.

Plus you think jin beats composite goku that has battled outside of time and space itself from xenoverse in ssj3 (a tip of the ice berg),goku oneshotted the sun in ssj at the cooler anime,hakai which is an existence erasure could casually manhandle GoH.

I don't think Jin beats composite Goku. I was only arguing that Jin and Satan could beat Manga/Anime Goku, not composite. So please stop Strawmanning and putting words in my mouth.

The fact that ui is a form that obliterates some certain atom of speedblitzes to some certainty of tiers was opted out by you,

I'm entirely unsure as to what this is supposed to mean, could you type that out again, this time in English?

saying jin mori could do some things i can't really spout out. Plus your calcs as to the amp jin undergoes in speed is just wrong.

How is it wrong? Jeabongchim has clearly shown to increase speed proportionally with strength, as I showed in my reply to Gaoron. Even if we disregard that and just somehow, for no reason at all, say Jeabongchim 250k only doubles Jin's speed, can you prove MUI Goku can actually keep up with that speed, which would still be 1000's of times FTL. As proof of this, I'll just post an argument I used in a CaV recently:

Jin Mo-Ri was capable of fighting on-par with a and even outspeeding the prince of Natak. Here he dodges a punch from him and blitzes the 1st Crown Prince at point-plank range:

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The reason this puts Mori at FTL is because the Prince of Natak was able to react to Yeoui's extension without any notable trouble on his part after Jin uses it to trie and wipe out the Prince's army in one go:

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Now, in turn, Yeoui's extension is FTL because it was able to extend all the way from the Moon to the Earth in less than the time it took for a thrown spear from a significantly superhumanly angel to move some 10 centimeters through Han Dae-Wi's back:

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To further reiterate how truly short the timeframe was, Taek Jae-Kal (a hypersonic opponent, seeing as he could fight Ilpyo who ignites the air with friction from speed alone) had trouble reacting to the spears thrown by said Angels:

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This means that the Spears, which are Mach 1 with massive lowballing(Taek Jae-Kal was hypersonic before he absorbed the Key, which amped him massively and yet he still had trouble reacting to said spears), couldn't move 10 centimetres, in the time Yeoui to to extend from the Moon to the Earth, which puts Yeoui's extension at over 3600 times the speed of light. This is the low-end of the calc, all things considered.

And you're actually looking out for a debunk debate? No. Have fun with your salt that blew open recently.

I'm not salty about DBS at all. I'm enjoying the series a lot recently, especially with the hype MUI transformation last episode and how he smacked Jiren around. I just feel some people are unnecessarily highballing their feats.

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#50 Posted by Gaoron (5500 posts) - - Show Bio

@hittheassasin:

Combat speed was always above travel speed in universe. If you have proof that Beerus is magically an exception go on and show it. Not that Beerus lacks combat showing at this level as he attacked and changed places with Champa before he could react and Champa shown MFTL perceptions that deathstar already shown.

Never said Goku is faster, just correcting you that Beerus is in milions c range.

What does Hit timeskip have to do with anything? It's just a number. I guess Midora is nowhere near light speed aswell because he blitzed Joa in 0.01 second and if he was truly FTL he would do it in nanosecond. If you want to lowball atleast try a bit. Dyspo being FTL was never a big deal in the series, Toppo just said he surpassed speed of sound and light in the past, the only ones making big deal out of it are people on the internet. And seriously episode time? I've seen people complaining that episodes time doesn't make sense becauae it's too short seeing how much they spend talking during episodes, never the other way around like you are doing now.

Nothing says Jeabongchim amps speed by the number it claims. It's exact same thing as Super Saiyan, we know it amps speed but we don't know if it's linear. I don't see anything that supports claims of Jin blitzing MUI Goku who last episode blitzed Jiren tens if not hundreds times over, the same Jiren who blitzed 20 times faster SSB Goku who is equal to Golden Frieza who kept up with atleast thousand times light speed Dyspo.