No way in hell MC is faster than Wolverine. In Weapon X First class Wolverine combat reaction time was listed as .038, which is around 6-7 faster than the Average human finger tip reaction. That means if you were taking a reaction speed test where your respond by pressing a botton after you witness a light, that inbetween the time it takes for your mind to register the light and for you to press the button... Wolverine could punch you full boar six to seven times in the face.
And the idea that Master Chief is a better fighter than Wolverine is laughable, he isn't even on the same page... hell Master Chief isn't even reading the right book.
Master Chief vs Wolverine
When John first started really noticing his augmentations taking a noticeable effect, time literally slowed down for him. He felt as if the universe suddenly came to a crawl and he was moving a super speed. He accidentally killed a marine in a 3v1 sparring match simply by punching him and crushed the other guys arm and bones into dust. He had to train in 10x gravity or so for things to feel normal. With his armor, all of his abilities are multiplied." Depending on the situation, the weapons involved, the environment. I don't see why Wolverine wouldn't have H2H combat over Chief, even if Logan's been shamed before in H2H. If it were H2H, I think Wolverine would have a good chance of piercing the armor with his adamantium claws and tag Chief with a critical shot. I go with Wolverine on this, unless conditions in OP change. "
" @erik said:You are clearly missing my point. That is okay, I will explain it for you. The abilities you listed are unimpressive by super hero standards and nothing that Wolverine has not had to deal with many many times before.Well, if you haven't read the book then that's why you're not sure. =) "" Not sure how that gives him the win. "
No, you're missing my point. Read the books." @mattek said:
" @erik said:You are clearly missing my point. That is okay, I will explain it for you. The abilities you listed are unimpressive by super hero standards and nothing that Wolverine has not had to deal with many many times before. "Well, if you haven't read the book then that's why you're not sure. =) "" Not sure how that gives him the win. "
The magnitude of the feats are far greater than whay I've made them out to be. Unfortunately, I don't remember exactly how the author laid it out so I can't explain it very well, but I will get my book when I get home tonight and lay it out for you step by step if that's what you require. =)
" @mattek said:Not to mention that aside from than the gravity thing Wolverine has actually done both the things mentioned in that post. He has accidently killed some Hyrda goons while holding back his punches, and crushed bones and metal with his grip. On the gravity matter, Wolverine has fought in increased gravity as far as I could remember, but Leland increased his mass so much that the building actually gave out under him before Wolverine stopped." @erik said:You are clearly missing my point. That is okay, I will explain it for you. The abilities you listed are unimpressive by super hero standards and nothing that Wolverine has not had to deal with many many times before. "Well, if you haven't read the book then that's why you're not sure. =) "" Not sure how that gives him the win. "
No, you're missing my point. Read the books. The magnitude of the feats are far greater than whay I've made them out to be. Unfortunately, I don't remember exactly how the author laid it out so I can't explain it very well, but I will get my book when I get home tonight and lay it out for you step by step if that's what you require. =) "I understand your point. How about you provide the information to someone who readily admits he has only a rudimentary knowledge on a character? I am not going to digest several novels just to tool you in a thread. If they were comic books sure, but it is a general consensus that his comic books are lackluster at best. I am actually requesting information from you even though that is one slippery slope to scale.
I've read almost all of Logan's comics. He's by far one of my favorite comic characters. There is no debate here. MC simply wins a H2H fight to the knock out. To the Death, I'd give it to Logan." @mattek: Learn how to debate. All you're doing is treating everyone else like an idiot because they haven't "read the books". Maybe YOU should read some Wolverine comics? "
@erik said:
" @mattek said:
No, you're missing my point. Read the books. The magnitude of the feats are far greater than whay I've made them out to be. Unfortunately, I don't remember exactly how the author laid it out so I can't explain it very well, but I will get my book when I get home tonight and lay it out for you step by step if that's what you require. =) "I understand your point. How about you provide the information to someone who readily admits he has only a rudimentary knowledge on a character? I am not going to digest several novels just to tool you in a thread. If they were comic books sure, but it is a general consensus that his comic books are lackluster at best. I am actually requesting information from you even though that is one slippery slope to scale. "
What sort of information are you requesting? Strength feats? Speed feats? You haven't aimed a single question in my direction yet. I'll be glad to provide, though.
@erik said:You have to be the most irritating user active on the vine right now. You either are not reading my posts or are failing to understand them. Provide accurate information on the character.I understand your point. How about you provide the information to someone who readily admits he has only a rudimentary knowledge on a character? I am not going to digest several novels just to tool you in a thread. If they were comic books sure, but it is a general consensus that his comic books are lackluster at best. I am actually requesting information from you even though that is one slippery slope to scale. "What sort of information are you requesting? Strength feats? Speed feats? You haven't aimed a single question in my direction yet. I'll be glad to provide, though. "
" @mattek said:I mean, its gonna be tough for you to provide information, considering most of his feats are in the novel. Haha, do you want scanned sentences?No, you're missing my point. Read the books. The magnitude of the feats are far greater than whay I've made them out to be. Unfortunately, I don't remember exactly how the author laid it out so I can't explain it very well, but I will get my book when I get home tonight and lay it out for you step by step if that's what you require. =) "I understand your point. How about you provide the information to someone who readily admits he has only a rudimentary knowledge on a character? I am not going to digest several novels just to tool you in a thread. If they were comic books sure, but it is a general consensus that his comic books are lackluster at best. I am actually requesting information from you even though that is one slippery slope to scale. "
" @mattek said:I'm annoying? Dude, look at yourself for a moment. lmfao. My information is 100% accurate taken right from the Halo Novels. What are you not understanding about that?@erik said:You have to be the most irritating user active on the vine right now. You either are not reading my posts or are failing to understand them. Provide accurate information on the character. "I understand your point. How about you provide the information to someone who readily admits he has only a rudimentary knowledge on a character? I am not going to digest several novels just to tool you in a thread. If they were comic books sure, but it is a general consensus that his comic books are lackluster at best. I am actually requesting information from you even though that is one slippery slope to scale. "What sort of information are you requesting? Strength feats? Speed feats? You haven't aimed a single question in my direction yet. I'll be glad to provide, though. "
I mean, like a works cited page? It's not exactly the same thing as comic panel scans. Do you want Mattek to flip through the novels again and get you exact page numbers?" @texasdeathmatch: No. I would be completely happy with described accounts of events, though referencing the exact source would be preferred. "
MJOLNIR alone weighs 1 ton. A Fully equipped Warthog can weigh from 5 tons up to 9 tons. Chief can toss a Warthog easily. I've provided you with several other feats so far as well, but you seem to ignore them and jump on my back about irrelevant issues. I don't even see a point in trying to convince you." @mattek said:
Book : Halo Reach Page number : Wait till I get home. Happy? Sheesh dude. "That is a start. Now if you would start actually providing feats, that would be awesome. "
" @erik said:What other "relevant" issues and feats have you provided? Furthermore, you said that the armor enhances the users stats, meaning that the weight of the armor is useless as it is likely countered by the strength boost given from wearing the damned thing. Same thing goes for your other listed feats." @mattek said:MJOLNIR alone weighs 1 ton. A Fully equipped Warthog can weigh from 5 tons up to 9 tons. Chief can toss a Warthog easily. I've provided you with several other feats so far as well, but you seem to ignore them and jump on my back about irrelevant issues. "Book : Halo Reach Page number : Wait till I get home. Happy? Sheesh dude. "That is a start. Now if you would start actually providing feats, that would be awesome. "
*smacks forehead.*" @mattek said:
" @erik said:What other "relevant" issues and feats have you provided? Furthermore, you said that the armor enhances the users stats, meaning that the weight of the armor is useless as it is likely countered by the strength boost given from wearing the damned thing. Same thing goes for your other listed feats. "" @mattek said:MJOLNIR alone weighs 1 ton. A Fully equipped Warthog can weigh from 5 tons up to 9 tons. Chief can toss a Warthog easily. I've provided you with several other feats so far as well, but you seem to ignore them and jump on my back about irrelevant issues. "Book : Halo Reach Page number : Wait till I get home. Happy? Sheesh dude. "That is a start. Now if you would start actually providing feats, that would be awesome. "
Dude...I'm sorry but it's really pointless talking to someone as unreasonable as you.
" Read through the pages yourself. They are there. We all seem to be able to seem them. I'm not doing the dirty work for you if you're just going to discredit the feats anyway. "In other words: "I know that no such posts exist but dare not admit to it because it would be an admission of failure to provide".
" @mattek said:No, not in other words. Go to the Fan-Fiction forum if you're going to make stuff up. Thanks." Read through the pages yourself. They are there. We all seem to be able to seem them. I'm not doing the dirty work for you if you're just going to discredit the feats anyway. "In other words: "I know that no such posts exist but dare not admit to it because it would be an admission of failure to provide". "
" @erik said:So far, I have not made up anything. I have spent an entire page trying to get you to provide information though. Where are my scans? You said you would provide them. I expect them now." @mattek said:No, not in other words. Go to the Fan-Fiction forum if you're going to make stuff up. Thanks. "" Read through the pages yourself. They are there. We all seem to be able to seem them. I'm not doing the dirty work for you if you're just going to discredit the feats anyway. "In other words: "I know that no such posts exist but dare not admit to it because it would be an admission of failure to provide". "
" @mattek said:hahahahahaaaa. You get when I want to give. I'm at work right now so you'll have to wait." @erik said:So far, I have not made up anything. I have spent an entire page trying to get you to provide information though. Where are my scans? You said you would provide them. I expect them now. "" @mattek said:No, not in other words. Go to the Fan-Fiction forum if you're going to make stuff up. Thanks. "" Read through the pages yourself. They are there. We all seem to be able to seem them. I'm not doing the dirty work for you if you're just going to discredit the feats anyway. "In other words: "I know that no such posts exist but dare not admit to it because it would be an admission of failure to provide". "
Nope. You'll have em. Be patient my fan-fiction writing pal. =) I told you I was at work the first time I offered the scans. Please, like I've said, read the posts." @mattek said:
So I can just save my time and call you out right now as a liar and just forget about getting them posted? "hahahahahaaaa. You get when I want to give. I'm at work right now so you'll have to wait. "
" Wolverine won a long time ago "I'd say it depends on the weapons Chief gets. I can see him winning with some alien weapons or a rocket launcher.
" @Matezoide said:well,since the OP said nothing regarding his arsenal,i am assuming Chief gets more ''common'' weapons,like guns,instead of some badass alien device" Wolverine won a long time ago "I'd say it depends on the weapons Chief gets. I can see him winning with some alien weapons or a rocket launcher. "
" @mattek said:I don't think I'm insulting you. I couldn't care less if you were insulted or not. You make stuff up and that's fact. If you're insulted by that, my apologies.Nope. You'll have em. Be patient my fan-fiction writing pal. =) "I love how you think you are insulting me by saying I write fan-fiction. My you ARE clever. "
I've come to the conclusion that you are too stubborn to change your opinion, even with multiple people posting feats and such. Straight up question - are you willing to reason with and accept the scans I take when I get home or will I be wasting my time?
" @Decoy Elite said:The OP didn't say crap. I actually prefer the thread that was made after this one that got locked. I can make an argument based off the Plasma Sword, but I agree that an AR isn't going to cut it." @Matezoide said:well,since the OP said nothing regarding his arsenal,i am assuming Chief gets more ''common'' weapons,like guns,instead of some badass alien device "" Wolverine won a long time ago "I'd say it depends on the weapons Chief gets. I can see him winning with some alien weapons or a rocket launcher. "
Oh quick question, has Wolverine ever cut through a force field?
Since you are the only one who thinks I "make stuff up" then that is fine with me. Seeing as how you are considered by most to be one of the worst debaters here, it only makes your opinion of me that much less... valued. Of course by contrast, one would think that being considered among the worst would cause some sort of self reflection. I think it is safe to say that such things are beyond you.
And the opinion of people on the internet means exactly what to me? lmfao. Check yourself, dude. On most other comics sites, every single one of these people who rate me as a weak debater would be laughed at, hysterically, for their absurd arguments and bias. Nice try dude. =)" @mattek: Since you are the only one who thinks I "make stuff up" then that is fine with me. Seeing as how you are considered by most to be one of the worst debaters here, it only makes your opinion of me that much less... valued. Of course by contrast, one would think that being considered among the worst would cause some sort of self reflection. I think it is safe to say that such things are beyond you. "
Ok, how Wolverine won this, Wolverine is created with 20 century technology and chief with technology of the 23 century?
He is stronger that Wolverine, faster, better in h2h, i mean i like Wolverine, but he can not beat everybody, i mean is hard to sayy it, but Wolverine is not at an "Omnipotent" level.
And the opinion of people on the internet means exactly what to me? lmfao. Check yourself, dude. On most other comics sites, every single one of these people who rate me as a weak debater would be laughed at, hysterically. Nice try dude. =) "I seriously doubt that.
I have no doubt that you do not care about your status here on the vine and that is just fine. What you should care about is that no one really wants to even bother with you in the first place. You are labeled a troll for a reason.
Again, I am not your dude, your bro, or your friend. To quote an awesome movie, "I am your complete stranger". Address me as erik or sir if you must address me at all.
" @mattek said:Alright, bro. I'll make sure to comply with your requests from here on out, dude. Later, friend!And the opinion of people on the internet means exactly what to me? lmfao. Check yourself, dude. On most other comics sites, every single one of these people who rate me as a weak debater would be laughed at, hysterically. Nice try dude. =) "I seriously doubt that. I have no doubt that you do not care about your status here on the vine and that is just fine. What you should care about is that no one really wants to even bother with you in the first place. You are labeled a troll for a reason. Again, I am not your dude, your bro, or your friend. To quote an awesome movie, "I am your complete stranger". Address me as erik or sir if you must address me at all. "
" Ok, how Wolverine won this, Wolverine is created with 20 century technology and chief with technology of the 23 century? He is stronger that Wolverine, faster, better in h2h, i mean i like Wolverine, but he can not beat everybody, i mean is hard to sayy it, but Wolverine is not at an "Omnipotent" level. "He doesn't need to be that strong to beat Chief. The era of the tech doesn't matter either when you factor in the fact that Earth 616 isn't exactly at normal Earth levels. Wolverine's adamantium claws give him the possibility to get through MC's armor, and outside of his armor MC has normal human durability(despite his enhancements). Personally, I think it depends on weapons, but given "standard" equipment(AR, BR, and grenade) I'd say Wolverine actually takes a majority.
" @progenitor said:When John first started really noticing his augmentations taking a noticeable effect, time literally slowed down for him. He felt as if the universe suddenly came to a crawl and he was moving a super speed. He accidentally killed a marine in a 3v1 sparring match simply by punching him and crushed the other guys arm and bones into dust. He had to train in 10x gravity or so for things to feel normal. With his armor, all of his abilities are multiplied. "" Depending on the situation, the weapons involved, the environment. I don't see why Wolverine wouldn't have H2H combat over Chief, even if Logan's been shamed before in H2H. If it were H2H, I think Wolverine would have a good chance of piercing the armor with his adamantium claws and tag Chief with a critical shot. I go with Wolverine on this, unless conditions in OP change. "
That's interesting, I didn't know that Master Chief had trained in harsh gravity, very Vegeta of him, Lol. I've actually been debating on another thread about Master Chief, I have no doubt that he's excellent in combat, I mean, most of his great feats come from his usage of weapons in tactical combat. Otherwise, i've played the games and watched Halo: Legends, and it's hard to really bring up any notable mentions of H2H feats, aside from what you said about him and the marine. Personally, although I never read all the novels, I was a big fan of Sam (later retconned to Jorge in Reach).
" @mattek: Why am I not surprised by your followup post. All I had to do was picture a response that was not funny, not intelligent, and not witty and I had something very similar to what you actually posted. "Don't lie. You laughed, you loved it and you lost a smidgen of grumpiness for the day. All is well.
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