@nerdchore: did this guy say Doomguy moves faster than Samus LOL
Master Chief and Samus Aran vs Doomguy and Duke Nukem
@killerwasp: that and samus can't handle doom's projectiles. -_-
@nerdchore: -______________________________-
@killerwasp: yeeeeep. another one must be shown the light.
@nerdchore: Yeah but some people can't be saved ill post feats if he seriously is gonna keep going on thinking Samus is less durable than doomguy
@killerwasp: you might as well.
@nerdchore: Well I find when I do post feats the person usually ignores them anyway so half the time its not worth the trouble to dig for them lol
@nerdchore: Well I find when I do post feats the person usually ignores them anyway so half the time its not worth the trouble to dig for them lol
Samus solos
Samus solos
Samus is not soloing with Doomguy here. Doomguy has speed and durability advantage. Chief help alot and team one wins though.
What kind of Durability are we talking about here?
Like tanking missiles to the face durability. Not hardcore missiles but Samus will have trouble with projectiles.
Duke < MC < Samus < Doomguy
And he can run like around 60 mph.
You really don't know anything of samus if you think doomguy by himself poses a threat to samus.
Thats just my opinion but Samus can't solo Doomguy with Duke. Samus could possible beat Doomguy but that chart i made for whos greater than is for durability not overall. Id say Samus would beat Doomguy but not both of them.
Samus solos
Samus solos
Samus is not soloing with Doomguy here. Doomguy has speed and durability advantage. Chief help alot and team one wins though.
What kind of Durability are we talking about here?
Like tanking missiles to the face durability. Not hardcore missiles but Samus will have trouble with projectiles.
Duke < MC < Samus < Doomguy
And he can run like around 60 mph.
You really don't know anything of samus if you think doomguy by himself poses a threat to samus.
Thats just my opinion but Samus can't solo Doomguy with Duke. Samus could possible beat Doomguy but that chart i made for whos greater than is for durability not overall. Id say Samus would beat Doomguy but not both of them.
Your opinion is based on the fact that you have 0 knowledge on Samus.
@helixflameyt: your opinion is allowed. But when its based off of zero knowledge of samus it comes off biased. Samus is in another league from these guys.
Thats just my opinion but Samus can't solo Doomguy with Duke. Samus could possible beat Doomguy but that chart i made for whos greater than is for durability not overall. Id say Samus would beat Doomguy but not both of them.
Your opinion is based on the fact that you have 0 knowledge on Samus.
Comments like these are why I wish CV had a like button on comments.
Samus stomps
I really want to flag you for Necro-ing such a Spiteful mismatch.
@gameover: It was on the front page, although I wouldn't blame you if you did flag me.
Doomguy is irritating to debate with or against. He has no quantifiable feats. His enemies are basically fodder for they have no feats.
This is how I see it:
The first one to die is Duke Nukem, unless he has toon force. The next is Master Chief. Although he may be faster than the slayer in certain feats, the slayer has fought beings that are way more durable than the Chief, as well as being just as fast. And there would be nothing for the Chief to use to kill the Slayer, unless he has the incineration cannon, which the Slayer could also dodge while overloading the Chief with his microwave beam plasma gun. Samus, on the other hand, would be very hard to discuss. Even though a lot of her said feats can be contradicted, it is a fact that none of her weapons would kill the Slayer, or at least the one in Doom Eternal. For example, she freezes the Slayer and creates a dark portal to suck him in. The Slayer would just have Vega open up Slip gate portal in the way so that if he were to be pulled into the dark portal, he would just get pulled into the slip gate, in which he would use to land on top of Samus. Heck, even the wave beam would get neutralized if argent energy flows inside him. And I don't think that even the power bomb is capable of harming the Slayer since he had already tanked an explosion that was above 1 mega kelvin. The same would apply with the hyperbeam. As for the ice beam, IIRC, the effects are temporary. The slayer, however, would also not be able to kill Samus as result of her being able to achieve supersonic speeds, which she could use to create distance between him and her. I honestly do not know the durability of her composite suit as some of the feats turned out to be overestimation or contradicting. But regardless of whether or not those are true, the slayer would have no way in getting his hands on her or getting a shot on her. So in the end, its probably a tie.
I'm not sure this needed to be bumped, especially since Samus still solos, even if you restrict most of her common equipment.
@theasianman: now why exactly would argent energy neutralize wave beam effects?
@vjbthe3: if it’s heat energy, the argent energy would easily absorb it. If it’s not heat energy, care to explain?
@theasianman: wave beam is more electrical in nature by implications more than anything, however, I dont recall atm if there's any actual specifics as to the effects of it literally passing through internal organs unhindered. add to that beams stack and that's heats, ice, electrical etc targeting multiple locations with one shot
@vjbthe3: well, the heat is already nullified, that’s for sure. However, I thought that the electrical nature of the wave beam was only able to harm robotics but not organics. And isn’t the effect of the ice only temporary?
@theasianman: lol, no the purpose of the wave beam is to pass through multiple enemies unhindered. regardless of organic or inorganic. the ice beam is temporary... for aliens able to break through ice, dont know if doomslayer has that sort of resistance. and again these attacks and effects target internally as well as externally. this is just a basic weapon
@vjbthe3: well, I already said how heat energy is absorbed by the argent energy. As for electricity resistance, I am thinking that when the slayer was able to resist the power surge from the pure argent energy seeping into him, I am guessing that that is enough to prove his resistance against electrical attacks. As for the freezing part, could you tell me if these creatures that are capable of being temporarily frozen can only do so due to their physical strength or because of their cold resistance.
@theasianman: I mean, ok sure why not, he has electrical and heat resistance. but no, I cant tell you whether its physical strength or cold resistance. it's a feat for the creatures, that afaik, is unexplained. what I do know is that the ice beam freezes on contact,that's ridiculously cold, and it freezes internal organs as well, . I dont know if doomslayer has the feats to say he could resist or counter it... or even survive it. again, this is like one of her most casual weapons... and I just dont feel like deep discussing the plasma or wave beam. seeing as there's an easy shot with the ice beam.
Team 1 stomps. Not only do they have full knowledge, have 15 minutes of prep, but isn't Samus also the strongest one here?
@takenstew22: Yes, even if u put MC with DS they both still lose.
@takenstew22: Yes, even if u put MC with DS they both still lose.
Then it's settled, this is a mismatch.
@takenstew22: Yes, which is why I'm not sure why it was even bumped in the first place.
@vjbthe3: isn’t it only the metroids that outright die from the cold? As for cold resistance, the only thing we have on the Slayer with anything cold would be when he hunted down the 2nd hell priest, but that was just the setting and no direct attack. However, I am guessing that invulnerability would help him survive the ice beam attack. And again, we were just talking about wave beam. And if the slayer is able to withstand something beyond 1 megakelvin, how is plasma going to work on him?
@theasianman: as I said I'm not gonna dive into the reasons why plasma or wave beam would be extraordinarily effective, when I can literally just use one weapon to poke at an obvious weakness. and doomslayer isn't eternally invulnerable. so I mean the ice beam should be effective
and no metroid only have one weakness and that's cold, every other enemy is also effected by ice beam, and again literally freezing doomslayer heart, his lungs, etc with every shot. plus the wave beam, spazer beam, plasma beam effects. I'm not mentioning them like different options, all of these abilities stack for one shot. one shot is electrical, freezing, hits internally etc. and she has infinite ammo for it. and again this a casual attack which, doomslayer has no resistance to just one of its effects
@vjbthe3: I said that the Slayer proved that he could endure a power surge from an Argent cell as well as surviving a point blank explosion containing the heat of more than 1 megakelvin. And unless there is a quote that says that the plasma wave is hotter than any temperature that the Slayer has ever encountered, I doubt that Samus could use it against him. Same with the Wave beam’s heat aspect.
As for invulnerability, I’m fairly new to the vs forums so I do not know much about the terminologies, but if composite means the best feats for each character and being a nigh infinite skill, wouldn’t that mean the Slayer is able to use invulnerability for as much as he wants? This doesn’t mean that the ice beam won’t freeze him in place, that’s for sure.
Duke is being underestimated here. His equipment is far more advanced than Master Chief's. A Bloodlusted Duke is honestly a lot scarier than Master Chief. Chief dies here via Doomguy or Duke. Samus is pretty ridiculous though. The only weapon that she can't risk getting hit by is Duke's shrink ray. So she can potentially solo unless Doom Guy gets the Cube.
@theasianman: This thread is over four years old so it's not the heavily upgraded Doom Slayer that we know today here.
@mee09: i guess. Perhaps. But what cube are you referring to?
@theasianman: The one that was used in Doom 3 (I think). Samus can't survive against that. Especially when she has to deal with a Bloodlusted Duke and Doom Guy.
@mee09: Duke isn't be underrated here, MC with all gear including forerunner weaponry is scary. He one shots honestly Duke in the face considering his skill to do so.
@merulezall: No he's not the one man Army that Doom Guy and Duke are. If you only play the games you won't see that. But when you look in the actual Halo source material it's made pretty clear. Chief needs a lot of help to save the Galaxy and there are instances where he struggles to fight just 3 Elites or 10-20 Grunts and a combination of other fodder when he goes in by himself and guns blazing. Doom Guy and Duke especially (as everyone in his verse except his enemies and himself are made to be useless as not only a gag. But to make him look better). Stop entire invasions all by themselves. Their feats are far more impressive. Chief and literally every Spartan. Need literal armies backing them up to do the things that they do. They are capable. But were not made to be basically unstoppable like Doom Guy and Duke. Duke's health bar is literally his ego.
@mee09: Okay, so space marines need help and a lot of support for the 40k universe and so on so they are both below Duke and Doom guy because of this? No MC would mop Duke because Duke lacks actual feats outside of his games. His games are awesome and extremely funny, but there's no reason to believe MC wouldn't be able to do just fine. Elites and Brutes compete with stats and have overall superior gear to MC that is why, they are a threat. A brute can arguably be as strong as Doomslayer 2016 as they have casually pimp slapped people's heads off, out muscled spartans, fought spartans who were capable of producing shockwave punches in said newest armor, etc. MC himself has lifted far more than Duke could possibly hope for IIRC, and lacks movement speed, reactionary speed, etc.
Duke is like Gordon from Half life, very resourceful, very good at what he does, but without an actual team support he's gonna lose. Doomslayer with his most recent game is above MC mostly due to gear, which has always been the case, but I'd argue he could very well be stronger, seems a little more durable, and prolly overall faster. MC still beats him in reactionary speed, fighting skill, the glory kills are awesome but honestly nothing what MC can do, and possibly gear depending on what we give MC.
I mean Shepard needed a squad, but shepard with biotics again would mop the floor with Duke. That type reasoning isn't all that sound.
Doom Guy and Duke especially. Stop entire evasions all by themselves. Their feats are far more impressive.
This is only as impressive as the fodder is, duke's alien invasions would most likely die to the Covenant Empire.
@merulezall: You haven't played very many Duke Nukem or Doom games since if you think The Covenant are superior overall. They are actually the least organized considering Doom Guy fights the forces of Hell and there is no mutiny in the alien empires that Duke topples. Overall they are about the same featwise but Duke and Doom Guy have far greater numbers to go up against. All on their own.
You haven't played very many Duke Nukem or Doom games since if you think The Covenant are superior overall.
Demons have no space craft and it is shown that they travel in space..... Duke's aliens lacked any actual decent spacecraft as well. You aren't very knowledgeable on the Covenant then. Because it was quite clear why MC couldn't stop them as a one man army and neither doomslayer nor duke could do so as well. Especially if it was a non jobbing Covenant.
They are actually the least organized considering Doom Guy fights the forces of Hell and there is no mutiny in the alien empires that Duke topples.
Doom's demons have also had in fighting problems you see this in the game as well when lower end demons challenge the upper end demons to, so I'm not sure what you mean by this. The Covenant Civil War took a couple of decades to begin and was only sparked when truth wanted the Brutes to lead not the Elites.
Overall they are about the same featwise but Duke and Doom Guy have far greater numbers to go up against. All on their own.
Once more, just because you're on your own doesn't mean you're instantly better. I can again point out countless people far more powerful who don't operate on their own but are more than capable of beating both.
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