Marvels Heavy Hitters vs Images Heavy Hitters WHO WINS?!?!?!

People who MIGHT be interested, ill find more to tag, but just taggin the regulars! :)

@wut@kaijuking@cheth@cergic@mordhauextreme1@ahzek_ahriman@shroudofsorrow@army2442@six-deuce@firefly894@sirfizzwhizz @thekillerklok thoughts?

Ok a fun match to argue.

King Spawn beats anyone on team Marvel in one on one. Hulk being a non factor. Spawn is powerful, hax heavy more than even Surfer or Apoc, and can summon backup.

Supreme can match Hulk or Surfer, and beat Apoc. Supreme has decent hax, but more important Anti Hax resistances with his insane stats.

Robot can likely beat Hulk due to BFR or into space, and maybe even Apoc. Not Surfer though, though with both moon bases and 1000s of Drones he can for sure make the perfect distraction and support. He has good hax, resistance abilities, and insane numbers for Viltrumite level Drones.

Marvel heavy hitters - Apocalypse

Now that's a good joke.

Anyway i don't know much about Spawn so i can't comment on that but Supreme and Robot can't do much against WBH or Surfer, they'd just get vaporized in the end.

"Marvel Heavy Hitters"
"Apocalypse"

How so. Do tell.

Supreme vs anyone.

Last we seen of Supreme he was so amp he casually busted planets. Even before that Moore and him can bust planets and tank planet busting attacks. Hell they tank legit Black Holes in space made by Gorr the Living galaxy, and Stars. Also having legit combat speed and using it often.

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Original Supreme states to Moore Supreme that Liefeld Supreme was the strongest Supreme in the lore. Stated that all other Supremes had to team up just to capture and imprison him. Scaling well above Moore Supreme who needed Mean Supreme help to fight foes he couldn't at all.

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Moore Supreme slams Shadow Supreme, who is near equals to himself, to the Earths Core, where the swirling mass and thousands of miles of magma and liquid nickel combine with earths strongest center of gravity will hold Shadow Supreme for a short distraction.

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Moore Supreme states and he is shown able to causally bust planetoids as long as he is close to Light Speed. Also states stars can be busted too at these speeds. Stated flat out next panel that at lightspeed your mass is infinite and no need to avoid anything, you just go through them, and shown to bust a planetoid from previous panel.

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Supreme smashes Khromium through the planet, busting out the back side of the planet, and into the sun.

So Supreme is stronger, and has better outliers than Surfe or Hulk via Suprema. Supreme is far faster too.

Moore Supreme travels to the star Betelgeuse in clearly less than a hour time frame, more like a few minuets time to be fair and back again with Radar in tow. A star system that is 642 lightyears away.

Moore Supreme tags a villain who runs as fast as electricity, and travels through tv and radio devices. A villain too fast for Suprema.

The other and weaker Supremes of Supremacy show to have stated Nanosecond reaction times.

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Supreme in his fight with his clone is stated to move so fast that both men fighting look like one man spinning, and we see they casually fly in no time from New York to somewhere in Russia.

Supreme states himself as lightspeed in a fight.

Better durability/healing and consistency of said abilities than Hulk or Surfer.

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Moore Supreme and Suprema shows the ability to fly past the Event Horizon of a Blackhole and back out undamaged.

Suprema is vastly weaker than Moore or Liefeld Supreme stated so by herself as she has the same powers from the same source/origin, yet she shows a weaker version of herself can survive the absolute zero temperatures that freezes even stars.

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Khrom states and shows he has the ability to blast to the center of the planets and destroy them. He hits Supreme with this same blast to no real affect on Supreme.

Supreme is immune to the heat of the core of yellow stars.

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Supreme natural durability is limited to the molecular level. Molecular level attacks and cutting weapons can injure Supreme, and seem to be the minimum level to cut Supreme.

Moore Supreme is stated to heal his broken bones and damage organs, injuries suffered when he had no powers at he time, in a few minuets.

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Supreme in two scans explains when at full power his body instantly heals damage.

Supreme changing his body to adapt to the dimensional phase shifter that was tearing him apart.

I could also get into the Anti Hax powers of Supreme. He is resistant to time manipulation, reality manipulation, has use time travel to win battles, resistant to BFR abilities, and his main superpower is adapting to any form of damage. Also star level heat vision and Cosmic Awareness.

Spawn beats everyone here.

Spawn is step above them. With more hax and consistent use of it than Surfer can imagine.

Violator states the K7-Leetha suit is the greatest weapon ever conceived by the time Jim Downing gets it from Simmons.

Violator states against that the K7-Leetha suit alone trumps the power of the Demon, Hell Kings, and Angels.

Malbolgia states the K7-Leetha suit is at that moment with Jim Downing to be the most powerful weapon in the universe.

Stated that after Jim Downing lost the suit and Simmons regain it that K7-Leetha has changed so much to empowered itself to levels beyond Legion Spawn had attain, rivaling more King of Hells in power.

Spawn unleashing most of his energy that nearly cuts Satan himself half.

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In the end of the issue, Simmons has Leetha unleash all the stored up energy it has collected since the past 250 issues, and unleash it suicide bomber style on Satan. Satan is confirmed killed by this action, as the entire realms of Hell itself crumbles. Hell itself a galaxy like size realm of 9 spheres, and Satan who can help shape the universe much like God in power. Even Divine Spawn could not kill Satan, yet this attack did. This attack also drain Al of all his power for a time

Same Satan who equals with God in Power. Same Stan who created multiple dimensions and planets with sets of stars in those realms. Same Satan who can casually change time lines.

Lucifer can change time as he wishes. Even granting this power to his Demons to make certain outcomes in his favor.

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Lucifer created Malbolgia under his power, and all the other sevens levels Hell Kings. Malbolgia has crazy power as we seen earlier. Lucifer banishes Malbolgia with ease in Malbolgias own realm as a power difference. Malbolgia who is god in his level of Hell is blinked away like an afterthought.

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Lucifer under how own power created nine world size like dimensions, complete with outer space around it, with 8 Hell Kings that can create more worlds or manipulate time themselves. In Scan 2 you see the 5th Sphere alone is a solar system in itself, and the 5th level a clear planet that Spawn lands on. That is Lucifer's power.

Still not convinced of God's power? Then look at what is said and stated about God's power. Mamon wish to take God's throne, solely to remake the Universe as he saw fit. Stated the Throne of God alone can remake the Universe as needed.

Here it states God help shaped the Universe in its creation under his power alone.

Apoc non factor. Wank ass Hulk NON FACTOR lmao. Surfer still non factor.

Robot vs Hulk or Apoc. Robot easy.

Robot here has all his drones. Thats couple hundred drones.

Robot calls in via teleporter over hundreds of his Drones to contain the escaping Guardians of the Globe.

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Robot unleashes his Drone army to attack the combine forces of Guardians of the Globe, Invincible's Viltrumites, and Thragg's Viltrumite army. Multitasking the whole fight with all of them. Viltrumites are casual moon busters as proven, and Invincible had issues beating just one drone.

Robot's new drones durable enough to tank Invincible's best blows, prior to Invincible's upgrade. Stating in his best blows failed to damage either drone he attacked.

Robot's new drones are durable enough to sustain steady blows from Invincible Reanimen made from dead Invincibles. Robot admits he will be damage in a prolonged fight, but able to tank their blows for time. So not seeing Apoc or Hulk easy one shotting them by feats here. Even if we assume Hulk can one shot them, it doenst matter as their is hundreds and they are super fast.

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The super power villain Cho was so fast that he can land 100 punches in what appeared to be 1 punch. Robot is able to slow footage down by x100, the villain was still appearing as a multi image. Robot states this is close to Viltrumite Combat Speed. Robot is capable of using tech to monitor and see super speed in slow motion.

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Robot casually reacts to Outrun every battle. Outrun is stated faster than bullets, and can run across countries in minuets. So Hulk tagging that many be hard. Saying otherwise like hulk has same level superspeed is pure wank. Street levelers dance around Hulk. Finally there is sweet sweet BFR.

Robot makes a portable teleporter that shoots darts that teleport you. Hulk has no counter to BFR away being a non factor. Apoc can be pummeled alone. Robot really helps the team by simply being a great distraction due to his mass amount of Drones, Speed, and Durability. Able to deal with Hulk easy with BFR options.

Conclusions

Yeah nothing short of wank will save Marvel team. No matter how much wank one uses. LMAO

@sirfizzwhizz: How so. Do tell.

By having better feats, more damage output, better durability, way better healing, more strength i don't know why we are mentioning outliers but far better those as well. I'll post it all tomorrow after i sleep.

Although i don't know about Spawn, he is probably too much as i am not really familiar with him.

Yeah nothing short of wank will save Marvel team. No matter how much wank one uses. LMAO

How old are you btw? You have to be in your 30's or something by now.

TAEP

@underfire47: Suprema lifted the Universe and Liefeld broke her in a few shots. After Liefeld left the reality it was stated time and reality was coming apart due to his presence not being there to hold it together. Those are good outliers. Liefeld also use time traveling to change a outcome vs Loki. Flight, super speed, adaptation, cosmic awareness, instant healing, star level heat vision, ect with the super strength and durabity.🤔

Oh not to mention "CONSISTENT" writers and feats in a less than 100 issue comic run.😎

Hulk has shit on Supreme in outliers. You really need to try harder on the Hulk wins. 😜

Spawn just BFR's everyone

leaning towards image because spawn was going crazy.but i'm not sure with wbh and SS.

Robot has decent BFR as well. Insane numbers of moon buster lightspeed Drones too. Robot alone took on...

• Invincible (Invincible at his strongest mind ya)
• Allen the Alien
• Space Racer
• Immortal
• Atom Eve
• Monster Girl
• Monax (As strong as EOS Monster Girl)
• Tech Jacket
• Several other Guardians
• 30+ Adult Viltrumites
• 100s of Viltrumite kids

All this at the same time!!!!!

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At the same time, and winning!

Supreme here is casual planet busting on panel, and adaption powers, and super healing, and time travel, and cosmic awareness, ect ect. He would wreck Hulk and match Surfer. Surfer > WBH as well.

Spawn brings the victory home for sure though.

@sirfizzwhizz:

Last we seen of Supreme he was so amp he casually busted planets. Even before that Moore and him can bust planets and tank planet busting attacks. Hell they tank legit Black Holes in space made by Gorr the Living galaxy, and Stars. Also having legit combat speed and using it often.

Oh wow, Supreme is on the level of Hulk at his lowest anger, not as impressive as i hoped but maybe we can pit him against some weaker Hulks in the future.

Original Supreme states to Moore Supreme that Liefeld Supreme was the strongest Supreme in the lore. Stated that all other Supremes had to team up just to capture and imprison him. Scaling well above Moore Supreme who needed Mean Supreme help to fight foes he couldn't at all.

Nice but in terms of respect and statements one gets, pretty meh. Hulk is stated to be the strongest Hulk among other Hulks who happen to be casual planet busters, all of this while Hulk is on his lowest anger settings

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Hulk being a planet buster is something that's been confirmed many times in various books under various authors, fairly consistent, like the time Tony needed him to turn into the Worldbreaker and destroy a rogue planet that was heading towards Earth

Or the time during a lecture where it is talked about how mankind constantly builds bigger and better weapons each stronger than the next until we arrive at ones that can destroy planets like Worldbreakers, showing the image of Hulk

Or the time an alien being possessing a ring was searching for a host and scanned Hulk as a potential one, stating that he is galactically known as a planetary threat.

Or the time Hulk explains that if Banner were to ever actually lose control over the Hulk and stopped holding him back he could easily topple entire planets

Or the narration here stating that Hulk has the power to destroy worlds

This is all just to show that Hulk is indeed a planet buster even at his weaker forms he is considered a planetary threat of the highest order, compared only to some of the most powerful beings and most powerful weapons in Marvel.

Earth defense members state that Hulk is the original Omega level threat putting him in the same league as Kree Nega bands, Mljonir and even the cosmic cube

This is even confirmed by Reed Richards who states that whenever Hulk or Sentry or the Phoenix attack, it is classified as an Omega level threat

Apocalypse states that the energies he can get from Hulk could give him the power even over the Celestials themselves

Even Pre-retcon Beyonder looking into Hulk has found that there is no limit to his strength

Hulk isn't just able to destroy planets, he can also as should be obvious survive planet busting attacks, like the time he only got a nosebleed from walking through a continuous blast of Hiro Kala capable of splitting apart a planet the size of Mars

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The blast was so powerful it was visible from Earth

And even though it was not hitting the planet directly it was still tearing it apart

Or the time Maestro survived an explosion triggered by one of the strongest beings in all of Marvel, Molecule Man that destroyed the Battleworld planet but that Hulk had survived

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This is all important because Green Scar(including his WBH mode obviously) is the strongest version of the Hulk, stronger than any other i have previously mentioned.

It's important to establish this because of the beatdown WBH will give to Supreme.

Moore Supreme slams Shadow Supreme, who is near equals to himself, to the Earths Core, where the swirling mass and thousands of miles of magma and liquid nickel combine with earths strongest center of gravity will hold Shadow Supreme for a short distraction.

While one of the Supremes is trapped for a while in the Earths core, a weakened Green Scar jumps into a planets core, a planet that is about 1.5 times larger than Earth

I bring this all up because a weakened Green Scar, the portal actually kills most beings that past through it but more powerful characters like Hulk, Surfer, Thor, etc... get weakened by it and it takes a long time for them to regain their power

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he jumped into it's molten magma and despite all that, despite the pain he was willing which is unmeasurable at that point given the sheer pressure and heat of the magma as well as the

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Yet all of that wasn't enough to stop a weakened Hulk from reversing the process of the planets destruction caused by the Red Kings bombs plunged deepd into the planet and unbreaking the world

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Moore Supreme states and he is shown able to causally bust planetoids as long as he is close to Light Speed. Also states stars can be busted too at these speeds. Stated flat out next panel that at lightspeed your mass is infinite and no need to avoid anything, you just go through them, and shown to bust a planetoid from previous panel.

Hulk doesn't need any of those stipulations to bust planets, let alone planetoids. A weaker version of Hulk than WBH, while playing a game of super volleyball using planets cores as the ball(called Godball) breaks a planet with another Hulk and compresses a planets core until they have another Godball, note that he does not need the other Hulk to achieve this as it's established that these Hulks are planet busters by themselves and Hulk while only 0-2 levels of anger is already stronger than any of them.

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So Supreme is stronger, and has better outliers than Surfe or Hulk via Suprema. Supreme is far faster too.

He is definitely not stronger. You didn't post the feats here but i assume you are scaling Supreme of Suprema lifting a snow globe containing a universe inside an inch of the table. If that's the case than i guess i can scale Hulk of Hercules who lifted the entire universe

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And not only did Hulk beat the breaks of Hercules many times, he also overpowered him together with Jane Thor who was shown to be Hercules equal in strength

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While Hulk overpowered both of them just by flexing his muscles

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Here is the script confirming they were going all out to hold Hulk down

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Anyway you said Supreme has better outliers than Hulk? No he doesn't, if the best Supreme has is beating someone that lifted the universe, Hulk already did that and far, FAR more. I am no fan of outliers, in fact i find them useless but since you wanna go down this road, then i will oblige

Let us first start with strength, as it was already said Hulk has infinite strength, but not just in statements, in actual feats as well, first off Grey Hulk, yes the weakest of the Hulks, goes into the strange dimension where the material of the strange dimensions is made of matter that's infinitely dense

The matter is so dense even Strange astral body which doesn't have any physical form is still somehow too heavy for him to move, so it's up to Hulk to save him

A feat of both infinite strength and infinite durability for Hulk, if you think the infinite durability shouldn't apply here, well Hulk has another where he tanks a Devastator beam whose nuclear energies are amplified almost infinitely.

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The level of destruction Hulk can cause is several orders of magnitude greater than anything Supreme can hope to, whose as you yourself say best damage output is being a casual planet buster, while Hulk has destroyed entire universes, as was seen when he punched Onslaught so hard it broke the universe in two

If that is not enough Hulks clash with an amped Ironclad has shook infinite dimensions causing cataclysmic upheaval and unimaginable destruction in them

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Hulk has even managed to resist an attack that repelled reality itself, an attack from amped Vector who stated he was able to repel entire worlds back but not Hulk

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Hulks even managed to destroy Nightmares dimension

Hulk managed to even punch through time itself

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not once, but twice when he also punched through a time storm who not even Kangs machines could penetrate

Hulk has even punched a eons dark cosmos and illuminated it brighter than any star

Hulks thunderclap has even managed to overpower an attack and amplify it destroying an entire cosmos

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It's later confirmed again that Hulks battle destroyed an entire universe

Hulk has even managed to break the comic itself, when he smashed Gwenpool through the comic book pages, making him the only character here that can do such a thing.

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We have seen what Hulks thunderclaps have been able to do, but that's nothing compared to what he does here, where he thunderclaps TOAA/TOBA himself, the most powerful entity in all of Marvel

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I have no idea what on Earth possessed you to try and claim Supreme of all people has better outliers than Hulk other than sheer naivety when Hulk has both far better in terms of quantity and quality, with Supremes outliers only being the scaling of universal strength while Hulks outliers dont even require scaling but him outright doing things on universal to multiversal to infinite scale... I think that's enough for now regarding outliers, i have more but i don't wanna dump my entire load on you just yet.

Supreme states himself as lightspeed in a fight.

Supreme speed is all over the place unfortunately and he has far too many low showings for me to take him as someone with actual FTL speed, at least in combat. To use an example that scales to both Hulk and Supreme, lets look at his fight with Gladiator

We have seen that Gladiator has managed to evade Supreme several times when he wanted to and even managed to toss him into space before Supreme could react

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On the other hand when Gladiator attempted the same tactic against Hulk(a weakened Hulk btw), Hulk managed to react to him before he could finish tossing him into space, Hulk thunderclapped his ears and stopped him before he could finish the BFR

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So no, i don't think Supreme is overall faster than Hulk outside of travel speed, certainly not consistently. Not that it matter because WBHs abilities negate speed.

Better durability/healing and consistency of said abilities than Hulk or Surfer.

Yea except no, you don't really get much more consistent than WBH who has like a single appearance which is about as consistent as you can get.

Moore Supreme and Suprema shows the ability to fly past the Event Horizon of a Blackhole and back out undamaged.

Ok i am gonna stop you right there, you talk about consistency and bring up black holes which are one of the LEAST consistent ways to measure ones durability considering how black holes get portrayed in media. I have seen anyone from Thanos barely survive one to literally regular humans pass through them without any consequences. Hell, recently Ironman of all people has flown through a MASSIVE black hole that has swallowed galaxy worth of stars

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Suprema is vastly weaker than Moore or Liefeld Supreme stated so by herself as she has the same powers from the same source/origin, yet she shows a weaker version of herself can survive the absolute zero temperatures that freezes even stars.

Once again surviving absolute zero is is something much weaker versions of WBH have done, its even confirmed in his bio book

If that is not enough amped She-Hulk who was still shown to be inferior to Hulk and is much more inferior to WBH was able to survive cold that goes beyond absolute zero as it's magical in nature, created by Ymirs blood, the cold even almost killed Thor but She-Hulk saved him by transferring her gamma energies to him

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Khrom states and shows he has the ability to blast to the center of the planets and destroy them. He hits Supreme with this same blast to no real affect on Supreme.

I am not sure why this is impressive, also it's not that the blast didn't have an effect on him it flung him away, but more importantly if Khrom blasting to the center of the planet and Supreme later tanking that power is impressive, then a weaker version of WBH surviving this is probably mind boggling

Galaxy Master a being that has roamed the cosmos going around blowing up or enslaving every world he comes across

Using all his might he was unable to bring Hulk down, bombarding him with energy enough to destroy worlds

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He was only able to knock Hulk out using gas, which isn't a weakness that modern Hulk has anymore.

But since you mentioned Supremes fight with Khrom it's important to note that Supreme ended him after throwing him into a nuclear reactor, not only is is a funny parallel to how Hulk fought Gladiator(another character that fought Supreme as you know) but also because that nuclear reactor almost killed Supreme, in fact it did quite a number on him and he needed to heal from it for a time

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This being Liefelds Supreme who can barely survive the radiation of nuclear reactors, it definitely doesn't bode well for him, to survive the kind of radiator WBH gives off, hell he would get obliterated just from this

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that caused a continent sized explosion and took out a Celestial

And it's not like Hulk going up against Celestials is even an outlier for him, like the time his strength was used to power Dooms shield to hold off one of the most powerful Celestials out there, Exitar who wanted to destroy Earth by stomping on it

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Supreme is immune to the heat of the core of yellow stars.

Not gonna lie, that's pretty pathetic compared to a guy that can survive the heat of 100 000 supernovas

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Not to mention Hulks own temperatures that he can create, particularly in WBH mode where his clash with RSH incinerated billions of beings including all the Mindless ones, some of which are so resistant they can literally mine for minerals in the core of neutron stars and survive those heats

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Mindless ones can get to be really powerful as well as was seen when it required the combiend might of Surfer, Strange, Thor, Ironman, Vision and Black Knight just to drive 3 of them away

This is WBH isn't just a casual planet buster, he is way beyond that.

Hell i would even go as far as to say the heat that Sentry was unleashing in his fight with WWH is above that, even if the hyperbole of a million exploding Suns is true, multiple different sources confirmed that if Sentry and Hulk both had the power to destroy the planet there

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This isn't surprising considering Hulk himself has more energies in him than stars do, even while weakened and pre-WBH levels, he was able to feed Spikes being that consume energies of dying stars

They fed on Hulk for 7 whole hours before they were satisfied

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Supreme natural durability is limited to the molecular level. Molecular level attacks and cutting weapons can injure Supreme, and seem to be the minimum level to cut Supreme.

That's interesting since molecular weapons are not enough to really hurt a pissed off Hulk, it requires atomic or subatomic weaponry

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He straight up tanks being shot by it multiple times.

Even Corvus using a blade that can cut atoms commented on how hard Hulk skin is thick and super dense.

Supreme natural durability is limited to the molecular level. Molecular level attacks and cutting weapons can injure Supreme, and seem to be the minimum level to cut Supreme.

Well no as he has been hurt by other stuff, like the aforementioned nuclear reactors. Either way Hulks attacks far surpass any of that.

Moore Supreme is stated to heal his broken bones and damage organs, injuries suffered when he had no powers at he time, in a few minuets.

Hulk who was cut up while he was still Banner and dead, manages to not only revive himself but heals up instantly while cut up in dozens of pieces in an instant

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Supreme in two scans explains when at full power his body instantly heals damage.

Hulk has his body overloaded by Leader(who had the power of TOBA at the time) posing as Rick Jones, Hulk literally explodes and his body is disintegrated but he heals instantly on the next page

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I dunno what possessed you to think Supreme has better healing than Hulk, but he doesn't, not even close the wounds Supreme has healed can't even compare to the ones Hulk has.

Robot vs Hulk or Apoc. Robot easy.

Yea but no, Robot is shit to Hulk honestly, just being near WBH would kill him. I don't even need to go down by feats everything i posted above is enough. But here WBH just releases enough gamma that destroyed a planet and incinerated billions of beings and incinerates Robot and all his drones

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Or Surfer can use many of his powerful abilities and also just obliterate Robot and all his drones like the time he destroyed a planet just a lesson to Ravenous

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Or he can shut down robot and all the drines, since he has shown the ability to shut down all the machines on a planetary scale

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This really isn't even a fight, the guys literally created stars out of nothing while WEAKENED

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If that is not enough he did it twice

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I mean there are a million things Surfer can do, he has so much power and versatility. I aint even gonna bother going through it all, needless to say Robot is fucked, Supreme is fucked too if he decides to go against him. Both are fucked against Surfer and WBH, the only problem is Spawn who i am not that familiar with.

Anyway what i am interested in the most is WBH vs Supreme, if you wanna continue just tell me, for every Supreme feat of every type i have at least a handful of the same type of feats Hulk has produced that are on or above that level, as i have shown above.

Yea and so did Hercules and Hulk overpowered him and Jane Thor a the same time just by flexing his muscles. I dunno how that is suppose to relate to combat, but Hulk almost destroyed 2 universes by splitting himself and existing in both. Maybe he can time travel to avoid this fight with Hulk, or Hulk can just break time and grab him as he does like he did with Zarrrko. Yea and none of it on the level of Hulk or Surfer here.

I mean he isn't that consistent, but sure, WBH is still the most consistent one here lol.

By shit, if you mean he has a shit ton more outliers than Supreme, then yes. Cause you posted 1 outlier i posted at least 13.

@underfire47:Oh boy where to begin...

Oh wow, Supreme is on the level of Hulk at his lowest anger, not as impressive as i hoped but maybe we can pit him against some weaker Hulks in the future.

I see bias and hypocritical statements, unless you accept what I am about to lay down heheheheh.

I want no back tracking from your smart ass with this.

Nice but in terms of respect and statements one gets, pretty meh. Hulk is stated to be the strongest Hulk among other Hulks who happen to be casual planet busters, all of this while Hulk is on his lowest anger settings

Hulk being a planet buster is something that's been confirmed many times in various books under various authors, fairly consistent, like the time Tony needed him to turn into the Worldbreaker and destroy a rogue planet that was heading towards Earth

Or the time during a lecture where it is talked about how mankind constantly builds bigger and better weapons each stronger than the next until we arrive at ones that can destroy planets like Worldbreakers, showing the image of Hulk

Or the time an alien being possessing a ring was searching for a host and scanned Hulk as a potential one, stating that he is galactically known as a planetary threat.

Or the time Hulk explains that if Banner were to ever actually lose control over the Hulk and stopped holding him back he could easily topple entire planets

Or the narration here stating that Hulk has the power to destroy worlds

This is all just to show that Hulk is indeed a planet buster even at his weaker forms he is considered a planetary threat of the highest order, compared only to some of the most powerful beings and most powerful weapons in Marvel.

Earth defense members state that Hulk is the original Omega level threat putting him in the same league as Kree Nega bands, Mljonir and even the cosmic cube

This is even confirmed by Reed Richards who states that whenever Hulk or Sentry or the Phoenix attack, it is classified as an Omega level threat

Apocalypse states that the energies he can get from Hulk could give him the power even over the Celestials themselves

Even Pre-retcon Beyonder looking into Hulk has found that there is no limit to his strength

Oh so hyperbole statements are allowed. Thats what all these are, empty statements. Ok ok, I will remember this. Lets see...

Supreme power derives from his molecular control of his body. Able to change his body to become the strongest being.

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When time was change in the Civil War, Supreme of the present notice the change in the world and history. Retaining his memories fine. Stated this may be due to his knowledge of Comic Revisions that happen to him.

Supreme when weaken and nearly defeated by powerful foes was stated able to time travel to the future to escape, and then time travel back as needed to change the time line and win.

Stated all Supremes can survive physics bubbling down to chaos of clashing timelines and changes in timeline.

Moore Supreme can will himself past reality that contains all knowledge and existence.

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Moore Supreme is able to survive reality warping and reverse its effects in very short time frame to continue a fight against the reality warping villain while falling through time.

Stated without a Supreme in the universe the Supreme universes and time itself will die. Supreme is the key being for the Universe to exist. A cosmic being of the highest hierarchy.

Suprema who states herself weaker to Moore Supreme, and proven when beaten near death by Mean Supreme, she is able to mend a rip in the universes edges.

Suprema lifts the weight of her own universe put into a snow globe by a magical wish granting genie.

Hulk isn't just able to destroy planets, he can also as should be obvious survive planet busting attacks, like the time he only got a nosebleed from walking through a continuous blast of Hiro Kala capable of splitting apart a planet the size of Mars

The blast was so powerful it was visible from Earth

And even though it was not hitting the planet directly it was still tearing it apart

Or the time Maestro survived an explosion triggered by one of the strongest beings in all of Marvel, Molecule Man that destroyed the Battleworld planet but that Hulk had survived

This is all important because Green Scar(including his WBH mode obviously) is the strongest version of the Hulk, stronger than any other i have previously mentioned.

Yawn.....

It's important to establish this because of the beatdown WBH will give to Supreme.

Yeah sure... whatever you say.

I have no idea what on Earth possessed you to try and claim Supreme of all people has better outliers than Hulk other than sheer naivety when Hulk has both far better in terms of quantity and quality, with Supremes outliers only being the scaling of universal strength while Hulks outliers dont even require scaling but him outright doing things on universal to multiversal to infinite scale... I think that's enough for now regarding outliers, i have more but i don't wanna dump my entire load on you just yet.

Supreme outliers are more consistent and multiversal as well things like concepts of time and reality that Hulk cannot touch. Nice try.

Supreme speed is all over the place unfortunately and he has far too many low showings for me to take him as someone with actual FTL speed, at least in combat. To use an example that scales to both Hulk and Supreme, lets look at his fight with Gladiator

Says the guy defending Hulk who been unable to tag street level and slow ass sub sonic bricks multiple times. Riiiiight....

So no, i don't think Supreme is overall faster than Hulk outside of travel speed, certainly not consistently. Not that it matter because WBHs abilities negate speed.

LMAO really? hulk has several speed feats in 1000s of comics at a time. Supreme has them in spades in less than 100 comic issues. Your full of shit now. Bias bias bias as hell. Got ya!

Supreme states faster than light ion fights. Hulk doesnt have any FTL fighting statements. GTHO lmao...

Sucks for your ass Official Marvel Bios place hulk topping out at sub sonic lmao.

Yea except no, you don't really get much more consistent than WBH who has like a single appearance which is about as consistent as you can get.

Wrong since Hulk has other appearances and the WB clearly is not consistent with universe busting or beating the TOAA as your lying butts claim lol. Debunk your own damn self. Good job.

Ok i am gonna stop you right there, you talk about consistency and bring up black holes which are one of the LEAST consistent ways to measure ones durability considering how black holes get portrayed in media. I have seen anyone from Thanos barely survive one to literally regular humans pass through them without any consequences. Hell, recently Ironman of all people has flown through a MASSIVE black hole that has swallowed galaxy worth of stars

You want to talk consistency after the nonsense you wrote?

Anyway what i am interested in the most is WBH vs Supreme, if you wanna continue just tell me, for every Supreme feat of every type i have at least a handful of the same type of feats Hulk has produced that are on or above that level, as i have shown above.

I can continue fine. Its hilarious how much time and energy you wasted to dig out couple dozen outliers that preetty much align to Supremes own.

• Supreme can time travel and does so to win. Hulk cant.
• Supreme is the reason the Suprema verses, plural, exist. Hulk is a bitch boy and cog in the machine.
• Supreme is reason time exist due to his presence.
• Supreme can push past reality and will himself beyond to the point breaking 4th wall and talking shop with his comic creator. Hulk cant. Thats a one up over OAA, who is below their comic writer, feat you mention. Ohhhhh...
• Suprema the weakest one by large margined was already mending universe rips together and lifting universes. Putting the weakest Supreme on par with WBH at best.

You aint got shit mate. Nice waste of effort, aint got shit.

This Marvel team is wack. Apoc is real bad as people already know. Annihilation Surfer was basically morals off Surfer by the standards of that arc so realistically this should just end in him nuking the surrounding everything and causing yet another black hole in the galaxy thanks to him again. Maybe if the stars align we might get the indie guys a win if Spawn steps up and throws out hax but he's too slow to do much here. Supreme seems to be way too inconsistent to be taken seriously, which was half of the intended purpose given he's supposed to be a parody of shticky Sliver Age stuff.

Thats not how consistency works. you can show 1000 outliers, and that still pales to the dozens of official bios, and 10,000+ 616 Hulk appearances in comics. Meanwhile Supreme has under 100 issues with dozen examples. Thats consistency. LMAo.

Also how is Spawn too slow when he can freeze time?

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??? That Marvel bias Professor lol.

Your guys idea of consistency is funny. Somehow 1000s more comic issues with only handful of outliers is more consistent than less than a 100 with dozen outliers?

Also how is a character who is meant to be silly and silver age nonsense levels losing to Hulk who is meant to be taken seriously and 99% time written less than planet level in over 10,000 comics losing because he is not Marvel pretty much!?

@blaze-: @akz: @cergic: @thenamelessone: @masterofmatches: @thenamelessone: @kriegastartes: @chris2kzombieki: @deathhero61: What you think?

I don't think you understand what i said there. WBH has only one real appearance and in that appearance he is 100% consistent, as in he doesn't appear anywhere else and jobs or does something else. Also what you just said doesn't make sense lol. How is it not consistent to have 1000 similar feats in 10 000 appearances but it is consistent to have a dozen examples in less than 100 issues? Either both are consistent or both aren't, percentage wise they are similar.

@underfire47:

I don't think you understand what i said there.

No you dont seem to understand what I said.

WBH has only one appearance and it that appearance he is 100% consistent, as in he doesn't appear anywhere else and jobs or does something else.

Nor does that version do anything close in statements or abilities to weaker versions.

Also what you just said doesn't make sense lol. How is it not consistent to have 1000 similar feats in 10 000 appearances but it is consistent to have a dozen examples in less than 100 issues?

You have how many feats of Hulk being a universe or beyond buster? maybe 10 or 12 out of 10,000 appearances? There is at least 7 for supreme characters in like 90 something appearances. Math says....

Either both are consistent or both aren't, percentage wise they are similar.

not by actual match.... but in the end I am willing to agree Outliers are just that. both are planet busters and both can survive celestial objects (Stars and Black Holes). Thats fair. However Supreme has the clear super speed advantage, time travel, energy absorption (radiation in this case), range options/attacks, and cosmic awareness to know everything about Hulk. Thats benefits. Swinging in supreme favor.

I have been wearing that one out. I wont anymore. Not for awhile anyway.

He still has to react to activate it, which against a morals off Surfer...yeah he's not getting the chance, and Spawn isn't going to go to time stop as his #1 top move in a random encounter with nothing to go off. We all know how fast Surfer is when he's not morals on and trying to play with kid gloves.

Thing is how is this hurting Spawn? Or when has Surfer even morals off nuke a galaxy? I know MFTL Supreme can outrun it. Supreme should know about it too with his Know Everything powers. Or just will through it and adapt. He is Silver Age Supes after all.

50% this thread;

Spawn states

Supreme states

Satan states

Namor states

Superman states

Moore states

@sirfizzwhizz: Depends, are we wanking outliers? Or going with consistent showings... If what's implied above the specific version of marvel characters, then maybe marvel? I don't know enough about image. I know Suprema has a uni feat. I'm pretty sure Hulk was threatening the dark dimension as world breaker? I'm trying to leave marvel high tier arguments tho.

@professorrespect: this Spawn, King Spawn, is stronger than Hell King or Omega Spawn. He litteraly temp killed Satan who created dimensions with multpke stars in it and his equal God who made endless abyss Dimension for one of the Heavens levels, help shape and can remake the Universe. King Spawn using ALL his power killed Satan and sealed off Hell completly. Heaven sealed too. He also ripped time and space to merge, push, and pull timelines from the other Spawn comics.

As for Black Hole he should be fine. His main power is the Black. Anything dark he can teleport in and out off through the unique Black universe connected too all other dimensions and out universe via darkness.

Within the black he can affect the outside world while safely in it. Time also moves super slow in the black. A hour can be a second.

Team marvel needs a replacement for Apocalypse

Dude what is this post? You straight up just ignored 90% of the feats i posted? What gives? You wanna debate or not? Reply to each feat i posted like i did with you, or don't waste my time here.

@sirfizzwhizz: I see bias and hypocritical statements, unless you accept what I am about to lay down heheheheh.

If you see them then i want you to point them out to me, if not than guess which one is the hypocrite then? And when you say lay down you mean you are lazily gonna copy paste stuff from your respect thread here.

I want no back tracking from your smart ass with this.

Back tracking? Why do you constantly keep acting like you are new to all this, despite spending more than a decade on this website, it's so bizarre.

Oh so hyperbole statements are allowed. Thats what all these are, empty statements. Ok ok, I will remember this. Lets see...

You used outliers but you wanted to draw the line at hyperbolic statements?

Supreme power derives from his molecular control of his body. Able to change his body to become the strongest being.

Cool, Hulk becomes the strongest being just by being angry

There are like a dozen more statements like this if you want me go and post them too?

When time was change in the Civil War, Supreme of the present notice the change in the world and history. Retaining his memories fine. Stated this may be due to his knowledge of Comic Revisions that happen to him.

Ok? Not sure what the hell am i suppose to do with this as it doesn't relate to the fighting here. Unless you want me to mention that time Hulk ignored a retcon because it didn't work on him?

Supreme when weaken and nearly defeated by powerful foes was stated able to time travel to the future to escape, and then time travel back as needed to change the time line and win.

Maybe he can time travel here enough for Hulk to punch through time and rip him through it.

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Stated all Supremes can survive physics bubbling down to chaos of clashing timelines and changes in timeline.

Again, not sure what to do with this as it doesn't relate to this fight lol. Hulk survived the destruction of the universe, in fact was about the last living being in the Marvel multiverse

Moore Supreme can will himself past reality that contains all knowledge and existence.

Ok, Hulk pushes through a reality busting attack though

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Moore Supreme is able to survive reality warping and reverse its effects in very short time frame to continue a fight against the reality warping villain while falling through time.

I mean Hulk already powered through reality as i showed above, but he also managed to reverse the effects of a time manipulating Chronarchist

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Stated without a Supreme in the universe the Supreme universes and time itself will die. Supreme is the key being for the Universe to exist. A cosmic being of the highest hierarchy.

Not hard when you don't even have the fraction of powerful beings that something like Marvel has, but here Hulk has energies of other universes flowing through him and if he doesn't fix this all of reality gets destroyed

As for Hulk being at the top of hierarchy... i mean he derives his powers from TOBA and was the sole person to decide the entire fate of the Marvel universe, depending on which choice he makes, to do the right thing or destroy everything.

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This decision of his resulted in the literal destruction of the Marvel multiverse.

Suprema who states herself weaker to Moore Supreme, and proven when beaten near death by Mean Supreme, she is able to mend a rip in the universes edges.

Hulk isn't really a mending guy, more of a breaking one.

Suprema lifts the weight of her own universe put into a snow globe by a magical wish granting genie.

Yes we already went through this, Hercules did the same and Hulk beat him

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And not only did Hulk beat the breaks of Hercules many times, he also overpowered him together with Jane Thor who was shown to be Hercules equal in strength

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While Hulk overpowered both of them just by flexing his muscles

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Here is the script confirming they were going all out to hold Hulk down

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and then Hulk moved in a dimension with infinite density.

The matter is so dense even Strange astral body which doesn't have any physical form is still somehow too heavy for him to move, so it's up to Hulk to save him

Yawn.....

What are you yawning at? Reply to the feats i posted, why are you just ignoring them? Do you have no counters?

Yeah sure... whatever you say.

It's not whatever i say it's whatever the feats say.

Supreme outliers are more consistent and multiversal as well things like concepts of time and reality that Hulk cannot touch. Nice try.

Supreme doesn't even have proper outliers most of it is just statements, his one outlier you mentioned is the one Suprema had who he beat so with the power of scaling it now becomes his feat as well. Hulk has literally DOZENS of times more outliers than that. I don't give a shit about concepts of time and reality, those are not outliers i am taking about feats in combat strength, durability, healing, speed, striking, resistance, etc...

I told you we shouldn't be using outliers, there is no way Supreme is gonna compete with Hulk in that department, but you wouldn't listen, you thought one feat of Suprema lifting a snow globe containing a universe is gonna compete with a guy that shook infinite dimensions lol.

Says the guy defending Hulk who been unable to tag street level and slow ass sub sonic bricks multiple times. Riiiiight....

Yea, you know why that is? Because Banner/Hulk hold back

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As is evident by him not having much trouble tagging high tiers and speedsters.

None of it really matters since Supreme has to go through planet busting nuclear energy to get to Hulk and given how poorly he preforms against radiation, i am not sure speed is gonna matter at all.

LMAO really? hulk has several speed feats in 1000s of comics at a time. Supreme has them in spades in less than 100 comic issues. Your full of shit now. Bias bias bias as hell. Got ya!

And yet you keep posting the same combat speed. Not to mention in direct comparison against the same opponent, Supreme came out as the slower one lol

Once again Supreme vs Gladiator

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Hulk vs Gladiator

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I didn't even mention how Supremes fight ended in a draw, while Hulk beat Gladiator to a bloody pulp almost killing him.

Sucks for your ass Official Marvel Bios place hulk topping out at sub sonic lmao.

Feats > bio

In the same way that Thor tops out at transcending light speed

Wrong since Hulk has other appearances and the WB clearly is not consistent with universe busting or beating the TOAA as your lying butts claim lol. Debunk your own damn self. Good job.

WBH doesn't have any other appearances, what are you talking about? Did you have a brain anyeurism just now? Do you know what outliers mean? Of course he isn't consistent with universe busting lol, it's an outlier and also he only met TOAA once lol.

You want to talk consistency after the nonsense you wrote?

You want to talk consistency after telling me Supreme has better outliers? Your one example being what Suprema did and Supreme the one that beat her?

How about you go back and reply to each feat i posted like i did with your post instead of running away like a coward, show me feats of Supreme outdoing the ones i posted of Hulk outdoing Supreme.

I can continue fine. Its hilarious how much time and energy you wasted to dig out couple dozen outliers that preetty much align to Supremes own.

Really cause you haven't posted any of them? Where is moving infinite weight? Surviving an attack amplified infinitely? Shaking infinite dimensions? Breaking dimensions? Breaking an universe? Thunderclapping the strongest nigh-omnipotent being of Marvel? etc???? And not just statements, but actual feats, where are they? I don't see them anywhere here.

Supreme can time travel and does so to win. Hulk cant.

There is not time travel here and he can't do it on a whim and if he does, Hulk punches through time and gets him like he did against Zarko.

Supreme is the reason the Suprema verses, plural, exist. Hulk is a bitch boy and cog in the machine.

It's not hard to be a reason of something existing when your entire universe is barren and it only exists because your comic exists. And since the comic run ended, he doesn't exist anymore lol. Yea he was such a cog in the machine he made the most important decision in ALL OF MARVEL to TOAA himself.

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That's the problem when you know jack shit about the character you are debating and you spent years getting your ass handed to you on this website buy guys like Ghostravage, yo developed PTSD and you can't pick up a Hulk comic or read a respect thread to realize the crazy shit the characters gone through in the past few years.

Supreme is reason time exist due to his presence.

Wow, he must be stuck in time right now cause his comics haven't been coming out in decades lol.

Supreme can push past reality and will himself beyond to the point breaking 4th wall and talking shop with his comic creator. Hulk cant. Thats a one up over OAA, who is below their comic writer, feat you mention. Ohhhhh...

Yea except Hulk has done that as well and literally talked to Stan Lee.

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It's actually hilarious at this point how pretty much everything yo mention about Supreme, Hulk has a feat for it as well on the same level or better, it's downright ludicrous lol. Once again if spent more time researching characters you debate against instead of acting all butthurt here, this embarrassment wouldn't happen to you.

Suprema the weakest one by large margined was already mending universe rips together and lifting universes. Putting the weakest Supreme on par with WBH at best.

Pathetic seeing as the weakest version of the Hulk moved in a dimension with infinite density showcasing infinite strength and durability.

You aint got shit mate. Nice waste of effort, aint got shit.

I got everything you mentioned and then some, it's easy to say someone aint got shit when you dont reply to 90% of their post and if you think others don't see that, you are really fooling yourself. Now do you wanna go back and reply to all those other scans i posted or are you gonna ignore them again like a coward?

Also remember when you said i made hypocritical statements in the beginning? You literally didn't point any of them out, so good job.

@sirfizzwhizz: No you dont seem to understand what I said.

What did i not understand?

Nor does that version do anything close in statements or abilities to weaker versions.

Yea because it appears for like 4 pages, how is it suppose to replicate all of the other feats i mentioned with such a small appearance? What matters is that it's both confirmed in comic and outside it that WBH is the strongest version of Hulk, which means all the other feats for it apply.

You have how many feats of Hulk being a universe or beyond buster? maybe 10 or 12 out of 10,000 appearances? There is at least 7 for supreme characters in like 90 something appearances. Math says....

Yea you definitely don't know what outliers mean... that's incredibly emberassing given how long you've been on this site. Also you haven't posted 1 actual outlier for Supreme, you posted one for Suprema and a bunch of statements. Also this pathetic excuse of trying to hide behind small appearances isn't gonna work. All i need is just WBH who has 1 appearance and current Hulk who has 11 appearances to destroy Supreme in both feats and outliers.

not by actual match.... but in the end I am willing to agree Outliers are just that. both are planet busters and both can survive celestial objects (Stars and Black Holes). Thats fair. However Supreme has the clear super speed advantage, time travel, energy absorption (radiation in this case), range options/attacks, and cosmic awareness to know everything about Hulk. Thats benefits. Swinging in supreme favor.

Yea now that outliers aren't in your favor, lets ignore them lol. It's fine by me Hulk has every other feat above Supreme as well. Yea except he didn't have the clear super speed advantage when it matter against Gladiator, Hulk can punch through time to get to others, not that Supreme can just time travel any time he wants, he almost died trying to absorb nuclear energy from some reactors i wanna see him absorb enough energy to decimate an entire planet and vaporize beings that can survive in neutron stars. The only thing cosmic awarness is gonna tell him is to GTFO here.

No, no, if you wanna prove Supreme is better you have to do it with feats, not just words, so far i am counting way more planet busting feats from Hulk, way more damage output, way more physical strength and durability and way better healing, even the speed isn't really helping Supreme here, so i don't see how he wins? With what is he gonna put down a guy that survived not just planetary but star level attacks?

@underfire47: you lost the outlier war. Its ok. You wasted time on posting the mere handful of feats to beat your chest too of a consistency that can never be. Its ok mate. Changing the definition of consistency and outliers to boast Marvel fandom wont cut it here.

Less comics (90ish) and writers (4 writers) is so just better than than shit tier Marvel guy Hulk who has 10,000 plus comics and been through 100 writers lol.

Deal with it. Supreme is more versatile and at worst even in stats. ;)

@professorrespect:

Is that a combat feat?

Yes. He uses that in combat.

Spawn unleashing most of his energy that nearly cuts Satan himself half.

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In the end of the issue, Simmons has Leetha unleash all the stored up energy it has collected since the past 250 issues, and unleash it suicide bomber style on Satan. Satan is confirmed killed by this action, as the entire realms of Hell itself crumbles. Hell itself a galaxy like size realm of 9 spheres, and Satan who can help shape the universe much like God in power. Even Divine Spawn could not kill Satan, yet this attack did. This attack also drain Al of all his power for a time

God's and Satan's Power

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God and Satan were made by the creator of the Universe. Her children.

It was God's power that created Mankind. It was Lucifer's power that created Free Will.

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Satan casually sets off the San Andreas Fault to get more soldiers for his army quickly.

Lucifer can change time as he wishes. Even granting this power to his Demons to make certain outcomes in his favor.

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Lucifer created Malbolgia under his power, and all the other sevens levels Hell Kings. Malbolgia has crazy power as we seen earlier. Lucifer banishes Malbolgia with ease in Malbolgias own realm as a power difference. Malbolgia who is god in his level of Hell is blinked away like an afterthought.

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Lucifer under how own power created nine world size like dimensions, complete with outer space around it, with 8 Hell Kings that can create more worlds or manipulate time themselves. In Scan 2 you see the 5th Sphere alone is a solar system in itself, and the 5th level a clear planet that Spawn lands on. That is Lucifer's power.

God flooded the whole planet clean of demons and rogue angels.

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God took all the souls in heaven, and forced them against their will into a army of Angel like being, frenzy with murder. That is half the world's population over the past 10,000 years of existence mind you.

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God here shows the power to effortlessly shut down 1st Age Spawn's power. Spawn had no clue why he had no power or why his suit the K-7 Leetha went dead each time God did this.

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Much like Lucifer, God also created seven world like Heavens. One is the city Elysium that stands in its own dimension. Another Heavenly realm is a stated endless abyss like a never ending universe in itself.

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Further proof of God's power is the creation of the Ribbons and Holy Lances he created for his Angels. Perfect example of their godly made durability is found with the instance Angela and the Krom. Scan 1 states "The tangible world spirals toward a denuded antimatter singularity A pinpoint that draws away all light and matter" Basically a Blackhole that moves planets and crushes them. Scan 2 states "Pulses of energy formed at the Crux of Creation" Like Big Bang flashes? Only thing comes close. Scan 3 "Lightning pulses with the severity of an exploding pulsar." "Slammed with anti force from all sides" Both of those are pretty straight forward in phrasing. Scan 4 "Anti Matter consumes her, draws her like a wind swept leaf." Consume by explosive anti matter. Sounds rough. That is how durable these Ribbons and the Holy Lances are. That is the tools God made on a whim and gave to his top Angels.

Here God is stated to have granted a Angel designated as Gods Wrath the power to destroy a star, making it go Supernova, and wiping out a solar system. Yet this same Angel was too weak to beat or challenge even Malebolgia in a power struggle, force to do Malebolgia bidding as servant. God granting minions power to destroy suns.

Still not convinced of God's power? Then look at what is said and stated about God's power. Mamon wish to take God's throne, solely to remake the Universe as he saw fit. Stated the Throne of God alone can remake the Universe as needed.

Here it states God help shaped the Universe in its creation under his power alone.

Is he universal then?

No. He is more than galaxy I suppose. I mean Hell King alone whip the shit out of super nova star buster Angels, and can manipulate who galaxy like realms complete with multiple Stars and planets.

I still don't see how he can't be nuked or KO'd here.

Well considering the fact he has no brain or organs, thus cannot be KOed in traditional sense. He is made of pure Necro Plasma, reality warping magic, and conscience.

Spawn is fully able to function with an object embedded into his face through the skull.

Spawn heals his body where his heart was ripped out.

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Spawn is stabbed through the skull and brain by large claws and simply ignores the damage and fights on unhindered.

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Spawn is dragged into the Dead Zone, where his powers dont work, and has his head blown off. The moment his friends bring him out of the Dead Zone, Spawn regens his head. Showing decapitation is not enough anymore.

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Spawn teleports inside a powerful super empowered Hellspawn Kinkaid and rips out of their body from the inside.

Ontop of this Spawn can break down his body into literal atoms and particles and cross dimensions at speed of light attacks.

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Spawn's teleporting is stated several times as breaking down to the molecule level and traveling at the speed of light.

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Spawn teleports inside a foe, and rips out.

Only way to beat him is draining him of power, making him use it all up.

I mean cool but Spawn isn't as fast as a morals off Surfer: I don't think even you would contest that when push comes to shove.

Your comment is Surfer will preform a black hole attack, as his first move, and my reply is Surfer done this in character? If not then I dont see why Spawn wont survive and just time stop or stay in the black.

Spawn states as long their is shadows or darkness he can access the Black.

Spawn again states and shows tomake his own shadows if need be to access the Black.

In the Black its stated time passes much more slowly than the material world. A whole comics worth of fighting followed by lengthy conversation lasting a eye blink.

Simmons suit K7-Leetha uses various claw attacks can be directed through the shadows.

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Simmons suit K7-Leetha hides in the Black, and from out of the shadows sends out massive chain attacks to catch, and tie up foes. Spamming attacks through the Shadows free from physical attacks of any kind. Downing also sends out chains to drag a foe into the Black to be trapped.

Surfer speed wont matter as he cant one shot Simmons and Simmons can tag him with teleportation attacks, time freeze, or just sit in th black and attack from their with dakrness of space at the speed of Darkness. And Speed of Darkness >>>>>>> anything in universe know what I mean?

This Black can also BFR Hulk out of the fight easy too.

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Spawn is able to teleport others away and strand them through the Black.

Simmons suit K7-Leetha engulf a well lit room into the Black and kills everyone.

One does not belong lol

Me...waiting fro people to realize that they can directly scale via Angela...

@underfire47:

Some things I need to addres too.

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On the other hand when Gladiator attempted the same tactic against Hulk(a weakened Hulk btw), Hulk managed to react to him before he could finish tossing him into space, Hulk thunderclapped his ears and stopped him before he could finish the BFR

So we are allowed the possible non canon crossover feats? Thats more feats for Supreme that I never brought up. Cool.

Supreme smashes Marvel's Gladiator so hard into the planet with one hand, that the explosive force is seen from space.

Marvel's Gladiator states Su

Another statement and actual feat of planet level added.

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This being Liefelds Supreme who can barely survive the radiation of nuclear reactors, it definitely doesn't bode well for him, to survive the kind of radiator WBH gives off, hell he would get obliterated just from this

Im not sure why you have to lie here. Since you know Supreme "Adapts" to the threat and became immune to it..... I mean way to leave out context lmao. Thats Liefeld's Supreme's schtick, adapt and become immune, HP Doomsday style.

Radium infused with Supreme's power shows, and explains the source of his invulnerability. Supreme's power is to alter the body to match the threat. In essence to adapt. It took Loki, reality warping magic, and time traveling shenanigans to by pass this Supreme in his run.

This is a lie too.

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I dunno what possessed you to think Supreme has better healing than Hulk, but he doesn't, not even close the wounds Supreme has healed can't even compare to the ones Hulk has.

As seen.

Val-En/Probe Supreme states his entire body was blown apart on the atomic level and scattered. By a Spawn comic Hell King tier foe. Val-En/Probe Supreme was able to reform. Val-En/Probe Supreme also admit while having same powers as his father Liefeld Supreme, his were inferior too. So no Hulk still loses that one. Sorry.

Another lie here.

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Or Surfer can use many of his powerful abilities and also just obliterate Robot and all his drones like the time he destroyed a planet just a lesson to Ravenous

This feat required Red Shulk and Hulk clashing attacks. Not Hulk himself. A shitty feat really.

Maybe he can time travel here enough for Hulk to punch through time and rip him through it.

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How does this feat work? He punch "time" or some nonsense vague thing that happens here, and nothing suggest he teleports time and Space. See Supreme time travels and teleports same time. He time travel from a empty part of the galaxy to a planet then from that alien planet time travel back to earth. Its both teleporting through the universe and time same time. Hulk never counter this you over hyping lier.

Now thats over lets talk CONSISTECY!

As for Hulk being at the top of hierarchy... i mean he derives his powers from TOBA and was the sole person to decide the entire fate of the Marvel universe, depending on which choice he makes, to do the right thing or destroy everything.

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This decision of his resulted in the literal destruction of the Marvel multiverse.

Not even a Hulk feat but TOAB feat... Alot of stuff in your second post of feats are same feats from the first post as well, repeating the same shit. Well thats enough debunking some of the nonsense claims here.

So recap....

Planetary Level Feats and Statements

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Supreme slams Shadow Supreme, who is near equals to himself, to the Earths Core, where the swirling mass and thousands of miles of magma and liquid nickel combine with earths strongest center of gravity will hold Shadow Supreme for a short distraction. Should be noted the dog, Radar, states and proves that Shadow Supreme was always inferior. That Supreme himself could kill Shadow Supreme easy. They are not equals.

Supreme states and he is shown able to causally bust planetoids as long as he is close to Light Speed. Then shown to bust through one.

Supreme for a bit of sport flies into a asteroid large enough to wipe all life on this planet.

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Supreme uses Beta Vision to vaporize this "world unto itself" mining station into dust. A ship whose scale is shown to the planet it is harvesting.

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Khrom states and shows he has the ability to blast to the center of the planets and destroy them. He hits Supreme with this same blast to no real affect on Supreme.

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Supreme smashes Khromium through the planet, busting out the back side of the planet, and into the sun.

Star Level Feats and Statements

Supreme states and he is shown able to causally bust stars as long as he is close to Light Speed.

The weaker Val-En/Probe Supreme Beta Vision is stated temperature equal to the sun.

Supreme states he adapted and is immune to the heat and gravitational pressure of the core of yellow stars and worse.

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Moore Supreme and Suprema shows the ability to fly past the Event Horizon of a Blackhole and back out undamaged.

Outliers of Universal/Infinite/Time/Reality ect Feats and Statements

Supreme power derives from his molecular control of his body. Able to change his body to become the strongest being.

As stated Supreme power is adapting to anything. Anything. Thus true Invulnerable by definition of the word.

Val-En/Probe Supreme states his entire body was blown apart on the atomic level and scattered. By a Spawn comic Hell King tier foe. Val-En/Probe Supreme was able to reform. Val-En/Probe Supreme also admit while having same powers as his father Liefeld Supreme, his were inferior too.

Supremium the source of Surpemes powers stated to alter reality and become a god.

Supremium the source of Surpemes powers stated to alter reality as it core nature. Also why it has only limiting effect on Supreme.

Stated again Supremium ignore laws of physics to make impossible possible.

Using Supremium to match Supreme, stated all space and time and its mass summing up the power within Supreme himself.

Moore Supreme stated near infinite mass

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When time was change in the Civil War, Supreme of the present notice the change in the world and history. Retaining his memories fine. Stated this may be due to his knowledge of Comic Revisions that happen to him.

Supreme when weaken and nearly defeated by powerful foes was stated able to time travel to the future to escape, and then time travel back as needed to change the time line and win.

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Moore Supreme states the various effects and reaction times of near lightspeed, lightspeed, and faster than lightspeed. Where time travel effects is in play. The three beings moving as fast a Moore Supreme is in fact himself, his dog, and Suprema from the future.

Stated all Supremes can survive physics bubbling down to chaos of clashing timelines and changes in timeline.

Suprema tanks the end of time itself and a universe that flash freezes star at the end of time.

Moore Supreme can will himself past reality that contains all knowledge and existence.

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Moore Supreme is able to survive reality warping and reverse its effects in very short time frame to continue a fight against the reality warping villain while falling through time.

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As stated when Supreme comics reboot, or Revision as the event is called in lore, the past version(s) Supremes cannot be killed but exist in Supremacy. They dont die or cease to exist even when the writer (ALL POWERFUL GOD) retcons the universe and re sets it.

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As stated AGAIN when Supreme comics reboot, or Revision as the event is called in lore, the past version(s) Supremes cannot be killed but exist in Supremacy. They dont die or cease to exist even when the writer (ALL POWERFUL GOD) retcons the universe and re sets it.

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As stated AGAIN AGINA when Supreme comics reboot, or Revision as the event is called in lore, the past version(s) Supremes cannot be killed but exist in Supremacy. They dont die or cease to exist even when the writer (ALL POWERFUL GOD) retcons the universe and re sets it.

Stated without a Supreme in the universe the Supreme universes and time itself will die. Supreme is the key being for the Universe to exist. A cosmic being of the highest hierarchy.

Suprema who states herself weaker to Moore Supreme, and proven when beaten near death by Mean Supreme, she is able to mend a rip in the universes edges.

Suprema lifts the weight of her own universe put into a snow globe by a magical wish granting genie.

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Moore Supreme who can look ahead in his own comic books, totally breaking 4th wall, and beat a higher dimensional being with logic, forcing the higher dimensional being reality warper into non existence by simply willing it.

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Liefeld Supreme at the least knew of the God/Writer existing calling him simply biblically God. Breaking that 4th wall as Liefeld knew anything God wanted done was done through him.

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Moore Supreme broke 4th wall again and even met his own God the Writer himself. The writer who makes universes via comics all day long and handles Superman archetypes as stated. Anything this god wanted done, Supreme is able to do it. Its the Writers story and in canon in unversed in lore explanation for Supreme crazy abilities.

Consistency Argument

Lets talk consistency. I went through your posts and came up with this. Start with lets get the rough comic issues these characters appeared in, and compare that to the amount of times in comics these feats happen. Im being fair to include even ones I dont agree with for you Hulk claims, I am including them anyway.

Hulk has a whopping comics he appeared in around 7506 issues. Supreme and appearance sin comics has according to the Vine 160 issues. Ok.

On Panel and Stated Planetary to Planet Feats

Hulk 17 = 0.22648547828404 %

Supreme 6 = 3.75%

On Panel and Stated Star Feats

Hulk 2 = 0.026645350386358%

Supreme 3 = 1.875%

On Panel and Stated Universal or Time Feats

Hulk 20 = 0.26645350386358%

Supreme 23 = 14.375%

In fact lets make this more fair and let me help your own case out. Here is Marvel.Wiki breakdown of comic issues. 2029 appearance(s) of Bruce Banner (Earth-616) 40 appearance(s) in handbook(s) of Bruce Banner (Earth-616) 461 minor appearance(s) of Bruce Banner (Earth-616) 597 mention(s) of Bruce Banner (Earth-616) 36 mention(s) in handbook(s) of Bruce Banner (Earth-616) 281 quotation(s) by or about Bruce Banner (Earth-616) 3444 Issues

3444 Issues

That huge decrease in numbers still dont help!!! Holy shit that math dont lie. One is more consistent than the other. Seriously even if you spend the next year to boost these numbers up to double or triple the statements and feats the consistency still be off.

Other Factors

So now we establish the superior consistency and power levels of Supreme(s), the fact is at worst he matches Hulk regardless in durability, power, ect. What he is better is...

• Adaptation
• Time Travel
• Teleporting
• Energy Absorption
• Cosmic Awareness
• Range Attacks
• Healing
• Speed

Hulk at best can put up a decent fight, but ia going to always lose this one.

What does Angela have to do with this? Angela Image or Angela Marvel?

@sirfizzwhizz: Why are you including non-WBH feats and using them as a anti-feat for his WBH self etc, makes no sense, it's like using Kryptonite induced feats for Superman and trying to prove that makes him on a sundip inconsistent

@sirfizzwhizz:you lost the outlier war. Its ok. You wasted time on posting the mere handful of feats to beat your chest too of a consistency that can never be. Its ok mate. Changing the definition of consistency and outliers to boast Marvel fandom wont cut it here.

It's impossible to lose an outlier war to a person that posted one outlier and doesn't even know what outliers are. Also i never changed anything about consistency lol. So once again answer me what are outliers? Do you actually know?

Less comics (90ish) and writers (4 writers) is so just better than than shit tier Marvel guy Hulk who has 10,000 plus comics and been through 100 writers lol.

This is just whining, you are doing nothing but whining now.

Deal with it. Supreme is more versatile and at worst even in stats. ;)

He is more versatile and so is Thor and look at where that got him against Hulk, as for stats according to the feats i posted, he most definitely is not.

So we are allowed the possible non canon crossover feats? Thats more feats for Supreme that I never brought up. Cool.

So now it's a possible non-canon? Funny it didn't bother you when you used it in the past

Supreme smashes Marvel's Gladiator so hard into the planet with one hand, that the explosive force is seen from space.

Wow, almost as impressive as when Hiro Kala hit Hulk with an attack stated to be planet busting that was not only seen from space but all the way from Earth and Hulk just pushed through it lol,

It didn't even bother regular Green Scar, it ain't gonna even register with WBH.

Or maybe you want to see Hulk doing something visible from space?

I told you before, everything Supreme can do Hulk can do to and surpass him in both quality and quantity.

Marvel's Gladiator states Su

I like how your sentence breaks of here, clearly indicating that you are just copy pasting all of this lol. But what you probably meant to say is Gladiator states Supreme and him would destroy worlds if they continued fighting, which is a bold statement coming from Gladiator to be sure, Supreme seems to be a planet buster only in statements, pretty pathetic tbh.

Another statement and actual feat of planet level added.

You can add a statement of Hulk almost breaking the Earth just by walking

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You know whats the difference between Supereme and WBH? Supreme and Gladiator could have maybe broken the planet if they continued their fighting, WBH on the other hand instantly broke one at the beginning of the fighting lol.

Im not sure why you have to lie here. Since you know Supreme "Adapts" to the threat and became immune to it..... I mean way to leave out context lmao. Thats Liefeld's Supreme's schtick, adapt and become immune, HP Doomsday style.

There is no lie here, just like Doomsday his adaption is both overblown and has it's limits. It's about as accurate as that time it was stated Hulk can't lose any fight since he just keeps getting stronger. No Supreme had countless fights in the past with his universe Thor and it always ended in a stalemate cause he never could surpass/adapt to surpass Thors Mljonir,

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which even results in Thor knocking out Supreme briefly

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This is a lie too.

The only lie here is that you are trying to sell Supreme as being able to adapt to anything, the dude couldn't even adapt to knocking himself out smashing into a building for several pages and you want him to fight WBH

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Ridiculous, one of the most inconsistent characters out there for such a short lived existence.

Val-En/Probe Supreme states his entire body was blown apart on the atomic level and scattered. By a Spawn comic Hell King tier foe. Val-En/Probe Supreme was able to reform. Val-En/Probe Supreme also admit while having same powers as his father Liefeld Supreme, his were inferior too. So no Hulk still loses that one. Sorry.

That is not what happened though is it? First off we don't know how long it took for him to appear after Chapel blasted him, we know it was sometime after Chapel was defeated, secondly it's not even exactly clear what happened as we never see him healing or anything, literally just falling out of a torn fabric in space as if he was more BFR'd than actually obliterated

In another instance it's stated that lightning itself was what did him in

So it's extremely confusing what even happened to him or how he got back since one page literally states he was basically cast out of heaven, not to mention he wasn't in the best shape either as he fell unconscious he lost completely memory of who he was or what he was doing

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So an ambiguous feat that is miles away from the one where Hulk gets obliterated in one page and is fine the next without nay memory loss or other shenanigans.

So selling me this discontented feat of a different Supreme as some instantenious healing from being atomized, is not gonna work, especially when there are instances of Supreme taking time to heal wounds that are nowhere near as serious. And i am not talking about weakened Supreme either.

Another lie here.

Not a lie at all, how is it a lie? First off it's not even Mean Supreme himself, secondly the whole feat is extremely ambiguous of what exactly happened and literally contradicts itself, thirdly it pales in comparison to the one i posted of Hulk in terms of how long it took to recover and the fact that he didn't even fully recover as he lost all his memories.

This feat required Red Shulk and Hulk clashing attacks. Not Hulk himself. A shitty feat really.

Except it didn't, you don't know how the feat works which is sad but also telling. WBH and RSH never even hit the planet directly, they hit each other, the residue energy they released was enough to destroy the planet as well as incinerate Hulk level beings and even beings that can survive inside stars, which is why WBH is considered so powerful and way more than just a regular planet buster. And it's way better than anything Supreme has which is one single feat that people try to sell as planet busting, is when he fought Khromium 2 on his planet and blitzed him through destroying only one side of the planet, while most of the planet remained intact

Whats even funnier is Supreme was literally amped right before this

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Which isn't a surprise cause the best Supreme managed was to stalemate Omni-man who we know isn't a planet buster, in fact in their final clash Omni-Man recovered much quicker after the double KO

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Compare him to Hulk who has like 3 planet busting feats so far

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Just like he does it straight up here:

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And here:

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To be fair in one he had Mljonir against a Hulked out Thor, still they busted a planet hitting each other, not the planet itself. But in another he was only at level 2 of his anger which is one of the lowest levels and he still destroyed a planet quite casually leaving just it's core that they use to play Godball with.

How does this feat work? He punch "time" or some nonsense vague thing that happens here, and nothing suggest he teleports time and Space. See Supreme time travels and teleports same time. He time travel from a empty part of the galaxy to a planet then from that alien planet time travel back to earth. Its both teleporting through the universe and time same time. Hulk never counter this you over hyping lier.

It's very simple how it works, Hulk got really angry and punched through time, it even says to you there in the page, he punched harder than he ever had. Banner even tells us here that Hulk broke through time on his own and in doing so rewrote history

Also dont oversell me this crap of Supreme time traveling, he did it once and barely even knew what he was doing, a literal asspull so much so that he couldn't even do it a second time and had to have Enigma bail him out from dying

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Now thats over lets talk CONSISTECY!

Yea lets talk about something you don't seem to have a full grasp on.

Not even a Hulk feat but TOAB feat... Alot of stuff in your second post of feats are same feats from the first post as well, repeating the same shit. Well thats enough debunking some of the nonsense claims here.

No it is a Hulk feat, this was actually Banner before he was taken over by TOBA completely, you can tell that by the way he speaks. When TOBA speaks he only speaks in like this

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While here he clearly speaks personally, as Banner

Thats because Banner already warned of this happening, what would happen if he became evil and finally stopped holding back Hulk, he would become much, MUCH more powerful

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This is what happens when you know so little about Hulk and your go to is to call him "shit" and then i post all these feats of planet busting, holding star weight, breaking universe, shaking infinite dimensions, tanking reality busting attacks, punching through time, etc... and your go to response is to ignore most of it and try to shower me with shitty respect thread scans that don't even counter any of these and half of which are just pointless statements.

Supreme slams Shadow Supreme, who is near equals to himself, to the Earths Core, where the swirling mass and thousands of miles of magma and liquid nickel combine with earths strongest center of gravity will hold Shadow Supreme for a short distraction. Should be noted the dog, Radar, states and proves that Shadow Supreme was always inferior. That Supreme himself could kill Shadow Supreme easy. They are not equals.

While one of the Supremes is trapped for a while in the Earths core, a weakened Green Scar jumps into a planets core, a planet that is about 1.5 times larger than Earth

I bring this all up because a weakened Green Scar, the portal actually kills most beings that past through it but more powerful characters like Hulk, Surfer, Thor, etc... get weakened by it and it takes a long time for them to regain their power

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he jumped into it's molten magma and despite all that, despite the pain he was willing which is unmeasurable at that point given the sheer pressure and heat of the magma as well as the

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Yet all of that wasn't enough to stop a weakened Hulk from reversing the process of the planets destruction caused by the Red Kings bombs plunged deepd into the planet and unbreaking the world

Supreme states and he is shown able to causally bust planetoids as long as he is close to Light Speed. Then shown to bust through one.

Planetoids are a joke, Hulk destroys planets and he doesn't even need to go to near light speed to do that

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Just like he does it straight up here:

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Supreme for a bit of sport flies into a asteroid large enough to wipe all life on this planet.

Not large enough to be twice as big as Earth like the one Hulk destroyed

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Supreme uses Beta Vision to vaporize this "world unto itself" mining station into dust. A ship whose scale is shown to the planet it is harvesting.

More non-planet busting feats, but i am not sure what this is suppose to mean to a guy that whitstood a barrage from a Celestial that tore apart the Black Hand of a God with the power of 100 000 exploding suns, which is a hand of a Celestial that by itself is as large as a planet

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Khrom states and shows he has the ability to blast to the center of the planets and destroy them. He hits Supreme with this same blast to no real affect on Supreme.

Hiro Kala is tearing apart a planet the size of Mars, he hits Hulk with the same blast and Hulk just walks through it

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The blast was so powerful it was visible from Earth

And even though it was not hitting the planet directly it was still tearing it apart

Or the time Maestro survived an explosion triggered by one of the strongest beings in all of Marvel, Molecule Man that destroyed the Battleworld planet but that Hulk had survived

Supreme smashes Khromium through the planet, busting out the back side of the planet, and into the sun.

There is no indication that he smashed him through the planet, he literally just drags him on one side of the surface before he takes him into space. Already covered this.

Supreme states and he is shown able to causally bust stars as long as he is close to Light Speed.

Nowhere does it say he can bust stars in that scan, it literally just says that it's difficult to avoid celestial objects when flying really fast through space and you cut out the part where he only flies through a planetoid and states that you can always run into something that's to big to handle

Which is why Supreme states they can't fight Gorrl who took the form of a star and that he could fry them with just a solar flare

So dont give me this nonsense that he can bust stars, he doesn't even have a single planet busting feat, let alone stars. If you wanna see star level feats, here is Hulk holding the weight of a star on his back

The weaker Val-En/Probe Supreme Beta Vision is stated temperature equal to the sun.

Hulk tanked heat capable of melting not secondary but primary adamantium from Ultron himself

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And the device Ultron uses to reshape his body, also affects it on a molecular level

Apart from that, Hulk already whitstood the heat of 100 000 supernovas, so heat of one star isn't gonna do shit.

Supreme states he adapted and is immune to the heat and gravitational pressure of the core of yellow stars and worse.

Unfortunately he didn't adapt to heat that vaporized beings that can mine in not yellow but neutron stars(blue stars) which are much hotter than yellow stars

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Mindless ones can get to be really powerful as well as was seen when it required the combiend might of Surfer, Strange, Thor, Ironman, Vision and Black Knight just to drive 3 of them away

This is WBH isn't just a casual planet buster, he is way beyond that.

Moore Supreme and Suprema shows the ability to fly past the Event Horizon of a Blackhole and back out undamaged.

You are just repeating yourself at this point, not actually adressing my feats or trying to even counter them. Like how are you gonna counter Hulk vaporizing beings that mine neutron stars? Surviving 100 000 supernova attacks? Destroying planets not even directly but indirectly with sheer power?

Also once again, even regular street tiers have survived going through black holes, black holes are one of the most useless feats out there

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And i already showed you Ironman surviving one that swallowed a gallaxy worth of stars, so it's meaningless to me. It's not like Hulk can throw black holes at Supreme or anything like that.

Supreme power derives from his molecular control of his body. Able to change his body to become the strongest being.

Hulk has like half a dozen statements of being the strongest being.

Strongest creature to ever walk the Earth

Limitless organic energy

There is no limit to his strength

There is nothing he can not do, there is no device that can be built to measure his strength that he can not break

Earths strongest creature

Strongest mortal on Earth(back when he was still mortal)

Beyonder states Hulk has infinite power inside him

His strength is incalculable

As stated Supreme power is adapting to anything. Anything. Thus true Invulnerable by definition of the word.

No he can't, if he was could he would never ever get hurt or lose a fight which we know is not true and he would adapt to never being cut which you know isn't true as you yourself stated molecular level weapons can cut him time and time again. But yea he wasn't so invulnerable here

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or here

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or getting his arm torn off

or many other examples i can bring of him getting hurt.

Val-En/Probe Supreme states his entire body was blown apart on the atomic level and scattered. By a Spawn comic Hell King tier foe. Val-En/Probe Supreme was able to reform. Val-En/Probe Supreme also admit while having same powers as his father Liefeld Supreme, his were inferior too.

Already countered this

That is not what happened though is it? First off we don't know how long it took for him to appear after Chapel blasted him, we know it was sometime after Chapel was defeated, secondly it's not even exactly clear what happened as we never see him healing or anything, literally just falling out of a torn fabric in space as if he was more BFR'd than actually obliterated

In another instance it's stated that lightning itself was what did him in

So it's extremely confusing what even happened to him or how he got back since one page literally states he was basically cast out of heaven, not to mention he wasn't in the best shape either as he fell unconscious he lost completely memory of who he was or what he was doing

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So an ambiguous feat that is miles away from the one where Hulk gets obliterated in one page and is fine the next without nay memory loss or other shenanigans.

So selling me this discontented feat of a different Supreme as some instantenious healing from being atomized, is not gonna work, especially when there are instances of Supreme taking time to heal wounds that are nowhere near as serious. And i am not talking about weakened Supreme either.

Supremium the source of Surpemes powers stated to alter reality and become a god.

Hulks source of power is TOBA/TOAA, literally the most powerful omnipotent being of Marvel...

Supremium the source of Surpemes powers stated to alter reality as it core nature. Also why it has only limiting effect on Supreme.

The reason why Hulk is truly immortal is because his powers come from the Below place.

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Stated again Supremium ignore laws of physics to make impossible possible.

That's Hulks entire existence, he is literally the amalgamation of science, magic and the divine

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Using Supremium to match Supreme, stated all space and time and its mass summing up the power within Supreme himself.

Cool TOBA using Hulks body managed to end all of Marvel multiverse, killing all life and even destroying all light in the multiverse

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Moore Supreme stated near infinite mass

LOL, what a weird thing to say in such a deceitful way, everything in theory gains near infinite mass when moving at near light speed. This isn't a feat lol, it's not even on the level where Cable stated that moving Hulk with TP is like trying to move a mountain which he couldn't do

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When time was change in the Civil War, Supreme of the present notice the change in the world and history. Retaining his memories fine. Stated this may be due to his knowledge of Comic Revisions that happen to him.

When Marvel retconned Spider-man One More Day event, wiping everyones memories of Spider-Man away, the only one to retain the memory of hi was Hulk

If that feels like a coincidence he did it again with Sentry

Supreme when weaken and nearly defeated by powerful foes was stated able to time travel to the future to escape, and then time travel back as needed to change the time line and win.

Yea except he couldn't do it a second time and had to have Engima save him, TWICE

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Moore Supreme states the various effects and reaction times of near lightspeed, lightspeed, and faster than lightspeed. Where time travel effects is in play. The three beings moving as fast a Moore Supreme is in fact himself, his dog, and Suprema from the future.

And Gladiator who moves faster than him apparently, fast enough to toss him into space before Supreme can react but not fast enough for Hulk to react

Supreme vs Gladiator

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Hulk vs Gladiator

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Stated all Supremes can survive physics bubbling down to chaos of clashing timelines and changes in timeline.

Hulk is immortal... he can not die.

Suprema tanks the end of time itself and a universe that flash freezes star at the end of time.

Hulk survived past the end of time.

Moore Supreme can will himself past reality that contains all knowledge and existence.

This once again has nothing to do with the combat here.

Moore Supreme is able to survive reality warping and reverse its effects in very short time frame to continue a fight against the reality warping villain while falling through time.

Hulk walks through reality busting attack

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attack so powerful it can whipe away worlds

As stated when Supreme comics reboot, or Revision as the event is called in lore, the past version(s) Supremes cannot be killed but exist in Supremacy. They dont die or cease to exist even when the writer (ALL POWERFUL GOD) retcons the universe and re sets it.

It doesn't stop them from getting punched out and unlike Hulk they never managed to break the pages of a comic book

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As stated AGAIN when Supreme comics reboot, or Revision as the event is called in lore, the past version(s) Supremes cannot be killed but exist in Supremacy. They dont die or cease to exist even when the writer (ALL POWERFUL GOD) retcons the universe and re sets it.

We already went through this, Hulk can't die even when everything else dies... He can ignore retcons.... he can break through comic book pages.

Stated without a Supreme in the universe the Supreme universes and time itself will die. Supreme is the key being for the Universe to exist. A cosmic being of the highest hierarchy.

Hulk almost destroyed all of reality because he existed in 2 universes at the same time

Suprema who states herself weaker to Moore Supreme, and proven when beaten near death by Mean Supreme, she is able to mend a rip in the universes edges.

Useless here but ok.

Suprema lifts the weight of her own universe put into a snow globe by a magical wish granting genie.

Hulk moves infinite weight

The matter is so dense even Strange astral body which doesn't have any physical form is still somehow too heavy for him to move, so it's up to Hulk to save him

A feat of both infinite strength and infinite durability for Hulk, if you think the infinite durability shouldn't apply here, well Hulk has another where he tanks a Devastator beam whose nuclear energies are amplified almost infinitely.

Hulk destroys a universe

Moore Supreme who can look ahead in his own comic books, totally breaking 4th wall, and beat a higher dimensional being with logic, forcing the higher dimensional being reality warper into non existence by simply willing it.

He isnt gonna be talking Hulk to death here.

Liefeld Supreme at the least knew of the God/Writer existing calling him simply biblically God. Breaking that 4th wall as Liefeld knew anything God wanted done was done through him.

Hulk talks to Stan Lee lol

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Also let me remind you of some other Hulk outliers

He is definitely not stronger. You didn't post the feats here but i assume you are scaling Supreme of Suprema lifting a snow globe containing a universe inside an inch of the table. If that's the case than i guess i can scale Hulk of Hercules who lifted the entire universe

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And not only did Hulk beat the breaks of Hercules many times, he also overpowered him together with Jane Thor who was shown to be Hercules equal in strength

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While Hulk overpowered both of them just by flexing his muscles

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Here is the script confirming they were going all out to hold Hulk down

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Anyway you said Supreme has better outliers than Hulk? No he doesn't, if the best Supreme has is beating someone that lifted the universe, Hulk already did that and far, FAR more. I am no fan of outliers, in fact i find them useless but since you wanna go down this road, then i will oblige

Let us first start with strength, as it was already said Hulk has infinite strength, but not just in statements, in actual feats as well, first off Grey Hulk, yes the weakest of the Hulks, goes into the strange dimension where the material of the strange dimensions is made of matter that's infinitely dense

The matter is so dense even Strange astral body which doesn't have any physical form is still somehow too heavy for him to move, so it's up to Hulk to save him

A feat of both infinite strength and infinite durability for Hulk, if you think the infinite durability shouldn't apply here, well Hulk has another where he tanks a Devastator beam whose nuclear energies are amplified almost infinitely.

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The level of destruction Hulk can cause is several orders of magnitude greater than anything Supreme can hope to, whose as you yourself say best damage output is being a casual planet buster, while Hulk has destroyed entire universes, as was seen when he punched Onslaught so hard it broke the universe in two

If that is not enough Hulks clash with an amped Ironclad has shook infinite dimensions causing cataclysmic upheaval and unimaginable destruction in them

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Hulk has even managed to resist an attack that repelled reality itself, an attack from amped Vector who stated he was able to repel entire worlds back but not Hulk

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Hulks even managed to destroy Nightmares dimension

Hulk managed to even punch through time itself

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not once, but twice when he also punched through a time storm who not even Kangs machines could penetrate

Hulk has even punched a eons dark cosmos and illuminated it brighter than any star

Hulks thunderclap has even managed to overpower an attack and amplify it destroying an entire cosmos

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It's later confirmed again that Hulks battle destroyed an entire universe