Marvel Trio Easter Tournament RO8 A - Magneto/Jean/Magik vs Invisible Woman/Professor X/Brother Voodoo - vote by comment

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Magneto, Jean, Magik vs Sue, Xavier, Voodoo

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  • Morals on
  • NO BFR
  • No Prep
  • team members are cooperating
  • Start at opposite ends of the location (see pic)
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Feats for Brother Voodoo?

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This will be a long fight. Magik is MVP though, since her soulsword and magic combo should cancel Voodoo out. Then she can either target Xavier or port into Sue’s shield.

Xavier is good enough to stall Jean and Sue’s shields are strong enough to block Magneto. The magic users are the tipping point by this logic.

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#8  Edited By BoutaTakeAnL

Team 2. Xavier can stalemate Jean. Voodoo can prolong a fight with Magik. Sue eventually defeats Magneto and assists the others.

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I feel Voodoo is the MVP here. Between his soul manipulation, telepathy, necromancy, and time manipulation, he should be able to take down Majik and Magneto with assistance from Sue, although I do think she is the weakest link here (especially since this is Morals On.)

The real battle is between Xavier and Jean, who I feel stalemate each other long enough to give T2 the win once Voodoo and Sue take out Magnus and Majik and can assist him.

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Team1 by an inch

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team 1 wins. Magneto>Invisiboe Woman. Jean>Professor X. Magik>Dr. Voodoo

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@youngjustice: There's a lot of powers Voodoo doesn't use often. He's definitely not going to be able to beat Magik, not without help from one of his other teammates.

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I feel Voodoo is the MVP here. Between his soul manipulation, telepathy, necromancy, and time manipulation, he should be able to take down Majik and Magneto with assistance from Sue, although I do think she is the weakest link here (especially since this is Morals On.)

The real battle is between Xavier and Jean, who I feel stalemate each other long enough to give T2 the win once Voodoo and Sue take out Magnus and Majik and can assist him.

I don’t think Voodoo has any counter to the soulsword, which is fully capable of dispelling all kinds of magic.

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Team 1 in a solid majority. Magneto vs Invisible Woman will go to Magneto. If this is classic Magneto then he should take it every time. If it is current Magneto then he edges out in a close fight. Jean vs Xavier in telepathy is always an extremely close fight that could go either way. Personally I back Jan but it's close to 50/50. Add in telekinesis and it definitely secures the win for her. Magik should be able to handle Voodoo pretty well given her sword negates magik

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#16  Edited By PurplehairedNi1

@onsipin: How is Magneto beating Invisible Woman when she has much better feats and is overall more consistent. Stop with this classic Magneto stuff because currently he has much better feats than his classic counterpart and there's zero evidence to suggest he's weaker unless you can provide evidence

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@purplehairedni1:

because currently he has much better feats than his classic counterpart

Combat feats?? No he doesn't.

there's zero evidence to suggest he's weaker unless you can provide evidence

He got nerfered and regained his power. At one point he even had to rely on drugs. It's really up to you to prove that current Magneto is somehow back to his classic power levels.

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@firelordmagnus:

He got nerfered and regained his power. At one point he even had to rely on drugs. It's really up to you to prove that current Magneto is somehow back to his classic power levels

Magneto after supposedly being weakened performed feats like pulling the breakworld bullet that was the size of a city and that was moving at light speed. Also more recently he dragged enough iron to make a core for mars across space causally. So he has showcased much better power feats than his classic counterpart unless your able to prove otherwise.

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@purplehairedni1:

because currently he has much better feats than his classic counterpart

Combat feats?? No he doesn't.

there's zero evidence to suggest he's weaker unless you can provide evidence

He got nerfered and regained his power. At one point he even had to rely on drugs. It's really up to you to prove that current Magneto is somehow back to his classic power levels.

He died and was resurrected by the 5. Which unless they purposely lowered his power levels in the process he is back to peak.

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@firelordmagnus:

He got nerfered and regained his power. At one point he even had to rely on drugs. It's really up to you to prove that current Magneto is somehow back to his classic power levels

Magneto after supposedly being weakened performed feats like pulling the breakworld bullet that was the size of a city and that was moving at light speed. Also more recently he dragged enough iron to make a core for mars across space causally. So he has showcased much better power feats than his classic counterpart unless your able to prove otherwise.

Breakworld bullet was pre weakening.

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@firelordmagnus:

He got nerfered and regained his power. At one point he even had to rely on drugs. It's really up to you to prove that current Magneto is somehow back to his classic power levels

Magneto after supposedly being weakened performed feats like pulling the breakworld bullet that was the size of a city and that was moving at light speed. Also more recently he dragged enough iron to make a core for mars across space causally. So he has showcased much better power feats than his classic counterpart unless your able to prove otherwise.

I never said power I said combat , the feats you've mentioned aren't combat applicable so they aren't relevant to this discussion. When's the last time current Magneto had shields that could no sell attacks from thor and she-hulk at the same time , or blood manipulation strong enough to overpower Herucles etc... It's the combat feats that matter most in versus battles.

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#23  Edited By PurplehairedNi1

@firelordmagnus:

Just because he doesn't operate at those levels anymore doesn't mean he's weaker. Multiple Marvel characters doesn't operate on par with their classic counterparts anymore for example Storm and Ironman does that mean those characters are weaker no because both of the individuals I mentioned has grown

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@purplehairedni1:

Just because he doesn't operate at those levels anymore doesn't mean he's weake

"Weaker "might be the wrong word but it does prove that Classic Magneto Operates at higher levels than Current Magneto. This is why for most battle threads regarding Magneto we have something like "Round 1: current Magneto , Round 2: Classic" This is due to the fact that Classic Magneto consistently operates at higher levels than his Current counterpart and is considered superior to him.

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If Magento has his helmet he is going after Xavier, not Sue, because he knows Jean can drop Sue with tp faster than she can Xavier and a sorcerer they may have psi resistance. Magik got Voodoo. Team one.

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@kasya_carey: You asked for some Voodoo feats, thought I'd tag you since I have some here.

@pyrofn said:
@youngjustice said:

I feel Voodoo is the MVP here. Between his soul manipulation, telepathy, necromancy, and time manipulation, he should be able to take down Majik and Magneto with assistance from Sue, although I do think she is the weakest link here (especially since this is Morals On.)

The real battle is between Xavier and Jean, who I feel stalemate each other long enough to give T2 the win once Voodoo and Sue take out Magnus and Majik and can assist him.

I don’t think Voodoo has any counter to the soulsword, which is fully capable of dispelling all kinds of magic.

I'm not sure how solid Majik's magic negation is, even very recently, Wong was able to dispel her soul sword using magic:

This is a tactic he himself utilized on a student earlier in the Strange Academy series, so I feel it's relatively safe to say this is something he should be able to do here.

From looking at her respect threads, it seems like her soulsword is moreso effective against actual enchantments and not magic in and of itself, and if that is the case, then I don't think that's solid enough to go against Jericho.

Not to mention that I think it's arguable that Jericho's soul manipulation is unique enough to negate anything her soulsword could do.

Even if he's physically dispelled from his body, he can hijack someone else's and operate through them:

these are in reverse order

And he's done this several times, so this is definitely something he would utilize here if needed:

@youngjustice: There's a lot of powers Voodoo doesn't use often. He's definitely not going to be able to beat Magik, not without help from one of his other teammates.

Ehh, I think he's always been a character that's consistently used his entire array of abilities.

The least used one was his time manipulation, but even had a spike in using that ability since his time in Strange Academy:

His soul manipulation has always been fairly solid, as shown earlier in this post, but even in one of his first modern appearances he was able to utilize his soul manipulation to stop a soul from entering a host body:

His necromancy is very solid, as shown in his fights against Nightmare, Blackheart, and Black Knight:

His TP is a bit wonky, admittedly, but him being able to override the Ancient One's mind control is a very strong feat imo:

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I also think it's worth noting that he still has access to all the spells he learned during his tenure as Sorcerer Supreme, so things such as the Crimson Bands of Cyttorak and Winds of Watoomb at his disposal.

Overall, I think he's just much more experienced and complex than Majik and that it'd show in a battle between the two of them, leaning towards his favor.

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#27  Edited By chiq
@youngjustice said:

I'm not sure how solid Majik's magic negation is, even very recently, Wong was able to dispel her soul sword using magic:

Wow...unless Wong got an amp, ( I normally don't like saying pis) but that seems like bad writing.

Soul Sword has one-shot Dormammu, intimidated Mephisto in his realm, undo Juggernauts enchantment, etc...

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/original/10/108342/7468187-nightmare3-620x958.jpg

Nightmare was told to steal the Soul Sword.

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/original/10/108342/3119276-nightcrawler%20soulsword.jpg

Demon Lords and Sorcerers have killed whole armies to obtain it. Mephisto, Doom and Cython have tried to steal it. That puts Wong in a different league as a magic user.

Phoenix Rachel couldn't undo it's enchantment.

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/original/10/108342/3055423-shadowcat18.jpg

From looking at her respect threads, it seems like her soulsword is moreso effective against actual enchantments and not magic in and of itself, and if that is the case, then I don't think that's solid enough to go against Jericho.

What does this mean? It's harmed all sorts of magical beings and even disrupted an entire dimension filled with magic.

Not to mention that I think it's arguable that Jericho's soul manipulation is unique enough to negate anything her soulsword could do.

Even if he's physically dispelled from his body, he can hijack someone else's and operate through them:

Magik can manipulate souls too and even make weapons out of souls like pixes Soul Dagger. In fact the SS can and has absorbed multiple souls in it.

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/original/10/108342/8202318-14-8.jpg

Taking out a spectral being possessing Storm

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The least used one was his time manipulation, but even had a spike in using that ability since his time in Strange Academy:

Magik is a casual time traveller and has used time manipulation to age animals.

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/original/10/108342/6711509-screen%20shot%202018-12-04%20at%201.41.28%20pm.png

Doctor Strange even commented on Magik's extraordinary time ability to manipulate time.

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/original/10/108342/3055375-xm8%20-%20copy.jpg

His necromancy is very solid, as shown in his fights against Nightmare, Blackheart, and Black Knight:

Has a demon army of her own to combat this. They also have feats of overpowering groups of heroes, etc...

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/original/10/108342/7600611-rco013_w_1596639210.jpg

In fact i would think she would have an even more unending army to draw upon given that Limbo demons have destroyed entire timelines and killed multiple versions of Avengers.

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/original/10/108342/5138225-screen%20shot%202016-04-07%20at%206.48.26%20pm.png

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She can also casually teleport them away and seal them

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/original/10/108342/5598061-456081-new_x_men_018_page_17.jpg

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unleash a AOE attack to get them off her.

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/original/10/108342/4909943-screen%20shot%202015-11-15%20at%2011.36.29%20pm.png

I also think it's worth noting that he still has access to all the spells he learned during his tenure as Sorcerer Supreme, so things such as the Crimson Bands of Cyttorak and Winds of Watoomb at his disposal.

Magik has destroyed the crimson bands with Cyttorak along with the gem itself. Something Doc Strange thought could never be done. Magik also has a ton of spells that could affect this battle not to mention her creative use of teleportation.

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/original/10/108342/7134538-screen%20shot%202019-07-13%20at%204.59.01%20pm.png

Overall, I think he's just much more experienced and complex than Majik and that it'd show in a battle between the two of them, leaning towards his favor.

Recently Magik was recruited along with Clea as a show of force vs beings like Umar. IIRC think Voodo was relegated along with the other magic users of earth to help contain the lesser magical beings

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/original/10/108342/8458790-screenshot2022-04-20at3.56.32pm.png

While Magik was drawn into the main battle vs 3 mothers (Beings of Vast magical power)

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