Fight takes place outside of the DC and Marvel universe.
ARE STILL CAPABLE OF ACCESSING THEIR FULL POWER.
Michael OR Lucifer are (individually) stronger than CAS.
morrison s cosmology,author statements and literally the company itself already debunked that notion
Morrison's cosmology, firstly, isn't even being used right now, secondly Final Crisis is getting retconned as we speak (more and more parts of it are becoming less canon), and thirdly, the company and author statements have not debunked anything. There are many more scans and author statements supporting the Presence, Michael and Lucifer than there are supporting CAS.
Give this thread a try.
@bdelloidgrain2: give this threads a try then:
@bdelloidgrain2: give this threads a try then:
I read the first one. The second one, I have also already read (and was also debunked). The third one was a thread involving me (so obviously I'm aware of it). Regardless, the only thread that really helps you out in this instance is the first thread.
Check out these threads as well. They further debunk CAS and Monitors.
I can never find a middle ground in these threads. It's always " Solos or spitestomp"
Well, what do you expect? You put cosmic entities against each other. They either have to completely dominate the other by some factor or else they just get obliterated.
HOTU Thanos would stomp Michael. Don't know about God Doom, but the others added are non-factors. If you looked up past threads made about these characters and individual battles such as this, you could see why adding them would've completely tipped the scale.
@rxdking: well that's because most of Miley's feats are really statements I can't really post them just yet but I will be making an RT on him after I finish destinys. But to some it up he is his father's power he has no end to his power. For example the presence had enough energy to easily create the multiverse 1000 times Mikey should be able to replicate this. He has renewed creation atom by atom. Has the power to wipe the world tree which connects all universes. Cannot die as long as he has power. Is said to rival lucifer. Etc
The thing is, Michael is probably tied being the 2nd/3rd most powerful being in the DC Multiverse. He's an extension of God's power. Kinda like Lucifer is an extension of God's will. His main tool is the Dunamis Demiurgos. A raw spark of infinite power used to create everything. From the tiniest bacteria to entire Multiverses. From physical matter to abstract platonic concepts. Micheal is the key to spark Creation while Lucifer molds it. But to give you a feat, he basically slapped an unbound Spectre nearly instantaneous into submission. A being that's slightly weaker than the LT.
First, he IS God’s infinite power, the word that builds and breaks. With the demiurge, he brought the infinite multiverse (everything from matter to logic) into being and laid the foundation of all existence (beyond conceptual level) and every force in creation. Lucifer wove the multiverse into form.
Michael’s power has also created two additional
Infinite multiverses aside from DC, Lucifer’s and finally Elaine’s (who had the power of the demiurge but it was still Michael’s power.) Being that he is its harbinger, Michael is capable of wiping out all of existence and his death actually will wipe out all of existence.
His powers and grip over creation is so strong, that he was capable of restoring every atom in creation, every moment that passed, and we know from the panel that not only was his power restoring everything from matter to ideas, but it also was restoring Heaven and the angels themselves. That alone puts him vastly beyond multiversal as he imposed power over the entire multiverse moment by moment.
He is also capable of harming Lucifer with focused blasts of his power. This is the same Lucifer that tanked the point blank range DC verse level explosion without a scratch, 3 times, and once while severely weakened.
Michael is in fact capable of destroying Lucifer as he has infinitely more power, just not the heart to use it.
He is beyond the Endless themselves as they are functions of the multiverse he created. He has also literally physically beaten unbound Spectre several times without using his actual power.
This is not even me scaling him to being inferior to him and their feats, which would still outclass everyone on team Marvel.
Michael operates on levels so vastly beyond this team that they can do nothing to him as his mature would NOPE majority if not all attacks and his offensive power would casually eradicate them.
At best, they get the Spectre treatment. At worst, they the Silk Man treatment.
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