@olorun: Yes, but who has Quasar beat? Maybe i just forgot
Marvel High Tier vs DC High Tiers
@whathappened: according to you... Norrin.
Thor vs Superman - imma say Thor high diff
Sentry vs WW - depends, but I'm assuming stable. Tough one but imma say Sentry?
Hulk (in the image) vs GL - Hulk simply because of the version, although I do think base GL is > base Hulk
Hellstorm vs MMH- imma say MMH
BB vs Etrigan- dunno much about Etrigan but from what I've seen so far, imma say Etrigan
BRB vs Kyle- extremely tough one,unsure
Quasar vs Shazam- imma say Quasar high diff
SS vs Orion- depends on the Orion, but Orion more times than not
Overall as a team:
Either team DC (because I think they might be able to be slightly more powerful in their combination).
Or
Team Marvel (because I think they might pull off more individual wins).
That's my take on it.
Thor vs Superman
This fight already happened in canon. Superman wins.
Sentry vs WW
Despite being vastly overrated, Sentry is still a solid high-tier while WW isn't. Sentry wins.
WBH VS Hal
Massive mismatch. To understand how severe it is, let's look at Savage Hulk VS Hal in another canon crossover.
Short but telling fight. Both Hal and Hulk are capable of shrugging off sucker punches from one another. Hal tries to use his constructs against Hulk, but he either overpowers them or outright flexes them off (when Hulk does this, Hal doubles over, implying the feedback hurt him). He also says Hulk might be the strongest opponent he's faced.
Now, let's look at WBH's fight with RSH. The shockwave of their clash destroyed the planet they were on and cracked a nearby moon, along with incinerating Foom and Bi-Beast and Wendigo.
I linked RTs for those 3 Hulk rogues so there would be some reference to their capabilities. If you click on them, you'll see stuff like Bi-Beast being stated to be as strong as regular Hulk and giving him a tough time, or Foom being stated to be a challenge to Hulk and giving him and other-high tiers a tough time, or Wendigo being said to potentially be Hulk's toughest foe and slicing him with his claws and giving him a tough fight multiple times.
No-selling their attacks and them struggling to get near him would already be far beyond Hulk or Hal. WBH incinerating them with just the shockwave of his clash? That's literal orders of magnitude above regular Hulk, and thus, Hal too.
Hellstrom vs MMH
Guy who can shoot fire VS Guy whose kryptonite is fire. Hellstrom wins.
Black Bolt vs Etrigan
Etrigan has the edge in strength, but BB's voice tips it in his favor.
BRB vs Kyle
BRB is a consistent peer to Thor. You know who else is? Wonder Man. Why does this matter?
Wonder Man (Thor, and thus, BRB's peer) flexes out of Kyle's constructs and no-sells his offense. BRB wins.
Quasar vs Shazam
Shazam should be much faster, along with fully capable of shattering Quasar's constructs seeing how the much weaker WW did so.
SS vs Orion
Surfer won in Darkseid VS Galactus: The Hunger, but there's no proof it's canon so it's not usable. However, they still do have a common measuring stick, that being Kyle Rayner.
Surfer solidly defeats Kyle, and again, this crossover is canon (5 of the fights in this crossover were fanvoted but this wasn't one of them). Now, let's look at Orion compared to Kyle.
- Scan 1-2: Kyle withstands an energy attack that KOs Orion
- Scan 3-7: White Martian tanks two hits from Orion despite Orion lighting himself on fire (their Kryptonite) Kyle KOs this same White Martian with a surprise attack (the fact that Orion landed double the amount of hits and was emitting their Kryptonite negates the fact that it's a cheapshot)
So based on this on top of Surfer's overall edge in versatility, he should take it. 6-2 in favor of Marvel.
@karkus: Good post.
I believe Superman and MMH to be the biggest threats on DC side. No previous knowledge. However, OP noted perfect teamwork. With the amount of battle experience on marvel’s side, I believe they will come to realize and/or observe from their attacks that MMH is weak to fire. They can exploit this by having Hellstrom focus his attacks on MMH, while rest of team protect him. I realize DC characters have their own experienced warriors, but I just feel the weakness to fire is too big a problem to overcome, especially when it’s one of your top hitters. Following this strategy, MMH gets taken out and then then rest of team DC fall one by one. Anything can happen in a battle of this magnitude, this is just how I see it playing out.
Not sure what WB hulk is going to do alone.
In terms of high-end feats, everybody on the DC team is above him.
Call the DC feats what you want but let this sink in it did happen. Stand-alone no combine might or wish needed.
I see two green lanterns here plus Orion not sure what Surfer is going to do alone.
Based on the OP rules the DC team wins. ( In character) ( Please note speed Kills )
@termiteone4ever: Surfers feats alone are enough to solo this going by high-ends.
After MM beats overwhelms SS, how does he not destroy the entire Marvel team with TP while they are occupied with other formidable DC characters?
After MM beats overwhelms SS, how does he not destroy the entire Marvel team with TP while they are occupied with other formidable DC characters?
Because his powers don't allow him to TP entire teams of high tiers unless you high-end him to shit.
Not sure what WB hulk is going to do alone.
In terms of high-end feats, everybody on the DC team is above him.
Call the DC feats what you want but let this sink in it did happen. Stand-alone no combine might or wish needed.
I see two green lanterns here plus Orion not sure what Surfer is going to do alone.
Based on the OP rules the DC team wins. ( In character) ( Please note speed Kills )
He is gonna incinerate them.
Really, what are their high-end feats? Half the people on DC team tried to destroy a planet while hitting it together and failed.
Oh and btw that bullshit about wishes that you and your ilk peddled on here for years got recently turned into bunk, not only can Hulk gamma bust without even going WBH with enough power to make a continent size explosion and take out even a Celestial and overwhelm OF Thor
But him and Thor hyped up on each others powers replicated the WBH/RSH feat by clashing and blowing up a planet
While a dozen DC heroes, trying to destroy Earth by Supermans own words, hitting it with everything they got, couldn't
Marvel team literally obliterates them, (oh and please note speed doesn't stop you from getting incinerated by a much more powerful foe).
@termiteone4ever: Surfers feats alone are enough to solo this going by high-ends.
I am aware of all surfer's high-end feats. All the different time powers were granted and taken.
Based on the characters here on the DC team. I hope you are aware as well. If you are doing a composite Surfer do a composite of the DC as well. See how that works out.
Not sure what WB hulk is going to do alone.
In terms of high-end feats, everybody on the DC team is above him.
Call the DC feats what you want but let this sink in it did happen. Stand-alone no combine might or wish needed.
I see two green lanterns here plus Orion not sure what Surfer is going to do alone.
Based on the OP rules the DC team wins. ( In character) ( Please note speed Kills )
He is gonna incinerate them.
Really, what are their high-end feats? Half the people on DC team tried to destroy a planet while hitting it together and failed.
Oh and btw that bullshit about wishes that you and your ilk peddled on here for years got recently turned into bunk, not only can Hulk gamma bust without even going WBH with enough power to make a continent size explosion and take out even a Celestial and overwhelm OF Thor
But him and Thor hyped up on each others powers replicated the WBH/RSH feat by clashing and blowing up a planet
While a dozen DC heroes, trying to destroy Earth by Supermans own words, hitting it with everything they got, couldn't
Marvel team literally obliterates them, (oh and please note speed doesn't stop you from getting incinerated by a much more powerful foe).
All the DC team members have higher ends feats than anything that the HULK has produced. No need to get into a long argument with you who is going to try to aim at low ball feats. It's all about high-end feats done alone on their own power. Your weak assault on DC characters falls short.
This so call gamma glow cannot as much give any Kryptonian a scratch. Your vision of the hulk is mightier than the writer's pen. Let this one sink in. Unlike the Hulk, they have been powering up for years and yet you struggle to compare him with various DC heroes. The fact is DC has been powering down their characters for years.
The Hulk is powerful in his own respectful rights. Now based on high-end no holding back on these characters here the Hulk doesn't stand chance.
Just remember a weakened superman easily busted a planet no matter how much you complain on low ball it did happen.
I think you are getting a little too excited about this Hulk V/s THor comics that have been out. I am not sure or remember the size of the explosion its a good feat but not enough to celebrate anything.
Uhh tough, I think overall I give the edge to DC.
WBH too strong bro
@professorrespect: he’s not strong enough to take on multiple dc high tiers at once. World breaker hulk was like, what? Planetary? So is everyone on the team
@professorrespect: he’s not strong enough to take on multiple dc high tiers at once. World breaker hulk was like, what? Planetary? So is everyone on the team
@professorrespect: he’s not strong enough to take on multiple dc high tiers at once. World breaker hulk was like, what? Planetary? So is everyone on the team
Is this not World Breaker Hulk? I always get him confused with World War Hulk and can't tell the difference so if I'm wrong then yes he stomps and this was a mismatch to begin with.
Ok lol never mind got the versions mixed up. Yeah, but still don't think World Breaker Hulk is that strong, but he did destroy a planet after punching Red She Hulk
He also took one step and it almost sank the easter seaboard. Nothing notable though. If someone would like to educate me I'm all ears.
@professorrespect: he’s not strong enough to take on multiple dc high tiers at once. World breaker hulk was like, what? Planetary? So is everyone on the team
Nope.
@professorrespect: he’s not strong enough to take on multiple dc high tiers at once. World breaker hulk was like, what? Planetary? So is everyone on the team
Nope.
Yes got the version mixed up, How strong is he?
@professorrespect: he’s not strong enough to take on multiple dc high tiers at once. World breaker hulk was like, what? Planetary? So is everyone on the team
Nope.
Yes got the version mixed up, How strong is he?
World Breaker is planetary. The difference is that him showing up once means he's sensationally consistent in that matter, thus is the only one with a legitimate standing to be called as such.
@professorrespect: he’s not strong enough to take on multiple dc high tiers at once. World breaker hulk was like, what? Planetary? So is everyone on the team
Nope.
Yes got the version mixed up, How strong is he?
World Breaker is planetary.
So nothing special. Every character on this list is planetary, from both Marvel and Dc. I have yet to see any good arguments for either side, and I'm not very familiar with all the characters.
@professorrespect: he’s not strong enough to take on multiple dc high tiers at once. World breaker hulk was like, what? Planetary? So is everyone on the team
Nope.
Yes got the version mixed up, How strong is he?
World Breaker is planetary.
So nothing special. Every character on this list is planetary, from both Marvel and Dc. I have yet to see any good arguments for either side, and I'm not very familiar with all the characters.
I stated why that's special above. No one here is planetary bar Surfer, and he's not in the state of mind to really do big stuff like he's been shown he can.
@professorrespect: According to every one else, not only is Surfer inconsistent, but so is Hulk. With any of these characters you can range them from Planetary to Galaxy level.
@professorrespect: he’s not strong enough to take on multiple dc high tiers at once. World breaker hulk was like, what? Planetary? So is everyone on the team
Nope.
Yes got the version mixed up, How strong is he?
World Breaker is planetary. The difference is that him showing up once means he's sensationally consistent in that matter, thus is the only one with a legitimate standing to be called as such.
He isn't. He is galaxy level
@professorrespect: According to every one else, not only is Surfer inconsistent, but so is Hulk. With any of these characters you can range them from Planetary to Galaxy level.
WBH has like one fight and it was the planetary showing. Surfer isn't "inconsistent" it's just that his morals make sure he's not hurling out what he can bother to do.
You can't range anyone else to planetary on a consistent basis, and you'd have to be VsBattles scaling to even attempt to get anyone here to galaxy level, that's ridiculous.
@professorrespect: According to every one else, not only is Surfer inconsistent, but so is Hulk. With any of these characters you can range them from Planetary to Galaxy level.
WBH has like one fight and it was the planetary showing. Surfer isn't "inconsistent" it's just that his morals make sure he's not hurling out what he can bother to do.
You can't range anyone else to planetary on a consistent basis, and you'd have to be VsBattles scaling to even attempt to get anyone here to galaxy level, that's ridiculous.
So WBH has one fight and he's the strongest person here? Not the best argument I've heard. But I still don't know enough about every character on both teams, so I can't comment on the winner.
@professorrespect: According to every one else, not only is Surfer inconsistent, but so is Hulk. With any of these characters you can range them from Planetary to Galaxy level.
WBH has like one fight and it was the planetary showing. Surfer isn't "inconsistent" it's just that his morals make sure he's not hurling out what he can bother to do.
You can't range anyone else to planetary on a consistent basis, and you'd have to be VsBattles scaling to even attempt to get anyone here to galaxy level, that's ridiculous.
So WBH has one fight and he's the strongest person here? Not the best argument I've heard. But I still don't know enough about every character on both teams, so I can't comment on the winner.
Yeah WBH had one fight where he was planetary and nothing else, so his consistency is miles better than anyone else here. It's a pretty sound argument all things considered.
@professorrespect: According to every one else, not only is Surfer inconsistent, but so is Hulk. With any of these characters you can range them from Planetary to Galaxy level.
WBH has like one fight and it was the planetary showing. Surfer isn't "inconsistent" it's just that his morals make sure he's not hurling out what he can bother to do.
You can't range anyone else to planetary on a consistent basis, and you'd have to be VsBattles scaling to even attempt to get anyone here to galaxy level, that's ridiculous.
So WBH has one fight and he's the strongest person here? Not the best argument I've heard. But I still don't know enough about every character on both teams, so I can't comment on the winner.
Yeah WBH had one fight where he was planetary and nothing else, so his consistency is miles better than anyone else here. It's a pretty sound argument all things considered.
Thats like me saying since Watchdog man hasn't lost a fight, despite only being in one actual fight, he's the strongest OPM character besides Saitama or Blast.
@chris2kzombieki: The difference is that's speculative reasoning (he never lost...yet so he must be better) while I'm using limitation as a consistency (he's been planetary once in this VERY specific form compared to outliers and high ends for regular characters) so not really the same.
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