marvel heralds vs dc heralds

Marvel Heralds:

Silver Surfer, Sentry, Firelord, Thor, Quasar, WB Hulk, Fallen One

DC Heralds:

Captain Atom, Shazam, Alan Scott, Orion, Wonder Woman, Hal Jordan, Martian Manhunter

All bloodlust

Takes place on the Moon

Morals off

No OP versions of characters

Sudden encounter, 100m away from eachother

Huh Wonder Woman herald level ?

Wonder woman, thor, Hal Jordan and MM and hulk are herald lvl?!?

Marvel probably

@MOWJACK: of course she is, she's one of the top heroes listed, above Thor in my opinion. & @tantani: are you being serious?

@cam_cash: in terms of power she is the weakest one here,her power levels are below Herald level,and yeah in terms of power Thor is on another league compared to her.

@Mowjack: her power is incredible, go look up some of her feats and you'll know why I'm saying she is Herald Level

@cam_cash: except that they are not on superman's level let alone Thor's level

@mowjack: all depends on the version of Wonder Woman you're talking about and you say "let alone Thor's level" as if you believe Thor is above Superman's level?

I've thoroughly searched through Wonder Woman respect threads before and I've never seen a feat putting her anywhere near Herald level.

Her only displays of planetary strenght were combined feats with Superman, Martian Manhunter and Green Lantern helping, depending on the occasion, and the best measurable durability feat that I can remember right now was surviving a nuke, that's far from Herald level.

The last time Sentry fought a herald he beat him with about the same effort it would require me to beat up an infant, so Ill go with that grouping...

@marishtar: thank you very much

Herald level....I'm not sure you understand who is and isn't a herald....

@ouroborik:

So Martian Manhunter and Flash are also not Herald lvl anymore?

Is it not a bit weird to you, that so many non Heralds would beat Thor?

And you obviously never read a Pre crisis Wonder Woman respect thread.

The only herald level here are Sufer Qauser Alan Atom Firelord and Sentry

@marishtar: Herald level or at least what passes of as the definition here is some who is planet level at a minimum. Wonder Woman, Thor and Billy dont qualify. Hal does and MMH probably does too, based on his TP power.

@brucerogers:

That's bullshit and then would MMH also not pass, let alone many versions of Hal Jordan.

It is enough to keep up with guys who have planet lvl feats(otherwise would some Skyfathers lvler not count as Herald lvl...), and Pre crisis Wonder Woman(he just said no OP versions, but that's still standart) is even Star lvl.

@marishtar: MMH does not qualify based on physicals, but based on TP he most certainly does. Also funny how you talk about different versions of Hal, yet choose the most powerful and equally irrelevant version of WW to make your point.

Anywhoo, Post Crisis Hal at least has one planetary level feat, while WW and Shazam do not. Please feel free to share if you think I am wrong.

@brucerogers:

So how exactly qualifies TP in your logic, just planet lvl TP would put even Maxwell Lord at Herald lvl...

Have you even read my first post, i listed all standart versions of them(and dividied in Herald or not)? The TS made a Herald thread with some characters who are based on the versions Herald lvl or not and said no OP versions, so it makes sense to use the Herald versions.

And Wonder Woman had 1 mftl+ feat, but that counts obviously as outlier. Hal is Herald lvl cause he kept up, hurt, tanked attacks from and even beat Herald lvler, exactly like Shazam, Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter, Thor and Flash.

And even following your MMH example and logic would Post crisis Wonder Woman just need the Lansiarian Morphing Disk(which was even standart gear for several years in the Post crisis timeline), to be Herald lvl.

Marvel. Silver surfer, Sentry and Thor could solo in my opinion.

EDIT: As in, all three of them. Not any one of them.

I'm not sure you understand what the concept of a herald is.

Composite Hal Jordan is above Skyfather level, Fernus could qualify.

DC

Sentry and Silver Surfer are too much.

@cam_cash: I see the herald tier as people like Silver Surfer

The people listed above are mid-high high tier as I see it

Morals off Alan Scott is Starheart taking over, who might be able to solo. Morals off J'onn becomes Fernus who would also solo.

@supermanwithatan01: do they beat Void?

@pimonster31415: I didn't see Void just Sentry.

Shazam and Wonder Woman are not Heralds. They are more like High Tiers. As for Thor and Sentry, that's pretty debatable. I would also put them on High Tier level, but oh well. You can put them on Herald level as well. Alan on the other hand does not belong here. Morals Off/Bloodlusted Alan is a tier or two above Heralds. He could solo Team Marvel to be honest.

Team one

Wonder Woman, Captain Marvel, Thor and Sentry aren't Heralds.

1. Wrong. Maxwell Lord affected the planet with a device connected to him and amplifying his TP in Generation Lost. Hes not a planetary level telepath at all. Over the years him just using it for brief moments made his nose bleed, and it took him years to pry into Clark's mind and take it over.

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2. Wonder Woman is not a Herald. Somebody who struggles with random Green Lanterns cannot be a Herald and certainly not an elite high tier either. J'onn has some versatility to put him at Low Herald at best and even then thats debatable.

Marvel with Sentry/SS being MVP's.

Also so many non heralds in this battle...

That is not even a bit debatable for Thor, Post Crisis Wonder Woman is superior and even Post Crisis Shazam is arguably superior to Thor, he is no Herald period.

Although depending on what no OP versions really means to the thread starter, considering that World Breaker Hulk is apparently no OP version, could be all of them comfortably Heralds or above.

Anyways, Team Marvel likely wins.

So, based on general consensus, to be Herald you must be at least Planet Level, I guess busting a Moon would fit the categorie, since there are planets at size of moons and moons with the size of planets.

Superman, and even Thor would fit the category!

WW cuts everyone's head!

@katrurius17: Hey you asshole keep your shitty wonder woman wank to yourself and your 90 different altself

You custard fuck

Wtf?

This site has gone so much to shit with all these new kiddy users, it's not even funny anymore.

Planet level normally refers to around Earth sized, and even small Planet level is normally considered as higher than Moon level. But the definition of Heralds is anyways more complex than just could bust a planet, Pre 52 Superman should fit the bill of a low Herald, but Thor not.

So many variables here.

Do you mean by morals off/Bloodlusted mean Sentry turns into Void/DSS, Martian Manhunter into Fernus, Alan Scott into Starheart AS??

If that‘s the case Team DC.

DC.

Deathbattles Hal can solo

They calc'd him to be 10,000 times more powerful than a universal being, he has casual universal destruction offense and defense.

He's also 45 quadrillion times the speed of light and can go back in time or absorb all the energy of his enemies.

DC

Wait, which version for most of them?

@morbusgrav: pre 52 I believe

DC

Marvel. Shazam the weakest link