Marvel gods vs The Spectre
My position with the Spectre is that he not on the l;evel of Galactus. Some even put him on level with the Living Tribunal, but he is a being of magic who judges those on earth. Even when he is a part of some great event, it because earth is a part of it. I don't understand why most want to make him a cosmic level character when he has no cosmic level connection.
Although Odin made the Destroyer as powerful as he could, it was not infused with all the power of the other celestial 'Skyfathers'.
Each bequeathed only a fraction of their might in to the Destroyer.
Additionally, although the Destroyer has these immense capabilities, in the battle with the Celestials these were further augmented beyond their normal level as Odin took his lifeforce and those of every other Asgardian (apart from Thor) to power the Destroyer armour. This caused the Destroyer to swell to massive size (I think it was 2000' tall).
Although the Destroyer has massive energy projection powers, huge strength and is virtually indestructible, the range of it's powers are limited in scope.
It can project a disintegration beam, or a heat beam or many other energy forms but it's powers are nowhere near as variable as a 'Skyfathers'.
So it packs a huge punch but lacks the varaibility needed to overcome foes in certain conditions.
The Spectre at his top end power level is much more powerful than the Destroyer and his powers have virtually unlimited variability. For instance he can rearrange matter, open dimensional appertures, teleport objects as well as increasing his size / strength. There is almost no end to the application of his power.
The Spectre wins.
"So given a fraction the power of the skyfathers, the Destroyer was able to do battle with the Celestials.Although Odin made the Destroyer as powerful as he could, it was not infused with all the power of the other celestial 'Skyfathers'.
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Each bequeathed only a fraction of their might in to the Destroyer.
Additionally, although the Destroyer has these immense capabilities, in the battle with the Celestials these were further augmented beyond their normal level as Odin took his lifeforce and those of every other Asgardian (apart from Thor) to power the Destroyer armour. This caused the Destroyer to swell to massive size (I think it was 2000' tall).
Although the Destroyer has massive energy projection powers, huge strength and is virtually indestructible, the range of it's powers are limited in scope.
It can project a disintegration beam, or a heat beam or many other energy forms but it's powers are nowhere near as variable as a 'Skyfathers'.
So it packs a huge punch but lacks the varaibility needed to overcome foes in certain conditions.
The Spectre at his top end power level is much more powerful than the Destroyer and his powers have virtually unlimited variability. For instance he can rearrange matter, open dimensional appertures, teleport objects as well as increasing his size / strength. There is almost no end to the application of his power.
The Spectre wins.
So if given all of their power, how would the Destroyer then fair against the Spectre?
So given a fraction the power of the skyfathers, the Destroyer was able to do battle with the Celestials.Against the Spectre at full power, it would still lose.
So if given all of their power, how would the Destroyer then fair against the Spectre?"
Don't forget that the Destroyer, even with the Odin Sword, posed almost no threat to the Celestials. The Destroyer plunged the Odin sword in to one of them and it simply withdrew it and melted the sword that was long considered to be indestructible. An energy beam from the Celestial host smashed the Destroyer.
"Alpha said:So given a fraction the power of the skyfathers, the Destroyer was able to do battle with the Celestials.Against the Spectre at full power, it would still lose.
So if given all of their power, how would the Destroyer then fair against the Spectre?"
Don't forget that the Destroyer, even with the Odin Sword, posed almost no threat to the Celestials. The Destroyer plunged the Odin sword in to one of them and it simply withdrew it and melted the sword that was long considered to be indestructible. An energy beam from the Celestial host smashed the Destroyer."
But the acts of power you stated by the Spectre have been done by Odin (though at a lesser scale)., and the other skyfahters (like Zeus) have been noted to rival Odin's power. If these things are true, the combined power of the deities, should rival that of the Spectre (in my opinion, surpass him).
But the acts of power you stated by the Spectre have been done by Odin (though at a lesser scale)., and the other skyfahters (like Zeus) have been noted to rival Odin's power. If these things are true, the combined power of the deities, should rival that of the Spectre (in my opinion, surpass him)."Again it comes down to viewing the power level of the skyfathers over most of their appearances rather than the 'standout' ones that are obviously not in line with the majhority of their power displays.
A single Celestial was said to be able to close of the dimensional apperatures to all the extradimensional realms of all the earthly gods. That means that a clelestials energy manipulation power was greater than any single earthly god. This point formed one of the cornerstones of the 3rd hosts visit to Earth.
In kost instances the skyfathers are massively powerful beings, that could effect planetary wide changes (in msot of their appearances).
However their power was far below that of Galactus for instance.
The Spectre at his top end power level was among the most powerful beings in the DC universe. He has few peers but today he seems a shadow of his former self.
"Alpha said:But the acts of power you stated by the Spectre have been done by Odin (though at a lesser scale)., and the other skyfahters (like Zeus) have been noted to rival Odin's power. If these things are true, the combined power of the deities, should rival that of the Spectre (in my opinion, surpass him)."Again it comes down to viewing the power level of the skyfathers over most of their appearances rather than the 'standout' ones that are obviously not in line with the majhority of their power displays.
A single Celestial was said to be able to close of the dimensional apperatures to all the extradimensional realms of all the earthly gods. That means that a clelestials energy manipulation power was greater than any single earthly god. This point formed one of the cornerstones of the 3rd hosts visit to Earth.
In kost instances the skyfathers are massively powerful beings, that could effect planetary wide changes (in msot of their appearances).
However their power was far below that of Galactus for instance.
The Spectre at his top end power level was among the most powerful beings in the DC universe. He has few peers but today he seems a shadow of his former self."
I'm beginning to see your point. More research into the true state of the skyfathers and the Spectre is needed on my part.
"Can you tell something about Specter's powers?"
Noted here on the Vine:
Intangibility
Flight--fly at any speed
Invisibility
Teleportation
Fear Projection--can project fear into the heart and souls of adversaries
Inanimate Possession--inhabit and animate inanimate objects
Illusion Casting--ability to project realistic illusions
Magic Mastery--various mastery over virtually all forms of magic
Discern Motivation--can sense the intentions of people
Cosmic Awareness--knows many secrets of the universe
Precognition--sometimes gets glimpses into the future
Superhuman Strength
Superhuman Stamina
Superhuman Speed
Invulnerability
"Thats True. If The Spectre isnt at full power... he could lose hereIf the Spectre is fully powered he wins easy. If not any other version of the Spectre loses badly
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"If the Spectre is fully powered he wins easy. If not any other version of the Spectre loses badly
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- A lower powered Spectre goes intangible, opens a dimensional gateway and drops it over the Destroyer, transporting him elsewhere. As the Destroyer cannot traverse dimensions he is trapped.
- The Spectre ejects the spirit of the person 'driving' the Destroyer or occupies the armour himself.
well he can be a pretty big dick when he wants to, and generally that tends to be his attitude normally.. :)
the gods would have a better chance and quiet possibly a one sided battle, if they didn't use the destroyer and attacked individually..
"Well if the person 'driving' it can traverse dimensions, then so can the Destroyer. Really this all depends on how much of a dick the Presence feels like being."They can only if the power to traverse dimensions can be used while they are in an astral form as their physical body would remain elsewhere.
The Spectre for the win. Huge difference in power levels, no need for explanations, the Creator already took care of that.
The Spectre is an "aspect" of the Presence (almighty etc), being his wrath (just as the Phantom Stranger is bieng his hope). As such he can draw on as much of the Presence's power as he needs to or is allowed to by the Presence (usually denied when he tries to do something against the presences will just like his predacessor Eclipso). In DCU The Presence created the lords of Order and Chaos. The interaction of these beings caused the Source to exist (and therefore creation) which in turn created the God Wave which created the DCU Gods (Zeus etc). Since they are the DCU equivilent to the Skyfathers we are talking several levels apart in power." the creator said:
"So given a fraction the power of the skyfathers, the Destroyer was able to do battle with the Celestials.So if given all of their power, how would the Destroyer then fair against the Spectre? "Although Odin made the Destroyer as powerful as he could, it was not infused with all the power of the other celestial 'Skyfathers'.
"
Each bequeathed only a fraction of their might in to the Destroyer.
Additionally, although the Destroyer has these immense capabilities, in the battle with the Celestials these were further augmented beyond their normal level as Odin took his lifeforce and those of every other Asgardian (apart from Thor) to power the Destroyer armour. This caused the Destroyer to swell to massive size (I think it was 2000' tall).
Although the Destroyer has massive energy projection powers, huge strength and is virtually indestructible, the range of it's powers are limited in scope.
It can project a disintegration beam, or a heat beam or many other energy forms but it's powers are nowhere near as variable as a 'Skyfathers'.
So it packs a huge punch but lacks the varaibility needed to overcome foes in certain conditions.
The Spectre at his top end power level is much more powerful than the Destroyer and his powers have virtually unlimited variability. For instance he can rearrange matter, open dimensional appertures, teleport objects as well as increasing his size / strength. There is almost no end to the application of his power.
The Spectre wins.
So to simplify the Spectre should have access to the power level that created the power that created teh power that created the Skyfathers (hardly seems fair).
Spectre wins, if he doesn't become the jobbernaught in this battle. That is all up the Presence who has already been stated in this thread as a bigger dick then Superman.
No one mentioned Chaos war Herc. with that power, the destroyer gives Spectre a massive Wedgie and laughs.
Spectre
He better not job.
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