Marvel gods vs The Spectre

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#1  Edited By Hadrelius
Odin once infused all the power of himself and the other skyfathers of the patheons, into the armor of the Destroyer, to battle the Celestials.

How woud the Spectre do against this same being?

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#2  Edited By Scarlet Thor

Galactus beat an Odin-Destroyer the Spectre will win too

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#3  Edited By Hadrelius
Scarlet Thor said:
"Galactus beat an Odin-Destroyer the Spectre will win too"

U think that the Spectre is on the same galactic level of Galactus?

And when did this happen? First I heard of it. Was it filled with power of all the skyfathers as well?
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My position with the Spectre is that he not on the l;evel of Galactus. Some even put him on level with the Living Tribunal, but he is a being of magic who judges those on earth. Even when he is a part of some great event, it because earth is a part of it. I don't understand why most want to make him a cosmic level character when he has no cosmic level connection.

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Although Odin made the Destroyer as powerful as he could, it was not infused with all the power of the other celestial 'Skyfathers'.
Each bequeathed only a fraction of their might in to the Destroyer.
Additionally, although the Destroyer has these immense capabilities, in the battle with the Celestials these were further augmented beyond their normal level as Odin took his lifeforce and those of every other Asgardian (apart from Thor) to power the Destroyer armour. This caused the Destroyer to swell to massive size (I think it was 2000' tall).

Although the Destroyer has massive energy projection powers, huge strength and is virtually indestructible, the range of it's powers are limited in scope.
It can project a disintegration beam, or a heat beam or many other energy forms but it's powers are nowhere near as variable as a 'Skyfathers'.
So it packs a huge punch but lacks the varaibility needed to overcome foes in certain conditions.

The Spectre at his top end power level is much more powerful than the Destroyer and his powers have virtually unlimited variability. For instance he can rearrange matter, open dimensional appertures, teleport objects as well as increasing his size / strength. There is almost no end to the application of his power.

The Spectre wins.

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#6  Edited By Hadrelius
the creator said:
"

Although Odin made the Destroyer as powerful as he could, it was not infused with all the power of the other celestial 'Skyfathers'.
Each bequeathed only a fraction of their might in to the Destroyer.
Additionally, although the Destroyer has these immense capabilities, in the battle with the Celestials these were further augmented beyond their normal level as Odin took his lifeforce and those of every other Asgardian (apart from Thor) to power the Destroyer armour. This caused the Destroyer to swell to massive size (I think it was 2000' tall).

Although the Destroyer has massive energy projection powers, huge strength and is virtually indestructible, the range of it's powers are limited in scope.
It can project a disintegration beam, or a heat beam or many other energy forms but it's powers are nowhere near as variable as a 'Skyfathers'.
So it packs a huge punch but lacks the varaibility needed to overcome foes in certain conditions.

The Spectre at his top end power level is much more powerful than the Destroyer and his powers have virtually unlimited variability. For instance he can rearrange matter, open dimensional appertures, teleport objects as well as increasing his size / strength. There is almost no end to the application of his power.

The Spectre wins.

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So given a fraction the power of the skyfathers, the Destroyer was able to do battle with the Celestials.
So if given all of their power, how would the Destroyer then fair against the Spectre?
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#7  Edited By the creator
Alpha said:
So given a fraction the power of the skyfathers, the Destroyer was able to do battle with the Celestials.
So if given all of their power, how would the Destroyer then fair against the Spectre?"
Against the Spectre at full power, it would still lose.

Don't forget that the Destroyer, even with the Odin Sword, posed almost no threat to the Celestials. The Destroyer plunged the Odin sword in to one of them and it simply withdrew it and melted the sword that was long considered to be indestructible. An energy beam from the Celestial host smashed the Destroyer.
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#8  Edited By Hadrelius
the creator said:
"Alpha said:
So given a fraction the power of the skyfathers, the Destroyer was able to do battle with the Celestials.
So if given all of their power, how would the Destroyer then fair against the Spectre?"
Against the Spectre at full power, it would still lose.

Don't forget that the Destroyer, even with the Odin Sword, posed almost no threat to the Celestials. The Destroyer plunged the Odin sword in to one of them and it simply withdrew it and melted the sword that was long considered to be indestructible. An energy beam from the Celestial host smashed the Destroyer."

But the acts of power you stated by the Spectre have been done by Odin (though at a lesser scale)., and the other skyfahters (like Zeus) have been noted to rival Odin's power. If these things are true, the combined power of the deities, should rival that of the Spectre (in my opinion, surpass him).
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#9  Edited By mira

Can you tell something about Specter's powers? Please.

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#10  Edited By the creator
Alpha said:
But the acts of power you stated by the Spectre have been done by Odin (though at a lesser scale)., and the other skyfahters (like Zeus) have been noted to rival Odin's power. If these things are true, the combined power of the deities, should rival that of the Spectre (in my opinion, surpass him)."
Again it comes down to viewing the power level of the skyfathers over most of their appearances rather than the 'standout' ones that are obviously not in line with the majhority of their power displays.
A single Celestial was said to be able to close of the dimensional apperatures to all the extradimensional realms of all the earthly gods. That means that a clelestials energy manipulation power was greater than any single earthly god. This point formed one of the cornerstones of the 3rd hosts visit to Earth.
In kost instances the skyfathers are massively powerful beings, that could effect planetary wide changes (in msot of their appearances).
However their power was far below that of Galactus for instance.

The Spectre at his top end power level was among the most powerful beings in the DC universe. He has few peers but today he seems a shadow of his former self.
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#11  Edited By Hadrelius
the creator said:
"Alpha said:
But the acts of power you stated by the Spectre have been done by Odin (though at a lesser scale)., and the other skyfahters (like Zeus) have been noted to rival Odin's power. If these things are true, the combined power of the deities, should rival that of the Spectre (in my opinion, surpass him)."
Again it comes down to viewing the power level of the skyfathers over most of their appearances rather than the 'standout' ones that are obviously not in line with the majhority of their power displays.
A single Celestial was said to be able to close of the dimensional apperatures to all the extradimensional realms of all the earthly gods. That means that a clelestials energy manipulation power was greater than any single earthly god. This point formed one of the cornerstones of the 3rd hosts visit to Earth.
In kost instances the skyfathers are massively powerful beings, that could effect planetary wide changes (in msot of their appearances).
However their power was far below that of Galactus for instance.

The Spectre at his top end power level was among the most powerful beings in the DC universe. He has few peers but today he seems a shadow of his former self."

I'm beginning to see your point. More research into the true state of the skyfathers and the Spectre is needed on my part.
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#12  Edited By Hadrelius
mira said:
"Can you tell something about Specter's powers?"

Noted here on the Vine:

Intangibility

Flight--fly at any speed

Invisibility

Teleportation

Fear Projection--can project fear into the heart and souls of adversaries

Inanimate Possession--inhabit and animate inanimate objects

Illusion Casting--ability to project realistic illusions

Magic Mastery--various mastery over virtually all forms of magic

Discern Motivation--can sense the intentions of people

Cosmic Awareness--knows many secrets of the universe

Precognition--sometimes gets glimpses into the future

Superhuman Strength

Superhuman Stamina

Superhuman Speed

Invulnerability

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#13  Edited By mira

Invulnerability?

But Destroyer cannot be defeated even by Odin.

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#14  Edited By Hadrelius
mira said:
"Invulnerability?

But Destroyer cannot be defeated even by Odin."

It's stated that the armor is indestructable. But that's up to debate in my opinion.
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#15  Edited By mira

Yup. But also It's true, that Thor with Odin force was able to defeat Destroyer.

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#16  Edited By Hadrelius
mira said:
"Yup. But also It's true, that Thor with Odin force was able to defeat Destroyer."
Yeah, but not destroy him.
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#17  Edited By mira

By focusing his entire power into a hammer throw, Thor decapitated a Desak-occupied Destroyer (with Odin force).

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#18  Edited By spidey209

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#19  Edited By AtPhantom
Alpha said:
"mira said:
"Invulnerability?

But Destroyer cannot be defeated even by Odin."

It's stated that the armor is indestructable. But that's up to debate in my opinion."
There are others beyond Odin who can defeat him.
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#20  Edited By King_Saturn
The Spectre should still win here
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#21  Edited By SeSAW

If the Spectre is fully powered he wins easy. If not any other version of the Spectre loses badly

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#22  Edited By King_Saturn
SeSAW said:
"

If the Spectre is fully powered he wins easy. If not any other version of the Spectre loses badly

"
Thats True. If The Spectre isnt at full power... he could lose here
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#23  Edited By the creator
SeSAW said:
"

If the Spectre is fully powered he wins easy. If not any other version of the Spectre loses badly

"
  1. A lower powered Spectre goes intangible, opens a dimensional gateway and drops it over the Destroyer, transporting him elsewhere. As the Destroyer cannot traverse dimensions he is trapped.
  2. The Spectre ejects the spirit of the person 'driving' the Destroyer or occupies the armour himself.
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#24  Edited By Rei-Kai

Well if the person 'driving' it can traverse dimensions, then so can the Destroyer. Really this all depends on how much of a dick the Presence feels like being.

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#25  Edited By castleking

well he can be a pretty big dick when he  wants to, and generally that tends to be his attitude normally..  :)

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#26  Edited By castleking

the gods would have a better chance and quiet possibly a one sided battle, if they didn't use the destroyer and attacked individually..

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#27  Edited By the creator
Rei-Kai said:
"Well if the person 'driving' it can traverse dimensions, then so can the Destroyer. Really this all depends on how much of a dick the Presence feels like being."
They can only if the power to traverse dimensions can be used while they are in an astral form as their physical body would remain elsewhere.
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#28  Edited By Fantasma Ghost

The Spectre for the win. Huge difference in power levels, no need for explanations, the Creator already took care of that.

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#29  Edited By chunjacktao

A fully-powered Spectre would annhilate the Destroyer armour

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Non jobbing-spectre wins 
jobbing-possibly odin

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#31  Edited By beatboks1
@Alpha said:

" the creator said:

"

Although Odin made the Destroyer as powerful as he could, it was not infused with all the power of the other celestial 'Skyfathers'.
Each bequeathed only a fraction of their might in to the Destroyer.
Additionally, although the Destroyer has these immense capabilities, in the battle with the Celestials these were further augmented beyond their normal level as Odin took his lifeforce and those of every other Asgardian (apart from Thor) to power the Destroyer armour. This caused the Destroyer to swell to massive size (I think it was 2000' tall).

Although the Destroyer has massive energy projection powers, huge strength and is virtually indestructible, the range of it's powers are limited in scope.
It can project a disintegration beam, or a heat beam or many other energy forms but it's powers are nowhere near as variable as a 'Skyfathers'.
So it packs a huge punch but lacks the varaibility needed to overcome foes in certain conditions.

The Spectre at his top end power level is much more powerful than the Destroyer and his powers have virtually unlimited variability. For instance he can rearrange matter, open dimensional appertures, teleport objects as well as increasing his size / strength. There is almost no end to the application of his power.

The Spectre wins.

"
So given a fraction the power of the skyfathers, the Destroyer was able to do battle with the Celestials.So if given all of their power, how would the Destroyer then fair against the Spectre? "
The Spectre is an "aspect" of the Presence (almighty etc), being his wrath (just as the Phantom Stranger is bieng his hope). As such he can draw on as much of the Presence's power as he needs to or is allowed to by the Presence (usually denied when he tries to do something against the presences will just like his predacessor Eclipso). In DCU The Presence created the lords of Order and Chaos. The interaction of these beings caused the Source to exist (and therefore creation) which in turn created the God Wave which created the DCU Gods (Zeus etc). Since they are the DCU equivilent to the Skyfathers we are talking several levels apart in power. 
 
So to simplify the Spectre should have access to the power level that created the power that created teh power that created the Skyfathers (hardly seems fair).
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#32  Edited By FinalStar86
@beatboks1: That comment was from over a year ago, I doubt that guy even post here anymore
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#33  Edited By lagoon_boy
The Destroyer wasn't even able to Defeat the Fourth Host of the Celestials IIRC, Let alone The Spectre.
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#34  Edited By Hellos
@FinalStar86 said:
" @beatboks1: That comment was from over a year ago, I doubt that guy even post here anymore "

4 weeks 1 day ago. It's a little early to say Alpha isn't comming back.
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#35  Edited By beatboks1
@FinalStar86 said:
" @beatboks1: That comment was from over a year ago, I doubt that guy even post here anymore "
I only used that quote to give some context to the power levels. My intent was to help the poster asking about Spec' and clarify.
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#36  Edited By JediXMan  Moderator

Spectre, easily.

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#37  Edited By OmegaDynasty

Spectre wins, if he doesn't become the jobbernaught in this battle. That is all up the Presence who has already been stated in this thread as a bigger dick then Superman.
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Spectre Wins

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Spectre

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No one mentioned Chaos war Herc. with that power, the destroyer gives Spectre a massive Wedgie and laughs.

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