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#1 Edited by marvelfan1992 (2288 posts) - - Show Bio

TELEPATHY ONLY

So this is Jean as she was portrayed back when she first was Marvel Girl up until the space ship crash before the Phoenix went to her. This is Betsy as she originally was, before any body and power swapping. Only showings from those periods (60s-70s for Jean) will count for the girls.

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#3 Posted by geekryan (4216 posts) - - Show Bio

I’d back up Betsy again

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#4 Edited by ElPendejo (1480 posts) - - Show Bio

Jean being trained gives her the win in my opinion . Psylocke was advanced for a beginner, but she was still needed to be trained by 90s Jean. And since Jean didn’t really have a chance to improve her telepathy between the Phoenix saga and gold team, I’d say she was about as skilled then as she was in the 90s.

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#5 Posted by Warlockmage (9037 posts) - - Show Bio

Jean should win a healthy majority

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#6 Edited by THUNDERBOLT30 (12606 posts) - - Show Bio

I’d back Betsy for a slight majority. She had more impressive showings in terms of raw power and was sufficiently skilled enough.

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#7 Posted by ShepardOakenPrime (1145 posts) - - Show Bio

Didn't Betsy get past Juggernaut's helmet or something early on?

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#8 Posted by Helloman (28525 posts) - - Show Bio

Stalemate.

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#9 Posted by THUNDERBOLT30 (12606 posts) - - Show Bio

@shepardoakenprime: yeah. With her psycho-blast (i always thought that sounded funny lol).

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#11 Posted by Koays (10932 posts) - - Show Bio

Eh...Marvel Girl Jean has been retconned into having some crazy feats even if we ignore Jeen. Plus theres actual training to consider.

I'd say Jean for a small majority.

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#12 Edited by marvelfan1992 (2288 posts) - - Show Bio

@koays: I actually meant to limit it to literally just her showings from those actual years irl so that the changes and other later work that covers Marvel girl is excluded but didn't wanna outright exclude them because not all of them have her portrayed as a psychic with super great potential. How do I state it in the OP lol. "Material written for Marvel Girl outside of the 60s-70s are to be excluded if they portray her as an omega level or potentially super powerful psychic" ? Hmm tricky...I specifically worded it as "Only showings from those periods will count for the girls" to try and ignore the newer material on her that has her as a very powerful psychic haha

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#13 Posted by Koays (10932 posts) - - Show Bio

@marvelfan1992: Easy. "Marvel Girl limited to 60s feats and anything that reinforces the fact that Psylocke gets stomped...again"

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#14 Posted by marvelfan1992 (2288 posts) - - Show Bio

@koays: was thinking of that but then people would just assume 60s version fo Jean that still includes feats/showings written later on about 60s Jean lol. But yeah I suppose that is more specific. thanks

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#15 Posted by ElPendejo (1480 posts) - - Show Bio

@koays: I mean Psylocke would lose because of a lack of training right?

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#16 Posted by PyroFN (5899 posts) - - Show Bio

I’m not sure how large Muir island is, but Betsy has scanned the entire island before. In comparison, Marvel Girl used her telepathy to try to contact Beast, who is 3,000 miles away from her. She succeeds briefly, but then loses him on Beasts end.

As far as fighting other psychics, a I can’t remember any notable ones except Sinister. A battle she lost, one that Jean won with no telepathy or minimum level telepathy. (A little unclear in Inferno) Going off of Marvel Girl, she has fought Mesmero in a stalemate.

Let’s also not forget that Marvel Girl has acted as a funnel for Xavier when he transferred the personalities of the worlds minds into one being through her into Alex to supercharge it and then Scott to direct it to fight off the Z’Nox.

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#17 Posted by Koays (10932 posts) - - Show Bio

@elpendejo: Eh....sure. But lets be honest. Using original canon, at this point they both suck. Just jean has had buffs added to her and has been fleshed out more. She also had a couple of strong showings as well....though nothing that really trump here

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#18 Posted by ElPendejo (1480 posts) - - Show Bio

@koays: I guess so. I guess the skill between them might go similar too

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#19 Posted by Koays (10932 posts) - - Show Bio

@elpendejo: My Headcanon says no. We know Xavier was training Jean and that Betsy had very little knowledge even well into the 90s. So clearly Jean should know more.

But canon wise its a bit hard to argue one over the other except where power is concerned.

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#20 Posted by ElPendejo (1480 posts) - - Show Bio

@koays: I feel like Jean at that time would’ve been close to earlly 90s Jean in terms of skill since she didn’t have a chance to really improve in skill from the Phoenix saga to the 90s due to being in the cacoon and losing telepathy.

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#21 Posted by Batvibe12 (5570 posts) - - Show Bio

It can go either way.

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#22 Posted by deactivated-5c6c427da31ab (357 posts) - - Show Bio

Psylocke

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#24 Edited by Evil-Incarnate (6988 posts) - - Show Bio

Jean has better feats and training. Psylocke can only win in a purely physical confrontation

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#25 Posted by del_torro (3522 posts) - - Show Bio

Didn't 70s Jean beat Mesmero, put the Hulk to sleep and hurt juggernaut. Can't remember much of Psylockes feats from that era

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#26 Posted by weatherwitch21 (744 posts) - - Show Bio

I still go with jean even with her limits