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#1  Edited By Britain

Fantastic Four: Mr Fantastic (Reed Richards), The Thing, Invisible Woman and Human Torch.

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Teen Titans: Nightwing, Cyborg, Starfire, Raven, Beast Boy & Kid Flash (Wally West)

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Death Battle.

10 Minutes prep both teams.

Fantastic Four vs Teen Titans which team would win and why ? comics

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Thing solo the DC universe..

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I believe the titans win mostly due to Raven's "unique" set of powers and KF's scaling to Flash.

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Hard to say, Teen Titans in a random encounter most likely, but seeing 10 minutes prep is there, Reed can grab a lot in that amount of time...

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Titans, unless Reed can make use of 10 minutes of prep.

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How does Flash not solo?

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Goes either way depending on what Reed can do in ten minutes.

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Raven and Kid Flash are enough, unless Reed can come up with something in 10 min.

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How does Flash not solo?

because kid flash can only run super sonic at that point and sue can react to that raven is there best bet here i am going with the four because of effectiveness they are more experienced and face threats the titans could never handle and ben and sue can take on anyone here and 10 minutes is plenty of time for reed to solo this raven is the only threat

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Reed with prep could solo.

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Which version of TT pre/post/52 or rebirth

Raven n flash can handle the team, Reed prep time concerns me. He may be able to counter Tt

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Come on Thing solo

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@evil-incarnate said:

How does Flash not solo?

because kid flash can only run super sonic at that point and sue can react to that raven is there best bet here i am going with the four because of effectiveness they are more experienced and face threats the titans could never handle and ben and sue can take on anyone here and 10 minutes is plenty of time for reed to solo this raven is the only threat

i didnt know the fantastic four fought something stronger than a nigh omnipotent multiversal demon, that took over an entire universe (presumably) by himself and was strong enough to fight against god himself and live. huh thats so funny

titans win due to just raven and wally imo fairly certain starfire would stomp the thing and johnny wouldnt be much trouble for her

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Raven, Wally and Cyborg can solo.

Sonics that can kill them on Vic’s end only one who can counter that is Sue

The three listed Titans can BFR

Dont think Anyone has a counter to Raven’s magic

or Wally’s speed steal and phasing

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@thevoidofdeath: do you think that sue would have anything to counter raven, or is raven's soul self like fully immune to whatever she throws?

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#18  Edited By comic_book_fan

@oraclefromhel said:
@comic_book_fan said:
@evil-incarnate said:

How does Flash not solo?

because kid flash can only run super sonic at that point and sue can react to that raven is there best bet here i am going with the four because of effectiveness they are more experienced and face threats the titans could never handle and ben and sue can take on anyone here and 10 minutes is plenty of time for reed to solo this raven is the only threat

i didnt know the fantastic four fought something stronger than a nigh omnipotent multiversal demon, that took over an entire universe (presumably) by himself and was strong enough to fight against god himself and live. huh thats so funny

titans win due to just raven and wally imo fairly certain starfire would stomp the thing and johnny wouldnt be much trouble for her

galactus hyperstorm marquis of death would all beat trigon.

star fire without her darkseid amp would get one or 2 shotted by ben sue could solo the entire team besides maybe raven and she could possibly take her it would just take all of her focus

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@comic_book_fan: ben is definitely not 2 shotting starfire, and sue isn't taking out wally or raven

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also did you really just say galactus is stronger than trigon? lmao even if he was fully fed, he'd still lose against trigon

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Assuming a random encounter then Titans. Raven isn't someone you can just "beat" with 10 minutes prep, she could literally take out Marvel Earth if she wanted to.

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Raven, Wally and current Starfire solo

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also did you really just say galactus is stronger than trigon? lmao even if he was fully fed, he'd still lose against trigon

no he wouldn't trigon is all hype galactus can do anything he can but better also kid flash might as well be quicksilver he is nothing special raven is the only threat and sue can counter her well and the thing is far stronger than starfire again unless she has her amp

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@comic_book_fan: trigon is an immortal being that has conqured multiple universes, he is nigh omnipotent and with the help of raven would be omnipotent, so no, galactus a being who can die is only universal at most isnt stronger.

the thing is not taking out starfire, she's too fast and has range, she's also fought people of his level (mammoth) and higher.

raven is an omniversal level being and is also immortal, sue cant touch her even if she was amped, raven is capable of instantanious teleportation, has time maniplation powers, can go anywhere, even to heaven, she has even kept contact with people in the speed force, as well as pull them out.

quicksilver isnt even in the same league as wally. wally will make quicksilver look like hes walking.

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@comic_book_fan: trigon is an immortal being that has conqured multiple universes, he is nigh omnipotent and with the help of raven would be omnipotent, so no, galactus a being who can die is only universal at most isnt stronger.

trigon can die too in battle if he is fighting a peer galactus has absorbed entire universes and was still absorbing he absorbed the entire mystic realm and there is only one real galactus the ones from other universes were created by eternity while the 616 galactus is older than eternity

the thing is not taking out starfire, she's too fast and has range, she's also fought people of his level (mammoth) and higher

the thing has tagged the surfer who is faster than her and his strength is wonder woman captain marvel level he is a good deal stronger than mammoth

raven is an omniversal level being and is also immortal, sue cant touch her even if she was amped, raven is capable of instantanious teleportation, has time maniplation powers, can go anywhere, even to heaven, she has even kept contact with people in the speed force, as well as pull them out.

quicksilver isnt even in the same league as wally. wally will make quicksilver look like hes walking.

not kid flash he is comparable to quicksilver

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@comic_book_fan: please show a scan of trigon actually dying, pretty he sure he lost that battle against surfer anyways, pretty sure even cheetah outpaces quicksilver

this is defo a stomp in favour of the teen titans

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#27  Edited By OracleFromHel  Online

@comic_book_fan: also please show scans of him consuming entire universes (galactus i mean)

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#28  Edited By comic_book_fan

@comic_book_fan: please show a scan of trigon actually dying, pretty he sure he lost that battle against surfer anyways, pretty sure even cheetah outpaces quicksilver

this is defo a stomp in favour of the teen titans

cheetah is faster than kid flash

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@comic_book_fan: Trigon is not all hype , and actually is considered a major threat.

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@thevoidofdeath: most of his best feats were done off panel he is alot like dormmamu mostly speculation what he will do when he is free while galactus has actually done way more and has just as much implied power if not more

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#34  Edited By Scarlet_Wiccan

The Titans only win due to Raven + Kid Flash combo and their numbers, without Raven and KF the Titans loose.

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#37  Edited By kasya_carey

Raven is the only threat

Everyone else is trapped in a force field

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#39  Edited By kasya_carey

@oraclefromhel:lmao at Raven being Omniversal. She's only mutliversal at max and that's only her being in a nexus.herself. As stated by herself on panel. She's not gonna be at that nexus in this battle.

OT: Current Starfire isn't soloing anything. Sue tanked an attack that would split Earth also Thing to.

Current Starfire best on panel feat was cracking two very small planets possibly a planet and a moon smaller than Earth

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Raven is the only threat. But her physicals even in her most powerful form is on par with Donna Troy. So if Thing or Sue get a hit in directly on her. They could win.

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@kasya_carey: raven still solos, she can't die, her teleports are instantaneous, they have nothing that can touch never mind even hurt her soul self, she has precog, she is even able to blitz.

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#41  Edited By kasya_carey

@oraclefromhel: umm ALL teleportation is instantaneous speed lol. Even nightcrawler because you can't gauge the speed of teleportion which is why people only use the users reactions for speed.

Umm her soul self has been broken before by Black Adam. I would say Current Thing scales above him.

Not to mention she literally said her physicals in her MOST POWERFUL form is on par with classic Donna Troy. Calm on now.

Not to mention current Raven is massively weaker than her PC version. The version wasn't stated so we go by the current.

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@kasya_carey: void already called you out on the black adam feat, i'll just put what she said here

@thevoidofdeath said "2007)Post Crisis WW3 Black Adam? Someone is forgetting the context as he wasn't at a base power level, was empowered by high tier magic, and ripped through an entire legion of superheroes. In a consequence of this, Martian Manhunter needed aid to take down finally being able to tp him in the end. so he was buffed here nice try which means no the thing can't just break her soul self

2007 Keith Champange's run Post Crisis Raven What's happening in those scans is Raven's feeling in' on what Terra and Frankenstein Jr. is feeling, emotional feedback of their pain, it has nothing to do with Adam. He killed Terra Raven's friend, injured Zatara, and ripped through her entire Team. With this said, after the fact, Raven went to use her soul-self to soothe adam, but it did not work. (She was not trying to kill him_ In post-crisis, the only things been shown to be able to damage it when Raven is at her normal senses have been higher-tier magics like those empowering Black Adam. Adam was not at a base power level and ripped through an entire Legion of Superheros. no one in fantastic four are magic least not that i know of

However, the tables turn because were using the Wolfmans Pre Crisis incarnation of Raven as well. (1985-1999) Which her soul-self has beat down opponents above Adams's pay grade( Darkseid , Orion , Rhea, Darkstars, etc), and withstood attacks. (Zauriels Sword, Hyperion magic attack during her first 20 issues)"

they have nothing nothing that can destroy her soul self. please tell me how they can deal with her phasing or how can they deal with her magic. even weak rebirth still has powerful attacks and abilities

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@kasya_carey: void already called you out on the black adam feat, i'll just put what she said here

@thevoidofdeath said "2007)Post Crisis WW3 Black Adam? Someone is forgetting the context as he wasn't at a base power level, was empowered by high tier magic, and ripped through an entire legion of superheroes. In a consequence of this, Martian Manhunter needed aid to take down finally being able to tp him in the end. so he was buffed here nice try which means no the thing can't just break her soul self

2007 Keith Champange's run Post Crisis Raven What's happening in those scans is Raven's feeling in' on what Terra and Frankenstein Jr. is feeling, emotional feedback of their pain, it has nothing to do with Adam. He killed Terra Raven's friend, injured Zatara, and ripped through her entire Team. With this said, after the fact, Raven went to use her soul-self to soothe adam, but it did not work. (She was not trying to kill him_ In post-crisis, the only things been shown to be able to damage it when Raven is at her normal senses have been higher-tier magics like those empowering Black Adam. Adam was not at a base power level and ripped through an entire Legion of Superheros. no one in fantastic four are magic least not that i know of

However, the tables turn because were using the Wolfmans Pre Crisis incarnation of Raven as well. (1985-1999) Which her soul-self has beat down opponents above Adams's pay grade( Darkseid , Orion , Rhea, Darkstars, etc), and withstood attacks. (Zauriels Sword, Hyperion magic attack during her first 20 issues)"

they have nothing nothing that can destroy her soul self. please tell me how they can deal with her phasing or how can they deal with her magic. even weak rebirth still has powerful attacks and abilities

Called me out? lmao if you say so I see you had to search something up to try and back your case.

Please even power girl was helping restrain Black Adam

All he is was a team buster for some mid to some high tier characters. You act like he was amped to being Solar System level or something.

So once again Raven soul self isn't full NLF like you're claiming it got cracked.

Raven literally operates around mid to high tier of power Consistently

MMH telepathy has nothing to do with physicals so? What was you going with that

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@kasya_carey: you fail to acknowledge that was a weakened base raven, vs a magic amped adam that murdered multiple heroes and injured multiple other ones, and was fighting the jsa ttWonder Woman, Martian Manhunter, Powergirl, Jay Garrick, 2 top-tier Green Lanterns, and many more. and even shazam came and then he lost. the fantastic four have no where near his power levels, nor do they have any magic. please stop reaching you're making a fool of yourself.
i looked to see the context in which he broke her soul self, found out that feat is not legitimate as he was amped by magic and she was severely weakened.

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@kasya_carey: you fail to acknowledge that was a weakened base raven, vs a magic amped adam that murdered multiple heroes and injured multiple other ones, and was fighting the jsa ttWonder Woman, Martian Manhunter, Powergirl, Jay Garrick, 2 top-tier Green Lanterns, and many more. and even shazam came and then he lost. the fantastic four have no where near his power levels, nor do they have any magic. please stop reaching you're making a fool of yourself.

i looked to see the context in which he broke her soul self, found out that feat is not legitimate as he was amped by magic and she was severely weakened.

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Black Adam was literally getting his ass kicked by a much of low to high tier characters 💀💀

literally everyone you named and shown above are low to high tier characters.

Not only that where was Raven weak at? Her soul self didn’t work and got destroyed. Which mean physical means can work.

but anywwyd rebirth raven doesn’t have a feat to say she’ll tank a hit from Current Thing

Let’s use scans instead of NLF

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he seems to be doing pretty fine

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@oraclefromhel: didn’t say he was defeated I said you was getting his ass kicked. Which is true is shown on panel of him getting harmed by low to high tier of characters

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here she is watching as her friends and teammates get injured and even flat out killed, all while being able to feel everyone'spain, he didnt break her soul self with just brute physical strength, he was also massively amped by magic. please show one scan of someone else breaking her soul self (without pis) using just brute physical strength.

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this was what he was fighting, and they only beat him when shazam showed up