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#1 Edited by Sy8000 (35064 posts) - - Show Bio

Martian Manhunter

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Thor and Loki

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Rules:

  • Morals on.
  • Worthy Thor.
  • Pre-New 52 J'onn.
  • Loki doesn't have the Norn stones.
  • No BFR.
  • They start 50 feet apart.
  • Fight takes place here:
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#2 Posted by DarkRaiden (15466 posts) - - Show Bio

Either of Team 2 solos with ease.

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#3 Posted by hatemalingsia (15494 posts) - - Show Bio

Loki's telepathic resistance?

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#4 Posted by Mortal (3029 posts) - - Show Bio

Team.

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#5 Edited by ComicsrulebutDBZdoes2 (7566 posts) - - Show Bio

Loki turns him into snow

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#6 Posted by micah007123 (10836 posts) - - Show Bio

Team unless Loki can be TP'ed

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#7 Posted by jashro44 (51971 posts) - - Show Bio

Martian manhunter. I think the team has the versatility to match him which is interesting but speed is an issue as always. If speed were equalized I might give it to the team all though even than I don't know.

Loki turns him into snow

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Bor did not have his magical defences up for some reason hence why Loki was able to do this. Martian manhunter can manipulate his form on a molecular level so it is very questionable how effective this tactic is.

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#8 Posted by ComicsrulebutDBZdoes2 (7566 posts) - - Show Bio
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#9 Posted by jashro44 (51971 posts) - - Show Bio
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#10 Edited by ComicsrulebutDBZdoes2 (7566 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44: wasn't really serious however i still think team can win, loki is a tricky fella to beat

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#11 Posted by uugieboogie (13023 posts) - - Show Bio

Team.. With Loki actually being MVP

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#12 Posted by jashro44 (51971 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44: wasn't really serious however i still think team can win, loki is a tricky fella to beat

I don't see how. J'ohn matches/counters Lokis versatility to my knowledge but he outclasses Loki physically.

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#13 Posted by reaverlation (25830 posts) - - Show Bio

J'onn stomps.Thor becomes J'onn's ally with little effort through TP and Loki gets stomped

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#14 Posted by ComicsrulebutDBZdoes2 (7566 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44: Thor #445- can post the scan later not at home atm, he dosent win but i still feel its a very good feat considering Odins power level

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#15 Edited by micah007123 (10836 posts) - - Show Bio

@comicsrulebutdbzdoes2 said:

@hatemalingsia: @micah: hasn 't been beaten really IIRC even has had a TP battle with odin

In that case it shouldn't be too far of a stretch to say he should be able to protect Thor from TP assaults.

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#16 Edited by Speedster101 (2984 posts) - - Show Bio

MMH can drop/ Control Thor and whether loki has TP res. or not (I'm not sure) MMH is more powerful physically and can Phase through them and kill very quickly.

EDIT: Morals off Jo'nn won't phase to kill but he'll still win through Tping Thor

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#17 Posted by jashro44 (51971 posts) - - Show Bio
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#18 Posted by uugieboogie (13023 posts) - - Show Bio

Loki's getting underestimated here...

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#19 Posted by jashro44 (51971 posts) - - Show Bio

Loki's getting underestimated here...

How? What he's got that J'ohn can't handle?

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#20 Edited by ComicsrulebutDBZdoes2 (7566 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44: llusions and body doubles while the actual loki could phase attacks or go invisble while he thinks of a strategy, Thor will not go down easy aswell and he has also a wide variety of techniques,

Just wondering as its both pre and new wouldnt that mean he has his mental weakness to fire? Because he summons alot of creatures to fight his battles including dragons and uses fire alot which has been shown to damage ironman and incinerate frost giants

Lastly he has spells which will both increase thors effectiveness and hinder MMH, he can increase thors strength and even sap MMH for his

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and the scan here

it ends by saying loki appears to be holding his own then odin unleashes a energy bolt

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#21 Posted by SodamYat (7907 posts) - - Show Bio

as powerful a telepath as MMH is, I dont see how he doesnt win this.

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#22 Edited by jashro44 (51971 posts) - - Show Bio

@comicsrulebutdbzdoes2 said:

@jashro44: llusions and body doubles while the actual loki could phase attacks or go invisble while he thinks of a strategy, Thor will not go down easy aswell and he has also a wide variety of techniques,

Illusions that can fool someone like martian manhunter? J'ohn has 9 different senses and he is a top tier telepath. Invisibility isn't working here and thats something J'ohn can do. J'ohn has phased kill as well in the past.

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Just wondering as its both pre and new wouldnt that mean he has his mental weakness to fire? Because he summons alot of creatures to fight his battles including dragons and uses fire alot which has been shown to damage ironman and incinerate frost giants

Lastly he has spells which will both increase thors effectiveness and hinder MMH, he can increase thors strength and even sap MMH for his

I don't know about New 52 but pre new 52 had overcome his weakness to fire IIRC:

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It takes a lot of fire to hurt pre new 52 martian manhunter I believe. And what feats do these dragons have? Why can't J'ohn one shot them with his bare hands before they can react for blast them with martian vision? As for your last point martian manhunter can increase his strength IIRC using his shape-shifting. And how far can Loki boost thor and how weak can he make martian manhunter?

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#23 Posted by uugieboogie (13023 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44 said:

@uugieboogie said:

Loki's getting underestimated here...

How? What he's got that J'ohn can't handle?

What can J'onn do to his astral form?

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#24 Edited by jashro44 (51971 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44 said:

@uugieboogie said:

Loki's getting underestimated here...

How? What he's got that J'ohn can't handle?

What can J'onn do to his astral form?

Why wouldn't TP work? Can Loki defend against a telepath of the Martians level?

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#25 Edited by ComicsrulebutDBZdoes2 (7566 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44: i would say there about two steps above fodder tbh, could hurt thor to some degeree and couldd withstand some hits from thor

His enhancements have boosted Skagg to levels which made him a physical match forodin and was working until Odin let loose again no shame when its agaisnt a powerful skyfather

Also boosts thors however dosent give any amounts how much by.

With regards to curses and debuffs he depowered the whole of wrecking crew and gained their strength for himself, weakens nobilus enough for thor to beat him 1v1, and his greatest feat which may not be canon as of yet but i am unsure because its in the future he saps mangog in order to boost himself to fight RKT

Lastly he can heal both himself and thor if they ever get wounded badly and he has done so in seconds mid combat

Plus i highly doubt MMH can sense which illusiin and body double is real and where he is while invisible seeing as they have tricked odin,wolverine, mephisto couldnt find an invisible loki in his own realm and tricked jean grey which shows that TP can detect either

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#26 Edited by jashro44 (51971 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44: i would say there about two steps above fodder tbh, could hurt thor to some degeree and couldd withstand some hits from thor

His enhancements have boosted Skagg to levels which made him a physical match forodin and was working until Odin let loose again no shame when its agaisnt a powerful skyfather

Also boosts thors however dosent give any amounts how much by.

With regards to curses and debuffs he depowered the whole of wrecking crew and gained their strength for himself, weakens nobilus enough for thor to beat him 1v1, and his greatest feat which may not be canon as of yet but i am unsure because its in the future he saps mangog in order to boost himself to fight RKT

Lastly he can heal both himself and thor if they ever get wounded badly and he has done so in seconds mid combat

  • Alright. The problem with this is martian manhunter is way faster and even if he can't physically one shot these dragons he can TP them effortlessly. Loki cannot protect everyone from martian manhunters TP. Not to mention J'ohn can phase through fire IIRC.
  • I am not familiar with Skagg but it sounds like odin was holding back?
  • Eh, thors problem with martian manhunter is speed and the fact J'ohn is more versatile as well. Even with his powers boosted the problem is the same.
  • J'ohn has one of the most ridiculous healing factors in comics. It makes wolverines look like a joke.
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The last scan on the left was done in a volcano as well. I think J'ohn has them beat when it comes to healing.

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#27 Posted by TheNewBlueBeetle007 (4758 posts) - - Show Bio

Loki solos.

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#28 Edited by ComicsrulebutDBZdoes2 (7566 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44: hmm i concur MMH might take this but hes gonna have to work for it, the best shot of winning is molecular transmution however like you said MM has control over his body and can shapeshift so until loki does it someone like Apoc for example we can't tell if it will work. But yeah i didn't know he had that good of a healing factor thats impressive

I wouldnt really say odin was holding back he just kinda tried alot harder suppose that kinda means he was holding back but i feel it was the same way as thor holds back vs the hulk for example once he knows he has to up the power he can and odin wouldnt really have a reason to hold back vs a storm giant

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#29 Posted by Sy8000 (35064 posts) - - Show Bio

bump

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#30 Posted by i_like_swords (26191 posts) - - Show Bio

Lol lot's of people are saying Thor and Loki yet despite Jash being in the minority, he is the only one providing a real argument in this thread.

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#31 Posted by Iragexcudder (9464 posts) - - Show Bio

I've always thought Jonn would be able to take Thor. Given the major speed advantage in Jonns department I see no way how the team would disband Jonn, unless Loki has some disingenuous plot.

Jonn should win from overwhelming speed and telepathic advantages, phasing and regeneration. Not to mention that orgasm of Martian Vision that disintegrates opponents.

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#33 Posted by Dre_Savage (5504 posts) - - Show Bio

I think MMH either gets overwhelmed, or realizes he's dealing with two credible threats and does what he has to to defeat them.

I think J'onzz has the potential to, but not with morals on.

Loki, just like Doom, is always a wild card with random feats, but MMH want to, he kills Loki.

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#34 Posted by Helicoprion (3557 posts) - - Show Bio

team i think

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#35 Edited by KingOfKings1 (2092 posts) - - Show Bio

John

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#36 Posted by dami24434 (4307 posts) - - Show Bio

Current Loki curb stomps martian man hunter with no effort whatsoever.

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#37 Posted by TheKinfing (11692 posts) - - Show Bio
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#38 Posted by HighAccuser (9696 posts) - - Show Bio

Backing the team in a hard fight

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#39 Posted by TurtleXNinja (331 posts) - - Show Bio

MMH

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#40 Posted by GIliad_ (6637 posts) - - Show Bio

J'onn

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#41 Posted by MysticMedivh (32250 posts) - - Show Bio

J'onn stomps.Thor becomes J'onn's ally with little effort through TP and Loki gets stomped

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#42 Posted by Clutchsob_ (38 posts) - - Show Bio
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#43 Edited by deactivated-5a7a162f64fe5 (776 posts) - - Show Bio

For now I'll say Martian Manhunter.

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#44 Posted by dami24434 (4307 posts) - - Show Bio

loki still solos, jonn is overrated here, loki is far more powerful than he is.

and haxed, killing armies with his voice, turning people mad, turning people inti negatives, into blanks, turning people inside out, warping stories, time travel hax...

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#45 Posted by ProteusXManRxis (4444 posts) - - Show Bio

Team.

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#46 Posted by Mercwiththemouth (21 posts) - - Show Bio

J'onn forces Thor to battle Loki. And then offs him too.

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#47 Posted by deactivated-5c8fd6cb3e4f4 (18365 posts) - - Show Bio

Loki solostomps

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#48 Posted by Revan- (7959 posts) - - Show Bio
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#49 Posted by deactivated-5c8fd6cb3e4f4 (18365 posts) - - Show Bio

@revan-: is that why you dropped out of that CAV?

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#50 Posted by TheWatcherKing (18237 posts) - - Show Bio

This would make for an interesting CaV,one worth finishing...