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Posted by EyeDCyou (7512 posts) 4 years, 6 months ago

Poll: Martian Manhunter vs. OF Thor (118 votes)

Martian Manhunter 31%
OF Thor 65%

This sparked some debate over on a Justice League v. Avengers thread, so I decided to bring it out as it's own question.

Rules

  • No BFR
  • Pre-52 MMH
  • Win by any means (other than BFR)
  • Fight takes place in New York City

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#1 Posted by Leo-343 (30909 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor stomps

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#2 Posted by dorukesin (7421 posts) - - Show Bio

J'onn

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#3 Posted by TheMagicStik (2552 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't see how OF changes anything. MMH blitzes,TP, intangibility, unlimited regeneration, etc.

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#4 Posted by Appzashok (1437 posts) - - Show Bio

Asgardian with OF...

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#5 Posted by Jmarshmallow (13840 posts) - - Show Bio

Regardless of the version of Thor, MMH's TP is enough to handle him.

Jmarshmallow

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#6 Posted by EyeDCyou (7512 posts) - - Show Bio

Regardless of the version of Thor, MMH's TP is enough to handle him.

Jmarshmallow

That's basically how I felt.

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#7 Posted by Kingant27 (16899 posts) - - Show Bio

OF Thor stomps, time manipulation; and stomps him from there.

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#8 Posted by Experio (18215 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor

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#9 Posted by Loki9876 (3366 posts) - - Show Bio

Sorry but OF?

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#10 Posted by uugieboogie (13023 posts) - - Show Bio

@eyedcyou said:

@jmarshmallow said:

Regardless of the version of Thor, MMH's TP is enough to handle him.

Jmarshmallow

That's basically how I felt.

Doubt TP would work. Thor resisted Emma Frost with phoenix force & resisted Rachel Grey, as well as Glory & The Corrupter the second time

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#11 Edited by uugieboogie (13023 posts) - - Show Bio
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#12 Posted by EyeDCyou (7512 posts) - - Show Bio

@eyedcyou said:

@jmarshmallow said:

Regardless of the version of Thor, MMH's TP is enough to handle him.

Jmarshmallow

That's basically how I felt.

Doubt TP would work. Thor resisted Emma Frost with phoenix force & resisted Rachel Grey, as well as Glory & The Corrupter the second time

Its debateable I suppose. Obviously different characters have different levels of TP.

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#13 Posted by Van_Cere (3068 posts) - - Show Bio
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#14 Posted by uugieboogie (13023 posts) - - Show Bio

@eyedcyou said:

@uugieboogie said:

@eyedcyou said:

@jmarshmallow said:

Regardless of the version of Thor, MMH's TP is enough to handle him.

Jmarshmallow

That's basically how I felt.

Doubt TP would work. Thor resisted Emma Frost with phoenix force & resisted Rachel Grey, as well as Glory & The Corrupter the second time

Its debateable I suppose. Obviously different characters have different levels of TP.

True, but I don't think MMH is on par with someone who has a portion of the PF though

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#15 Posted by uugieboogie (13023 posts) - - Show Bio

@van_cere said:

He never showed time manipulation @kingant27:

Think he may be referring to King Thor that took over earth. After he came to his senses he wet back in time & changed. Regular Thor had Time Manipulation too wayyyy back when

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#16 Posted by roronuffy (1634 posts) - - Show Bio

I feel like Thor should win based on him being a god that could create enchanted things that would give him a lot of MMH's abilities or at least protection against him.

That being said I think without prep MMH could take him

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#17 Posted by Thedailybagel (12736 posts) - - Show Bio

How is this vote close?

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#18 Posted by Jmarshmallow (13840 posts) - - Show Bio

@uugieboogie: Id say that MMH has better feats than Emma Frost with Phoenix Force does.

Jmarshmallow

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#20 Posted by uugieboogie (13023 posts) - - Show Bio

@uugieboogie: Id say that MMH has better feats than Emma Frost with Phoenix Force does.

Jmarshmallow

Eh, its debatable.

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#21 Posted by uugieboogie (13023 posts) - - Show Bio

How is this vote close?

They either think his TP will work or they think he'll speed blitz him.

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#22 Edited by ForneverStar (35 posts) - - Show Bio

Martian manhunter would win

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#23 Posted by Thedailybagel (12736 posts) - - Show Bio

@uugieboogie: it's not even that. I assume it's just people assuming dc powerhouse superiority over marvel powerhouses. Whilst I agree that's normally true thor has the odin force here, you make a thread that pits odin against MM and people would be screaming spite.

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#24 Posted by uugieboogie (13023 posts) - - Show Bio

@uugieboogie: it's not even that. I assume it's just people assuming dc powerhouse superiority over marvel powerhouses. Whilst I agree that's normally true thor has the odin force here, you make a thread that pits odin against MM and people would be screaming spite.

The thing just saying "OF Thor" or "Thor /OF" is hard to have in a fight. It could mean just Thor wielding the OF or Thor in full control of the OF which would basically be like King Thor.

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#25 Posted by Thedailybagel (12736 posts) - - Show Bio
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#26 Posted by Jmarshmallow (13840 posts) - - Show Bio

@uugieboogie: How is it debatable?

What's Emma Frosts best TP feat with the Phoenix Force?

Jmarshmallow

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#27 Posted by EyeDCyou (7512 posts) - - Show Bio

@thedailybagel said:

@uugieboogie: it's not even that. I assume it's just people assuming dc powerhouse superiority over marvel powerhouses. Whilst I agree that's normally true thor has the odin force here, you make a thread that pits odin against MM and people would be screaming spite.

The thing just saying "OF Thor" or "Thor /OF" is hard to have in a fight. It could mean just Thor wielding the OF or Thor in full control of the OF which would basically be like King Thor.

Yeah, this is NOT King Thor. He is only wielding the force.

This isn't a DC v. Marvel issue, read the OP and see where it is derived from.

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#28 Posted by uugieboogie (13023 posts) - - Show Bio

@uugieboogie: they're pretty much the same thing.

Not really I think Thor with the OF best feat was beating Bor probably

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#29 Edited by TheMagicStik (2552 posts) - - Show Bio

@thedailybagel: Odin has a lot of classic feats with the Odin Force that make him at least a Galaxy buster, King Thor doesn't have anything close besides maybe statements and he will never have feats close to Odin because in modern times the OF/TF isn't that powerful. Regular Thor with the Odin Force is like a baby wielding the OF, it also doesn't make him less slow or more durable just more powerful.

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#30 Posted by uugieboogie (13023 posts) - - Show Bio

@eyedcyou said:

@uugieboogie said:

@thedailybagel said:

@uugieboogie: it's not even that. I assume it's just people assuming dc powerhouse superiority over marvel powerhouses. Whilst I agree that's normally true thor has the odin force here, you make a thread that pits odin against MM and people would be screaming spite.

The thing just saying "OF Thor" or "Thor /OF" is hard to have in a fight. It could mean just Thor wielding the OF or Thor in full control of the OF which would basically be like King Thor.

Yeah, this is NOT King Thor. He is only wielding the force.

This isn't a DC v. Marvel issue, read the OP and see where it is derived from.

I know where it came from, lol i was on that thread. I think OF Thor best feat was killing Bor probably

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#31 Posted by EyeDCyou (7512 posts) - - Show Bio

@eyedcyou said:

@uugieboogie said:

@thedailybagel said:

@uugieboogie: it's not even that. I assume it's just people assuming dc powerhouse superiority over marvel powerhouses. Whilst I agree that's normally true thor has the odin force here, you make a thread that pits odin against MM and people would be screaming spite.

The thing just saying "OF Thor" or "Thor /OF" is hard to have in a fight. It could mean just Thor wielding the OF or Thor in full control of the OF which would basically be like King Thor.

Yeah, this is NOT King Thor. He is only wielding the force.

This isn't a DC v. Marvel issue, read the OP and see where it is derived from.

I know where it came from, lol i was on that thread. I think OF Thor best feat was killing Bor probably

The second part of that comment was meant for @thedailybagel lol

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#32 Posted by gav (1094 posts) - - Show Bio

OF Thor stomps

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#33 Posted by Saren (27933 posts) - - Show Bio

@eyedcyou said:

@jmarshmallow said:

Regardless of the version of Thor, MMH's TP is enough to handle him.

Jmarshmallow

That's basically how I felt.

Doubt TP would work. Thor resisted Emma Frost with phoenix force & resisted Rachel Grey, as well as Glory & The Corrupter the second time

Street levelers like Madcap have effortlessly beaten Thor with telepathy more recently. There's no reason TP wouldn't work outside of bizarre nonsense like the minds of gods being immune to telepathy even though it's happened to Thor at least a dozen times, and many times more to other gods. Moondragon isn't even as powerful as regular Emma, forget Phoenix Emma, and she turned Thor into her sex slave with telepathy, and that's not including the time her powers were nerfed and she still solo'd Thor and the entire Avengers lineup with one telepathic attack.

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#34 Posted by uugieboogie (13023 posts) - - Show Bio

@thedailybagel: Odin has a lot of classic feats with the Odin Force that make him at least a Galaxy buster, King Thor doesn't have anything close besides maybe statements and he will never have feats close to Odin because in modern times the OF/TF isn't that powerful. Regular Thor with the Odin Force is like a baby wielding the OF, it also doesn't make him less slow or more durable just more powerful.

Which King Thor are you referring to? & what makes you think the OF/TF isn't as powerful anymore? & he vould be a baby wielding it but he was able to kill Bor. & it does make him more durable technically. In his fight with Bor, after Bor attacked him Thor stated if it wasn't for the OF he would've been dead

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#35 Edited by TheMagicStik (2552 posts) - - Show Bio

@uugieboogie: Odin has had fights that were casually destroying Galaxies and shaking the entire Multiverse. King Thor with 2 extra Thors lost to Gorr and none of them displayed power much above planetary let alone solar system or Galaxy.

If King Thor was classic Odin level you could throw in 1000 Thors and it wouldn't have been a deciding factor when he obliterated Gorr.

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#36 Posted by uugieboogie (13023 posts) - - Show Bio

@saren said:

@uugieboogie said:

@eyedcyou said:

@jmarshmallow said:

Regardless of the version of Thor, MMH's TP is enough to handle him.

Jmarshmallow

That's basically how I felt.

Doubt TP would work. Thor resisted Emma Frost with phoenix force & resisted Rachel Grey, as well as Glory & The Corrupter the second time

Street levelers like Madcap have effortlessly beaten Thor with telepathy more recently. There's no reason TP wouldn't work outside of bizarre nonsense like the minds of gods being immune to telepathy even though it's happened to Thor at least a dozen times, and many times more to other gods. Moondragon isn't even as powerful as regular Emma, forget Phoenix Emma, and she turned Thor into her sex slave with telepathy, and that's not including the time her powers were nerfed and she still solo'd Thor and the entire Avengers lineup with one telepathic attack.

It varies, he resisted Rachel Grey & The Corruptor too. Glory had trouble getting into his mind. I never said it wouldn't work because he was god though.

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#37 Posted by Jmarshmallow (13840 posts) - - Show Bio

@uugieboogie: MMH is a powerful enough telepath to suggest that, even if Thor has high and low showings of TP resistance, MMH can definitely mindrape him.

Jmarshmallow

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#38 Posted by XiiX (13583 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't see how OF changes anything. MMH blitzes,TP, intangibility, unlimited regeneration, etc.

Regardless of the version of Thor, MMH's TP is enough to handle him.

Jmarshmallow

@saren said:

Street levelers like Madcap have effortlessly beaten Thor with telepathy more recently. There's no reason TP wouldn't work outside of bizarre nonsense like the minds of gods being immune to telepathy even though it's happened to Thor at least a dozen times, and many times more to other gods. Moondragon isn't even as powerful as regular Emma, forget Phoenix Emma, and she turned Thor into her sex slave with telepathy, and that's not including the time her powers were nerfed and she still solo'd Thor and the entire Avengers lineup with one telepathic attack.

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#39 Posted by uugieboogie (13023 posts) - - Show Bio

@uugieboogie: Odin has had fights that were casually destroying Galaxies and shaking the entire Multiverse. King Thor with 2 extra Thors lost to Gorr and none of them displayed power much above planetary let alone solar system or Galaxy.

If King Thor was classic Odin level you could throw in 1000 Thors and it wouldn't have been a deciding factor when he obliterated Gorr.

  • The fight with Gorr was different, the weapon he had was made specifically to kill Gods.
  • OKT hasn't had enough showings. He did a lot better against Galactus than Odin did. Odin KO'd himself & went into the Odin sleep. Thor fought a lot longer before getting KO'd & having to get the necrosword
  • The King Thor I think dailybagal was referring to is the non canon one that killed The Thing & Hulk at the sametime while having his connection to the OF temporarily cut by Dr Strange. The same King Thor that took over earth.
  • The part of your post doesn't make sense
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#40 Edited by Saren (27933 posts) - - Show Bio

@saren said:

@uugieboogie said:

@eyedcyou said:

@jmarshmallow said:

Regardless of the version of Thor, MMH's TP is enough to handle him.

Jmarshmallow

That's basically how I felt.

Doubt TP would work. Thor resisted Emma Frost with phoenix force & resisted Rachel Grey, as well as Glory & The Corrupter the second time

Street levelers like Madcap have effortlessly beaten Thor with telepathy more recently. There's no reason TP wouldn't work outside of bizarre nonsense like the minds of gods being immune to telepathy even though it's happened to Thor at least a dozen times, and many times more to other gods. Moondragon isn't even as powerful as regular Emma, forget Phoenix Emma, and she turned Thor into her sex slave with telepathy, and that's not including the time her powers were nerfed and she still solo'd Thor and the entire Avengers lineup with one telepathic attack.

It varies, he resisted Rachel Grey & The Corruptor too. Glory had trouble getting into his mind. I never said it wouldn't work because he was god though.

Well if you offered Emma and Rachel as examples, then it was tantamount to saying so, because that was the explanation given for Thor's resistance both times.

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I'm not sure why the Corruptor is even being offered as an example; he's a nobody who has no business fighting Thor in the first place, unless we're talking about a different Corruptor. I don't remember how the Glory fight went down, so I'll just give Thor that because I'm too lazy to look it up.

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#41 Edited by TheMagicStik (2552 posts) - - Show Bio

@uugieboogie:

The Necrosword was made to kill God's but it didn't nerf the Power of the gods. If he snuck up behind OKT and chopped his head off or something like that it would have made sense.

Everybody did better against Galactus, the one Thor girl with Stormbreaker practically blew Galactus's head off with next to 0 exp with Stormbreaker.

What I was trying to say with my last post is that if OKT was Odin level then he would have obliterated Gorr with a single blast along with half the galaxy and 1000 alternate Thors would not have mattered in the fight (like 2 did in the series).

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#42 Edited by uugieboogie (13023 posts) - - Show Bio

@saren said:

@uugieboogie said:

@saren said:

@uugieboogie said:

@eyedcyou said:

@jmarshmallow said:

Regardless of the version of Thor, MMH's TP is enough to handle him.

Jmarshmallow

That's basically how I felt.

Doubt TP would work. Thor resisted Emma Frost with phoenix force & resisted Rachel Grey, as well as Glory & The Corrupter the second time

Street levelers like Madcap have effortlessly beaten Thor with telepathy more recently. There's no reason TP wouldn't work outside of bizarre nonsense like the minds of gods being immune to telepathy even though it's happened to Thor at least a dozen times, and many times more to other gods. Moondragon isn't even as powerful as regular Emma, forget Phoenix Emma, and she turned Thor into her sex slave with telepathy, and that's not including the time her powers were nerfed and she still solo'd Thor and the entire Avengers lineup with one telepathic attack.

It varies, he resisted Rachel Grey & The Corruptor too. Glory had trouble getting into his mind. I never said it wouldn't work because he was god though.

Well if you offered Emma and Rachel as examples, then it was tantamount to saying so, because that was the explanation given for Thor's resistance both times.

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I'm not sure why the Corruptor is even being offered as an example; he's a nobody who has no business fighting Thor in the first place, unless we're talking about a different Corruptor. I don't remember how the Glory fight went down, so I'll just give Thor that because I'm too lazy to look it up.

Most of the times he resist TP that his excuse. When Moondragon took hold of him he was able to shake himself. Rachel couldn't get into his head but he was temporarily KO'd by an amped Cable & Prof X but than he was able to hold out against Onslaught. But then he was confused by Red Skull using Prof X mind. Most of the time he resist its stated its because he's a god. That's not why I personally think he resistant it just depends on the writer.I can't be sure but I think DS Sentry was trying to get inside his mind too.

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#43 Edited by uugieboogie (13023 posts) - - Show Bio

@uugieboogie:

The Necrosword was made to kill God's but it didn't nerf the Power of the gods. If he snuck up behind OKT and chopped his head off or something like that it would have made sense.

Everybody did better against Galactus, the one Thor girl with Stormbreaker practically blew Galactus's head off with next to 0 exp with Stormbreaker.

What I was trying to say with my last post is that if OKT was Odin level then he would have obliterated Gorr with a single blast along with half the galaxy and 1000 alternate Thors would not have mattered in the fight (like 2 did in the series).

  • It was just a massive amp to whoever used it & had an affect on Gods.
  • Gorr wasn't a regular villian & Odin never fought anyone like that. Odin didn't fight someone who had a weapon that was made to kill Gods. He didn't fight someone who had a weapon that gave the user more power with each god it killed. He was killing gods for thousands of years, you can't be sure how many gods he killed & how much power he got from killing them. You can't assume Odin would've done better when he's never fought someone like that.
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#44 Posted by ssj_god (16749 posts) - - Show Bio

time manipulation

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#45 Posted by KungFuPurp (58 posts) - - Show Bio

Martian Manhunter has enough to take out Thor . The case is always who's hands you put it in , I mean it can go either way to me .. I voted for The Martian MANHUNTER .. Telekinesis, invulnerability , Genius Level Intellect , Telepathy , Invisibility .....................

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#46 Posted by dondave (41749 posts) - - Show Bio

@uugieboogie He only shook himself off Moondragon's TP after she'd forced him to have sex with her and had him fight the Avengers. It wasn't after they continually insulted him that he broke free. DSS had no problem getting into Thor's mind, Thor was instead telling him to get out of his mind. He didn't resist Glory either, it was Donald Blake and the other woman praying that that stopped Glory.

As for P5 Emma Frost, her telepathy was terrible. She couldn't even make Red Hulk kills himself while he was still in his human form.

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#47 Edited by nova_prime76 (164 posts) - - Show Bio

Odin Force Thor curbstomps. Time and matter manipulation comes with having the Odin force. Telepathy? won't work. Many great telepaths have tried. Odin Force also grants Thor, just like Odin with vast telepathic abilities. Odin has better telepathic feats than MM. Just the overwhelming power of the Odin Force is too much for any justice league member...even the Martian.

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#48 Edited by WaveMotionCannon (7649 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor

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