Martian Manhunter VS Hal Jordan and Sinestro
-All are bloodlusted(No, that does not mean Martian Manhunter is allowed Fernus's feats).
-Win by any means.
Martian Manhunter vs Green Lantern and Sinestro
@highaccuser said:
@lord_spectrum: He didn't have pyrokinesis, he was just constantly on fire. He's different genetically but Kelly confirmed their powers are the same.
He did have pyrokinesis, the guy was literally breathing fire and more, that's by definition pyrokinesis.
He is different on genetic level ie totally different entity, and that should by default end the debate whether his feats can be used for MMH or not, but anyways yes they have almost same powers obviously, though Fernus has more powers, but having same powers doesn't mean they have it on the same MAGNITUDE ie same level power just take for example Supergirl and Superman both have literally same powers but on different magnitude same thing here, also Fernus was clearly shown as the superior version of Martian Manhunter in every way, he had strength and durability levels to wreck entire JLA, while regular consistent potrayal of Jonnz puts his durability and strength below Superman-level, as well as having weakness towards fire, though it is mostly mental, but it still does weaken him physically, while Fernus is literally opposite to that.
He could breath the fire that was constantly on him. Doesn't mean much.
Come on, man, now this is just bland denial really. He has fire aura that is true, but not in his mouth, but anyways he literally spit fire out of his mouth, that's fire breathing and still counts as pyrokinesis ability. Also you can see in his many appearances that he doesn't have fire in his mouth, thus showing that his ability to breath fire is pyrokinetic type one. Here are some scans so just you can see it. And as we can see he has no fire in his mouth, thus that's not part of his biology, thus creating fire out of his mouth is an ability, case closed.
Kelly confirmed he wasn't any more powerful.
Kelly confirmed that they have similar powers, not that they are equally powerful and as i already explained to you having same/similar powers doesn't mean they are on the same level of magnitude, and given their showings show us that Fernus is the superior, and as i already told you can just compare consistent showings of Jonnz with feats of that of the Fernus, and we can clearly see who is better and the more powerful one, it's fairly obvious though.
Black Lantern Martian Manhunter dropped multiple Lanterns with TP at once.
So under these conditions J'onn could drop Hal and Sinestro too.
Fernus never showed greater physicals. Fernus never showed greater physicals.
He one-shotted John Stewart, one of the best GLs, come on, that one should already ring bells by default. But anyways time for some sweet scans.
Beats and restrains League (minus Supes) via physical stats.
2 shots from Fernus put Superman down on his back.
From the scans its fairly obvious that Fernus was performing feats beyond Jonn's caliber in physical stats. When it comes to MMH, he is more of Wonder Woman-level (maybe somewhat above) when it comes to pure physical stats, but yet Fernus was completely dominating her as if she was nothing. And 2 strikes from his putting Superman lying on his back.
he used hax and versatility.
As well as physical stats.
John didn't have his shields up when he got slashed,
Speculation.
they weren't depicted by art and it was clear the distraction let Fernus do that.
Except, you forget key things, GLs autoshields/forcefield are always on, and second you opinion is based on artisitc depiction which changes from one artist to another, but if you read the whole issue of that Fernus isntance, you would see no visible glow from GL since the start of it, we don't always see the glow to know that their forcefields are on, those glows are strictly dependent from one artist to another. And while that little did distract him but not the way to discredit feat, since Stewart was not off guard or such, Fernus still one-shotted him, it is still legit enough. And moreso if we by your logic then John had his forcefield down through the entire EVENT of FERNUS ARC, since he didn't have green glow, see what i just did here, i am sure you get it. :D
He tied up Wonder Woman with her lasso while invisible, hardly a display of physicals.
Look at my scans above, he dominated Diana before tieing her up.
Fernus has trouble with Plastic Man even.
And? Plastic Man has restrained Martian Manhunter actually, even before all that Fernus stuff.
He could also strike hard enough to hurt Jean who possessed and amped by Eclipso, just for info, Eclipso possessed Lois Lane was giving Superman a beating, though this version of Eclipso ie Eclipso Jean could go toe to toe against Black Adam (though she still lost) and stalemate Mary Marvel for some time (she had some of BA's power at that time, and with that power she was beating Kyle Rayner and Donna Troy at the same time and the fight actually favored her by a longshot, as well as she packed enough power to hurt Darkseid and no-sell his omega beams).
The reason Plastic Man was able to match Fernus was because of his unique physiology which made him hard to damage and immune to J'onn's TP. Its specifically why Batman chose him for the JLA and has been acknowledged twice. Lot of general misinformation being spread about these characters, nothing new.
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