Martian Manhunter and Saturn Girl vs Professor X and Jean Grey

VS

• No prep
• Silver Age Imra
• No Phoenix 
• Telepathy only
  
• Round 1:: In character
• Round 2:: Morals off

Team two for me.  Why?  For one Xavier and Jean are teacher/student, they have worked together for decades, they have each others back, and she on several occasions has acted like a battery to supercharge his powers.

Team one with ease. Martian>>>> xavier or jeAn

Team one with ease. Martian>>>> xavier or jeAn

Team two with ease >>>> Martian or SaTurn 
 
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@LordOfAllHumans said:

Team two for me.  Why?  For one Xavier and Jean are teacher/student, they have worked together for decades, they have each others back, and she on several occasions has acted like a battery to supercharge his powers.

Xavier = Onslaught

Martian and Saturn Girl win with ease.

Martian and Saturn Girl win with ease.

Manhunters' telepathic feats exceeds that of Jean's and Xavier's and therefore, Manhunter solos.

Manhunters' telepathic feats exceeds that of Jean's and Xavier's and therefore, Manhunter solos.

@LordOfAllHumans said:

@PunkMastaFlex said:

Manhunters' telepathic feats exceeds that of Jean's and Xavier's and therefore, Manhunter solos.

what feats? Jean has unlimited psionic power that Xavier knows how to tap to augment his own.

Manhunter has mindraped the Spectre twice, mind controlled the entire J.L.A, controlled multiversal artifacts like the Wargolog, and so on.

DC is so unrealistic lol.

I remember hearing CitizenBane debate that Martian Manhunter is like, unstoppable when it comes to TP.

@RainEffect said:

I remember hearing CitizenBane debate that Martian Manhunter is like, unstoppable when it comes to TP.

Depends for the sake of plot. If Manhunter is needed, then he comes into the fray as the most powerful J.L.A member excluding Spectre, Phantom Stranger, and beings of the like, but when he's not needed, then he'll fall to plot liaison to how he lost to Supergirl and World War Three Black Adam.

@LordOfAllHumans said:

@PunkMastaFlex said:

Manhunters' telepathic feats exceeds that of Jean's and Xavier's and therefore, Manhunter solos.

what feats? Jean has unlimited psionic power that Xavier knows how to tap to augment his own.

Manhunter has mindraped the Spectre twice, mind controlled the entire J.L.A, controlled multiversal artifacts like the Wargolog, and so on.

@PunkMastaFlex said:

@LordOfAllHumans said:

@PunkMastaFlex said:

Manhunters' telepathic feats exceeds that of Jean's and Xavier's and therefore, Manhunter solos.

what feats? Jean has unlimited psionic power that Xavier knows how to tap to augment his own.

Manhunter has mindraped the Spectre twice, mind controlled the entire J.L.A, controlled multiversal artifacts like the Wargolog, and so on.

If by mindrape you mean bypassed his mental defenses, then Xavier did that to Galactus.  One Spectre you are talking about is Hal Jordan and all MM did was surprise him with a telepathic shout, and enter his mind (feel free to correct this and tell the other instance).  The only difference is the Spectre has a human soul involved.  He made Galactus basically live the life of billions of Skrulls, but Galactus didn't care.  Mind controlled the X-men, creating a mental reality to find out the Skrull imposter, mind wiped entire towns all the time when the Xmen first started, tapped the full power of the Mind Gem gaining access to the collective consciousness of the universe, and so on.  Comparatively seems like Xavier can do the same thing, with Jean's help he made contact with Akhenaten a wielder of the Heart of the Universe.  These are MMs high feats and are examples of how strong he is, Xavier has feats that prove he can accomplish similar feats, in most cases Xavier and Jean work together when they are together, she is more powerful than Xavier and I don't care what anybody says Saturn Girl is not on Jean or Emma level, if so show me something consistent, because these two ladies have consistent feats as powerful and skilled telepaths.

@LordOfAllHumans said:

@PunkMastaFlex said:

@LordOfAllHumans said:

@PunkMastaFlex said:

Manhunters' telepathic feats exceeds that of Jean's and Xavier's and therefore, Manhunter solos.

what feats? Jean has unlimited psionic power that Xavier knows how to tap to augment his own.

Manhunter has mindraped the Spectre twice, mind controlled the entire J.L.A, controlled multiversal artifacts like the Wargolog, and so on.

If by mindrape you mean bypassed his mental defenses, then Xavier did that to Galactus.  One Spectre you are talking about is Hal Jordan and all MM did was surprise him with a telepathic shout, and enter his mind (feel free to correct this and tell the other instance).  The only difference is the Spectre has a human soul involved.  He made Galactus basically live the life of billions of Skrulls, but Galactus didn't care.  Mind controlled the X-men, creating a mental reality to find out the Skrull imposter, mind wiped entire towns all the time when the Xmen first started, tapped the full power of the Mind Gem gaining access to the collective consciousness of the universe, and so on.  Comparatively seems like Xavier can do the same thing, with Jean's help he made contact with Akhenaten a wielder of the Heart of the Universe.  These are MMs high feats and are examples of how strong he is, Xavier has feats that prove he can accomplish similar feats, in most cases Xavier and Jean work together when they are together, she is more powerful than Xavier and I don't care what anybody says Saturn Girl is not on Jean or Emma level, if so show me something consistent, because these two ladies have consistent feats as powerful and skilled telepaths.

word. don't forget that xavier gave me a huge headache. 

Bump =)

Saturn Girl is basically pathetic -___- in this match or any other.

Xavier and Jean dominate.

i disagree about saturn girl being pathetic she is the most skilled telepath on her world. which is a world of telepaths.

@charlieboy said:

i disagree about saturn girl being pathetic she is the most skilled telepath on her world. which is a world of telepaths.

Nice statement... now let's wish that those who disagree would most likely change their minds.

@charlieboy said:

i disagree about saturn girl being pathetic she is the most skilled telepath on her world. which is a world of telepaths.

True. Comic creater or writers most likely give their characters title to which they don't even live up too.

Most skill telepath yeah, but with what amazing feat that could counter or make her stand up to what Jean or Xavier has done?

For all we know Titan is populated with telepaths who could only read minds and thats about it. While Saturn Girl "most skilled" title allow her to do more things than the average Titan telepath being said before.

she had defeated universo who had the super hypnotism. and went up against saturn queen on multiple encounters.. i did not say she was better than jean or prox x. i just said that she was not pathetic. she is not as powerful as x or jean. but she has skills.

And she's been beaten by Saturn Queen and Esper before if I can remember...

I didn't say you said it, I was asking is what puts her on par, since the creator seems to think she would be useful. It's basically a two against one match. Not fair.

And was that her silver age counter part or her other incarnation? Also Universo was a hypnosis, that would be like saying Mastermind is a telepath in a sense. But he isn't he only makes telepathic illusions, but his daughters on the other hand are.

i realized my mistake and edited it. and there have been three different incarnations of saturn girl with all the reboots of the legion.

@charlieboy said:

i realized my mistake and edited it. and there have been three different incarnations of saturn girl with all the reboots of the legion.

Yeah, and that's where all her feats are kinda inconsistent :/

Saturn Girl is dead weight in this battle; pair the Martian with a more powerful psychic and maybe the odds will be a bit more even. You could also give him the use of his other abilities to even the playing field. Otherwise, team 1 have no realistic chance.

Yeah I'll give it to Xavier and Jean. On paper J'onn should be much more powerful but he has also been a pretty serious jobber at times. Saturn Girl I'm unfamiliar with but from what I've seen she seems comparable to Emma Frost (maybe a little less powerful). Jean is an incredible powerhouse and Xavier has great high end feats. Also in the Marvel universe practice and experience with teammate telepaths is extremely valuable. Xavier, Jean, and Emma have proven this time and time again.

Martian Manhunter and Imra dominate

Team DC as both characters are telepathic & telekinetics in nature, not to mention MM strength alone would prove fatal to the Marvels' lovers.

J'onn solos.

Team 2. J'onn is comparable to non Phoenix Jean in terms of skill and possibly power but Saturn Girl doesn't match up to Charles AFAIK.

New 52 J'onn is on another level. Not only can J'onn enter their minds at much faster speeds, J'onn has TP on a universal level being able to resist Brainiac and entering the minds of characters who actually resisted Brainiac like Wonder Woman

Hasn't MM been able to read the minds of everyone on the planet simultaneously? I'm pretty sure Xavier has only been able to do so with the help of Cerebro, so that would place MM above either of team two in TP. Add that with MS speed and strength and I'm not sure team 2 can handle him without Jean as the Phoenix. I'm giving team 1 my vote.

Pretty sure Xavier has been able to read the minds of everyone on the planet without Cerebro. He has also talked telepathically from galaxies away proving that his thoughts move MFTL.

Do you mean his reaction time is faster thus allowing him to assault them at a higher speed? Because that didn't help Quentin Quire against Rachel owning him, or Emma for that matter. And Jean is comfortably above them both in the TP department.

Brainiac was affecting the minds of the people on earth, but I don't recall him doing it on a universal scale. He failed to fully TP Atrocitus so I don't see how he could have telepathy on that level.

@juiceboks: And how does that prove Jean can react as fast as J'onn?

Lois Lane with powers given to her by Brainiac allowed her to use telepathy on a universal scale.When Parasite absorbed a fraction of Brainiac's powers, he was using telepathy on a galaxy wide scale and Parasite couldn't believe the scope of Brainiac's telepathy.

Xavier solos. Jean steals their psionic energy and solos as well.

Yup^^^^^^^^^^^^^

@reaverlation: That proves that it doesn't matter how fast your brain works in a TP battle. Quentin was described as having lightspeed thoughts(or FTL I can't remember atm) and that didn't help him at all.

That sounds inconsistent for J'onn to resist and then TP someone who had also resisted then. Like I said he failed to fully TP Atrocitus and there was nothing to suggest he had anywhere near universal+ tp resistance. Maybe the fact that Brainiac only used his mass mind control on one planet meant that he wasn't using it to his fullest extent and that's why J'onn was able to resist.

If this is TP only then it would probably take place on the astral plane. If that's the case I actually like team 2's chances.

Team 2 because Saturn Girl sucks