Mario was on a tabletop, and him slicing up that table is a transition. Not an example of him slicing up a world.
He's slicing the world up. Not an entire planet. Just space and matter aka reality itself. Yes it does happen on a table top. He made it a tabletop.
Here's him slicing up the landscape without the terrain being transmuted into something different.
There is no wind in space and clearly that feat was non literal/minigame level.
Just as He created the cutting board he also created the fan and summoned them to space.
What makes you say it's non literal? The in game description states: A Thing Card is what you get when you squeeze a Thing. When you use them, crazy things can happen. There's no reason to think it's non literal. And he''s a reality warper. no wind in space doesn't apply to such power.
Making the work paper is a cool technique, but has it ever been used on a for of Dante's lvl?
Has Dante ever resisted such a thing before? Why wouldn't it work on Dante if it worked on a small landscape and character? Dante's not more durable than a landscape and he's not more resistant than the landscape. The character mentions the world, as in reality itself. Dante's not more resistant or more durable than reality. this was silly reasoning, and a silly question unless Dante's resisted such reality warping.
Also when has Mario EVER picked up 3 Skyscrapers (and if you're referring to him kicking those castles he was 1/3 the size of in that old game... Don't)?
Don't? Why? When he's clearly comparably much smaller than 1/3 the size of the castle?
You mean he was 1/3 the size of the entrance Door. He was like 1/100,000 or less the size of the entire interior level. The scene is displayed in a goofy way for multiple reasons, but that doesn't mean the castle changed size so Mario could destroy it, lol. Mario kicking the castle is in the same vein as Bugs cutting off Florida but appearing the size of a city, or Popeye giving the sun a blackeye. We know the actual scale of the castle, it's just not presented as such in the scene. Doesn't mean he nor it, shrunk or grew in size. I mean on the level select screen Mario appears bigger than the castle. Again silly reasoning in an attempt to dismiss the feat.
When has Mario ever consistently moved Faster than light speeds?
He reacts faster Consistently . In SMG 1 and 2, Launch stars launch at Mftl speeds from galaxy to galaxy and planet to planet. only for him to react and land perfectly on different planets as well as being able to go from launch star to launch star.
It makes sense as Mario was amped in this game by Luma, a baby Star.
Still not considering Mario's superior versatility and hax. Again a comp Mario stomps, and some solo game Mario's still have a good shot. Galaxy Mario has a shot at beat Dante. World mario has a shot at beating Dante(even though he is much slower) Odyssey Mario has a shot just with basic hax alone. Composite Would stomp him with or without Paper feats.
@soothing_sounds: Visually to me it isn't mtfl. U know if it was introduced as in Smallville episodes like Martian taking Superman to the sun etc. so this would look to mtfl. Or in Bayonetta series sending Jubileus to the sun
@soothing_sounds: Visually to me it isn't mtfl. U know if it was introduced as in Smallville episodes like Martian taking Superman to the sun etc. so this would look to mtfl. Or in Bayonetta series sending Jubileus to the sun
Neither of those things is visually FTL. If it was FTL you wouldn't see it, you can't see FTL. You're saying this is visually FTL?
That being said. Mario is launched from the Mushroom Kingdom to a different galaxy:
Unless it happened in months or years, this is FTL. It happened in moments. This is MFTL
Even more impressive in SMG1 Mario gets launched from a stationary observatory to distant galaxies
Again traveling to distant galaxies is MFTL. Regardless of visuals. Again silly questioning and reasoning.
@soothing_sounds: Ok a lot of visuals doesn't sound impressive if we must say it is mtfl but i played a lot of mario games and honestly none of them compare to Bayonetta live action animations
@davidharewood14: appearances deceive. Bayonetta looks more epic, but a lot of Mario's feats are equal or superior to hers. Anyways this thread isn't Mario vs bayo, dont know why her live action animations matter
@soothing_sounds: U know i would call Mario characters walking plot devices. They are as powerful as plot demands them to be like once they will be street lvl then solar system lvl then multiverse lvl but in year later even below average human lvl and next planet lvl etc. Practically like all high/herald/abstract/omnipotent tier marvel and dc characters. DMC or Bayonetta or Legend of Zelda ( mainly characters appearing in many eras like Ganondorf or Vaati ) or Metroidverse stick with their characters when it comes to consistency. Ok if we use some weird scenes from paper games or party or golf or tenis games i agree with u Mario is superior to Bayo or Dante or Palutena etc.
This is an ITEM, called Turnip. Not only is it outside of Paper Mario's natural abilities
Again, this is an Item called Scissors, and I would suggest this is a transition feat.
Maybe you should read Round 2 again:
"Canon & Paper Composite Mario, All Gear, Abilities"
These, "items", are part of his gear.
but it is never stated to slice up the world, It could be a transition screen for all we know. Doesn't mean anything.
and I would suggest this is a transition feat. Nothing refers to this scene as reality warping.
Where is it stated Paper Mario is a reality warper?
What? Before his mid level reality warping capabilities game Mario had the ability to flip between dimensions.
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I already posted him having the capabilities to literally turn the world into a flat piece of paper
I don't know what you mean by transition feat. It just looks like he's altering the surroundings to me. He doesn't need to be stated as one if we see him do it. Plus in Mario and Luyigi Paper Jam, where the bros specials do nothing to the surroundings, the trio attacks where they turn the enemies into paper again alters the surroundings
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Where is it stated Paper Mario is a reality warper? Also Mario has never been stabbed and shrugged it off or resisted blades for that matter, Dante has. Dante> Paper Mario in Durability.
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Mario tanks being stabbed and launched by a sword larger than a castle. even if we take the feat as an outlier. he literally tanked Bowser's claws and essentially no sold Bowser's Projectile horns just moments before this.
Dante has. Dante> Paper Mario in Durability.
So. Dante's never been turned into a origami shuriken. Mario has with no pain whatsoever. Mario's more durable than Dante.
Mario didn't kick the Castle there, he kicks it here https://gfycat.com/thickdeepcats . Clearly he is 1/3 the size of the Castle when he kicks it.
Must've either never played the game or are trolling because you lost this debate.
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Mario literally having an entire level in the castle he punted. again unless you're inferring that Mario shrunk the castle(an ability that would make Dante a joke to Mario) the castle was a full sized thing.
This doesn't make Mario faster than light speed, Anymore than a Jetfighter pilot using a Mach 2 speed Aircraft is. Mario has no FTL combat/Reaction feats.
These aren't comparable. The scene is more akin to a Jet pilot jumping from one Jet to the other while both are going max speed.
You said "He's slicing the world up. Not an entire planet. Just space and matter aka reality itself." But it wasn't Mario it was the Items, just correcting you.
This is semantics. It's irrelevant and pointless. It's like saying Green Lantern didn't create that construct. his Ring did. Or Dante didn't one shot that demon. His gun did.
Also "Turnip" and "Scissors" are never stated to slice through worlds or be reality warping, just clearing that up also.
We see it happen. I don't think the term Reality warping is ever stated in Paper Mario but he does it all the time.
Flipping between dimensions isn't reality warping. Cool feat though.
A transition screen is simply like going from one colorful screen to the next. Done more for the viewer than anything story related.
Freezing the world to put stickers on it isn't effective in Battle. That's all Paperize does and doesn't apply to a Dante V Mario battle.
In "Mario&Luigi: Paper Jam!!": It changes the theme because Paper Mario is Attacking, it's thematic
Mario got turned into a Sharp paper shuriken... Ok? That's meant to stab other and does not reflect personal durability. Dante is more durable.
It's just meant to show an inkling of his capabilities. In color Splash he literally creates the world with paint. He's a reality warper.
Actually he uses these powers multiple times in Story. Meanwhile he has attacks where there is no transition screen. Don't know why they wouldn't all have transition screens if it was just for the viewer.
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The 2nd one where he uses a grill to create an inferno would be every useful against Dante. It's also been shown in combat as well. For example
When Roy turned the area black, Mario just used a washing Machine to clean it up. There's a feat like this for every Koopaling,
Also Don't think I could Imagine Dante literally getting his bones crumpled and walking it off just fine. which is what the washing machine would do to him
Until he puts him into a washing machine or cuts him apart without Dante showing the capabilities to dodge while time is stopped
Except literally None of the attacks would be capable in the current setting they're in. The world gets altered in the attack performed in the altered Setting. No reason to think it's just thematics, except pure illogical conjuncture.
Getting your bones crumpled, skin stretched, etc etc for whatever reason it may happen is definitely a reflection of personal durability. What about the whole getting a Giant sword dropped on him that launched him miles and just walking it off?
I Don't even know why you discount Mario as a reality warper, you yourself stated, "No such thing as Air in space, this feat is toon level at best." When discussing the fan. I don't know if you know this, but toon force is reality warping.
I've played the game where Mario punted the Castle, I also literally uploaded the link (https://gfycat.com/thickdeepcats). Never was I silly enough to take the feat as literal, especially since I know Mario isn't a giant. It just means you conquered that castle.
Or the scene just isn't drawn to scale which is what we actually see. This is like saying Mario doesn't walk between levels because he's so much bigger on the map screen. Besides that. The scenes are cutscenes meant to depict story as well being shown as having actual interaction with the world.
You can't just discount what you see on screen without any reason. it doesn't even make sense.
And not really, the Pilot is reacting and moving just like Mario is, neither move that fast on their feet or in combat which is the point. Travel feats don't count.
It's not a combat feat, but a reaction one.
Again, Mario is being launched at speeds Massively Faster than Light, and then reacts to something directly in the middle of his path. This isn't comparable to a jet pilot at all. It's a completely different situation with different circumstances all around
Dante is stronger, Faster, and more durable. He stomps honestly.
Dante's not stronger, Dante's not more durable, and if we discount Mario's outlier's, then yes Dante has faster combat speed, but Mario's reactions feats are far superior. That's a pretty impressive slow punch that caused a small shockwave. Mario's kicked a castle and Paper Mario, the physical inferior one, unrolled the ground with a casual hammer strike.
More importantly. mario has like thousands of ways to kill Dante, even if Dante was faster, stronger, or more durable... but he's not. Mario all around stomps.
@jashugan: marioverse is most overwanked verse currently for sure. even marvel and dc live action universes like mcu, dceu or arrowverse are superior to marioverse
There is no mario ftl feat there, those planets are small and so is the distance between them.
Launch stars launch at a consistent speed throughout the game and can launch Mario between Galaxies
Getting from one Galaxy to the next is MFTL.
Dante has had his bones crumpled before. What do you think happens all the time he's stabbed through his torso?
I think a a small part of his chest is being impaled. Not every single bone in his body getting crushed. and mangled.
Dante's body is so hot you can see the heat from his body in his devil trigger. Dante has fought in lava,
Dante has sat on a fire demon without getting burned at all, dante has ifrit which channelled hellfire on his body. Fire on a grill won't do anything.
Didn't know, Still doesn't stop the Scissors from cutting him, The Laundry machine from crumpling him, or the Fan from blowing him thousands of miles away... among dozens of other things.
Hitting A 5 inch thick bridge made of cardboard and making it roll isn't very hard or heavy. That's not an impressive strength feat.
When you're a millimeter thick piece of paper it is. Not mentioning Mario literally punting castles.
Dante has yamato, he can "flip"/ cross between dimensions.
Okay.
@soothing_sounds: so about 100+ meters per second then since he cocked his arm backwards and covered that distance in about a second.
Far from slow.
Fine. Still didn't seem like an impressive impact.
Fine. Still didn't seem like an impressive impact.
What you think it seems like doesn't matter at all. We don't know the weight of the savior, we know it is somewhat spacious where it has the blue gems( we're shown this with the blue gem in its chest and it's head) on its body and the interior is comprised of demonic matter.
Just off these figures, the savior is heavy and hits with a lot of force and a weaker Dante with no devil trigger was able to block it with Rebellion.
Launch stars launch at a consistent speed throughout the game and can launch Mario between Galaxies
Yeah, post this feat of Mario getting from Galaxy to Galaxy and what it says for combat.
When you're a millimeter thick piece of paper it is. Not mentioning Mario literally punting castles.
So like I said, it's unimpressive because what he's hitting is a 5 inch thick cardboard rolled up bridge. It's nowhere near as heavy or strong as a real life bridge of same size.
he Laundry machine from crumpling him
Not every single bone in his body getting crushed. and mangled.
Nope. Citation needed.
Still doesn't stop the Scissors from cutting him
citation needed
the Fan from blowing him thousands of miles away
Dante ..... can fly at supersonic speeds and fly in space. Why the hell would a fan matter when he can fly away from it? How does this allow him to lose the battle at all when he can open a portal to get back where he left, if he even gets blown away?
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This doesn't even touch SMT Dante that has been said to be multiversal.
@jashugan: we see the impact as a small shockwave that puts up a bit of dust. That's what we know of the impact. It's not impressive as even buildings didn't shift.
The scan literally states the fact, the scene would have the same thing yet you would find some other reason to discredit the feat, so just get to that point instead. It has nothing to do with combat speed. Post 64 has the same thing in a scan that launches him from galaxy to galaxy and he REACTS in the middle of the trajectory. It's a reaction feat.
Again. Whatever. Mario still kicked a castle. Post 61 gives you a scale of how big it is in the video of the entire level.
In post 64 theres a gif of him tossing the entire environment into a washing machine. Why are you asking me to cite things that were already posted in this thread and more importantly in the post that you responded to?
Post 51 has the scene of Scissors and a radish cutting up the environment.
Dante flies at super sonic speeds? Post 48 shows winds that cause the planet to rotate at an extreme higher rate. Wind Speeds like that cause more destruction to a person than just bfring then. Sorry if that's what you thought I implied.
SMT dante fought and loss to a guy who was multiversal back when said character was city level. It's like saying demon king piccolo is universal because he fought goku.
I'm done posting things that have already been posted or are obvious. Make an original counter
...Mario curb stomps pretty much in all rounds 1, and 2...Round 3 I will give to Mario as well because of Reality Warping powers.
Dante in canon is not even close to multi-continental...so he loses badly to Mario who can outrun black holes beat down on foes like Bowser who laughs at stars being blow up in his face. Dante at best is small country level maybe Country level...with a bit of wank.
Non-canon composite Dante is SMT Dante he is Multiversal+ but he still loses here.
@soothing_sounds: stop being dumb kid. You have no clue what you're talking about, we have a multi hundred ton object moving in a punch. Dante himself is blocking most of the impact.
A jet can go supersonic and "react" to other jets, it has nothing to do with combat speed.
Wtf does "put the environment in a washing machine" mean for combat? Quantify things.
By your dumb logic the winds that rotated the planet made no impact so they're "weak".
Please, there's more reasoning why SMT Dante is said to be multiversal. The cutscene shows he didn't lose to demi fiend, he let demi fiend go and another more powerful character couldn't do anything to dante.
@soothing_sounds: stop being dumb kid. You have no clue what you're talking about, we have a multi hundred ton object moving in a punch. Dante himself is blocking most of the impact.
A jet can go supersonic and "react" to other jets, it has nothing to do with combat speed.
Wtf does "put the environment in a washing machine" mean for combat? Quantify things.
By your dumb logic the winds that rotated the planet made no impact so they're "weak".
Please, there's more reasoning why SMT Dante is said to be multiversal. The cutscene shows he didn't lose to demi fiend, he let demi fiend go and another more powerful character couldn't do anything to dante.
Face it....Dante loses again. We got someone weaker for him, but he stills loses here.
Mario is a reality Warper Dante has no counter to that.
@jashugan: Don't argue with them. Marioverse is one of most wanked verses currently.
Like annoying Dreamy Bowser cancer fanboys stating his "multiversal" power of all dreams which are considered as universes. More wanked character i couldn't imagine. Or below average human lvl doing nothing Rosalina is universal because fanboys states ( even authors confirms she barely done nothing ) because she reset the universe.
@sexybayonetta22: There’s someone trying to argue that base Mario is universal. That sounds like wank to me.
Only universal things in mario universe to me are ( by statements ) Star Rod from paper mario series, pulsar force or Gentle Pull ( also by statements ) mentioned by Rosalina, full power of 6 grand stars in centre of cosmos ( created black hole making fabric of reality to colapse leading out to big bang ). Or also by tons of statements that dark portal in Luigi's Mansion 2 which could collapse reality if it would be opened for a long time.
stop being dumb kid. You have no clue what you're talking about, we have a multi hundred ton object moving in a punch. Dante himself is blocking most of the impact.
Alright Fair enough. I still don't think it's as impressive as Mario punting a castle. In fact I'm confident it's not. Regardless. Mario still has the superior hax.
A jet can go supersonic and "react" to other jets, it has nothing to do with combat speed.
Except he's colliding from one to the other. Name a Jet pilot that can eject after colliding with another jet. Never happened? Completely impossible? They're two incomparable occurrences for multiple reasons, stop trying to use a jet Pilot dodging other jets as a means of downplaying this occurrence. It's a Reaction feat, not combat one. But reactions still have a major role in combat scenario's. Especially when the reactions far exceed those of the opponents.
Wtf does "put the environment in a washing machine" mean for combat? Quantify things.
It's not just the environment, it's the opponent as well. So it means that Dante would end up getting his body, in it's entirety, crumpled up into a little ball. SOmething he wouldn't be able to survive.
By your dumb logic the winds that rotated the planet made no impact so they're "weak".
That's not my logic. The fan... one attack... would beat Dante. It excelled the rotation of a planet by multitudes, that's more force than anything Dante's shown, resisted against, or defended against. again, there are numerous other ways as well for Mario to essentially one shot.
Please, there's more reasoning why SMT Dante is said to be multiversal. The cutscene shows he didn't lose to demi fiend, he let demi fiend go and another more powerful character couldn't do anything to dante.
Well to be fair. I know nothing of the subject. But unless Dante beat a multiversal entity, there's no reason to think he's multiversal. You saying this other character is much more powerful doesn't mean it's multiversal. Just how strong was it?
A) Being Semantics doesn't make it any less true, a gun for Dante/Ring for Green Lantern is standard gear. Turnip for paper Mario is not. Also if it's never stated to be reality warping it is not and that's makes it anassumption. E). Paper mario can summon items to do his bidding but reality warper is a Strong word. He doesn't rewrite Boswer, he can't, so he summons things to fight him. .B) I have yet to see Mario be stated to newly create a world, and they wouldn't have to all be transition screens by definition. In the video Where Mario cooks meat looks more like summoning environments and objects to attack the meat/opponents more than anything. Not Manipulating the fabric of established reality. I discount P. Mario as a reality warper because he has simply never been stated or shown to be one. It's your theory. Now a summoner of semi-powerful items, sure
Again, so? They're irrelevant semantics. Who cares if it's true or not. How does it apply to the discussion??? Mario summons the Turnip using Battle Cards. Battle Cards are how Mario does everything in this specific game. Don't know why it matters, but it is standard gear. And I see what you're saying. Reality, Matter Manip, just environmental summoning, etc etc. WHo cares what its called, it's still more powerful than anything Dante is capable of.
Alright cool. I'm certain I recall Dante getting Frozen solid by an ice frog of all things, so if fire doesn't work, Maybe he'll just use Ice.
Mario's fridge is capable of freezing Lava solid...
C). Yeah.... That Washer attack couldn't even 1-shot Roy, it's not doing much to Dante tbh. Crumpling bones? When has it ever done something like that to an Opponent like Dante/a 3 dimensional opponent? Literally no sticker in Mario's arsenal 1 shot's tough opponents https://youtu.be/WPB6_YLv-as?t=1334, and Dante has many transformations on top of being building level.
Roy isn't Dante. This is a feat for Roy, not an anti feat for the Washing Machine. Unless you feats of Roy being very fragile. Mario turns both the environment and the opponent into one sheet of paper. Dante would get turned into one sheet of paper as well. Mario's shown multiple methods of turning his opponents into paper. Dante gets crumpled. Bowser was wearing a wish granting sticker and at base is more durable than Dante anyways.
Also there is no proof the sword pierced or even hit Mario, literally we don't see it. Assuming the sharp point did hit him, the impact seems to be what sent Mario flying because the sword would have pinned him down.
Are you saying it did happen or didn't happen. If it did, who cares if it was the impact that sent him flying. the Sword was bigger than a castle. If it didn't, you're just wrong, as it's clear Mario was sent flying after the fact.
D). As for the Fan, toon feats don't count here, it's why most threads with Bug's bunny are locked. Plus it's never been stated and Toon force doesn't count on the vine if I remember correctly
No Toon character's aren't allowed. Not toon feats, not toon abilities, just solely cartoon characters. The fact you're just aiming to dismiss the attack instead of proving how Dante can resist it means Dante gets beaten by this one attacks of dozens that would destroy Dante. Again, Mario has dozens of ways to destroy Dante. He stomps.
As for the Castle feat, nah if we're taking him stomping on the cutscenes literally lets do it completely, not "Discount what we see on screen". Mario was half the size of the castle as he kicked it away just as he is half the size of the castle as he stomps so the feat isn't impressive:
No that's called scaling. Here Thor busts a Planet being 1/10 the size of said Planet. But the planet was already shown to be much larger. Different scales get used to represent different things. We've already seen the interior and exterior of the Castle up close. The only other option is you're claiming Mario can shrink the castle or grow as as large as one. Which would be just as useful.
F) It's a reaction feat as much as a man in a jet dodging other high speed fighter crafts are, or skydivers changing their position. Unless you can prove the difference, null feat. It's not a combat one on top of that making it irrelevant.
What's the difference? How bout the fact Mario's getting launched. How bout he's not inside a cockpit. He doesn't have gear with him. Like I said above how about the fact it's a collision, and No Jet Pilot has ever ejected after collision. It's a reaction feat. Reactions are very useful during combat.
Again, lifting and punting castle is more impressive. Again, consistently reacting at MFTL easily makes up for the COmbat speed difference. That first durability scan isn't a durability scan, just a resilience scan. That being said that second one doesn't compare to Mario's durability.
Mario tanked a castle busting explosion point blank and shrugged it off.
Mario stomps. Again haven't even disclosed all the ways he could. And I don't think Dante has a solid way to hurt him.
Except he's colliding from one to the other. Name a Jet pilot that can eject after colliding with another jet. Never happened? Completely impossible? They're two incomparable occurrences for multiple reasons, stop trying to use a jet Pilot dodging other jets as a means of downplaying this occurrence. It's a Reaction feat, not combat one. But reactions still have a major role in combat scenario's. Especially when the reactions far exceed those of the opponents.
They are comparable. He's being moved by something else nor does it have anything to do with actual combat.
It's not just the environment, it's the opponent as well. So it means that Dante would end up getting his body, in it's entirety, crumpled up into a little ball. SOmething he wouldn't be able to survive.
No, no he wouldn't. Dante would never be in a washing machine ever. "An entire environment" is not freaking quantification. It's all paper.
That's not my logic. The fan... one attack... would beat Dante. It excelled the rotation of a planet by multitudes, that's more force than anything Dante's shown, resisted against, or defended against. again, there are numerous other ways as well for Mario to essentially one shot.
excelled? what?
Well to be fair. I know nothing of the subject. But unless Dante beat a multiversal entity, there's no reason to think he's multiversal. You saying this other character is much more powerful doesn't mean it's multiversal. Just how strong was it?
First is the fact that Dante seemingly defeats the Demi-Fiend in this boss fight:
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Now already you're running into a few issues, such as the fact it's not even clear that Dante is stronger here. Like, it does seem to be the implication at this point, but they've been trading blows for an entire boss fight (with scripted dialogue showing it's been going on for a while), but there's nothing necessarily confirmed. At the same time though, as mentioned before this is implied to be an extended boss fight, and in similar fights, the Demi-Fiend fights to kill. So they would at least be fighting on the same general level.
It is possible for this fight to occur after the Demi-Fiend has defeated a number of noteworthy opponents. Most notably, a whole bunch in the general "universal" tier of opponents. People on the level of Mada, who can swallow the cosmos, Surt and other "apocalyptic" demons. Most noteworthy of all is that the Demi-Fiend fights three of the Cardinal Archangels at the same time prior to this fight and defeats them:
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The representation of the Cardinal archangels in all other games where they appear paints them as definite top tier demons. In the original SMT the weakest of them is at least on par with Surt, in SMT II they are portrayed on the same level of overwhelming power with lines suggesting that Michael at least is stronger than Asura, who holds up the universe (though Michael isn't among the archangels the Demi-Fiend defeats, the other Cardinal archangels are at least relevant in fights on that level). Given the way SMT metaphysics works I think that Asura feat has potential to be even higher, but... that's an argument for another time, it's irrelevant to this thread.
So Dante is roughly on par/maybe slightly superior to a guy that can fight three well-above baseline universal entities at the same time, if you take this powerscaling literally and seriously. The power of guest starring.
You can still see the bottom of the tree showing that they cut the tree. The roots you actually destroy throughout the game from the qliphoth also look different, they have red portions in them.
@ourmanuel: they didn't cut the roots they cut the tree down if you could actually read and see the bottom half of the tree there.
You fail to see how cutting a giant tree is impressive? That's your problem. It would weigh in the thousands of tons and they cut it with their own swings.
They are comparable. He's being moved by something else nor does it have anything to do with actual combat.
Like an apple and an orange is comparable. Since they're both fruits right? Or a Bear and a fish, since they're both animals? It's a reaction feat. It means Mario can react to things at MFTL speeds. Being able to react to things is applicable to combat.
No, no he wouldn't. Dante would never be in a washing machine ever. "An entire environment" is not freaking quantification. It's all paper.
Just sounds like Dismissal of abilities due to the way the world is presented. That Being said when he uses the attack, everything on the screen becomes one piece of paper. WHether the screen had lava, the sky, trees, etc etc. It's the environment, all gets turned into paper, all gets put into a washing machine. Mario also could just turn Dante into Paper using Paperization(shown in post 61) and again put Dante into the washing machine. Dante's never resisted getting turned into Paper. Don't see why he could now. Getting turned into paper isn't quantifiable. It's transmutation. You either shown resistance to it or you haven't.
excelled? what?
I thought excelled could be used as a past tense for accelerate. it can't. That being said, you didn't actually debate the point. Just troll the word use. I couldn't imagine you not knowing what I meant.
First is the fact that Dante seemingly defeats the Demi-Fiend in this boss fight:
Now already you're running into a few issues, such as the fact it's not even clear that Dante is stronger here. Like, it does seem to be the implication at this point, but they've been trading blows for an entire boss fight (with scripted dialogue showing it's been going on for a while), but there's nothing necessarily confirmed. At the same time though, as mentioned before this is implied to be an extended boss fight, and in similar fights, the Demi-Fiend fights to kill. So they would at least be fighting on the same general level.
It is possible for this fight to occur after the Demi-Fiend has defeated a number of noteworthy opponents. Most notably, a whole bunch in the general "universal" tier of opponents. People on the level of Mada, who can swallow the cosmos, Surt and other "apocalyptic" demons. Most noteworthy of all is that the Demi-Fiend fights three of the Cardinal Archangels at the same time prior to this fight and defeats them:
The representation of the Cardinal archangels in all other games where they appear paints them as definite top tier demons. In the original SMT the weakest of them is at least on par with Surt, in SMT II they are portrayed on the same level of overwhelming power with lines suggesting that Michael at least is stronger than Asura, who holds up the universe (though Michael isn't among the archangels the Demi-Fiend defeats, the other Cardinal archangels are at least relevant in fights on that level). Given the way SMT metaphysics works I think that Asura feat has potential to be even higher, but... that's an argument for another time, it's irrelevant to this thread.
So Dante is roughly on par/maybe slightly superior to a guy that can fight three well-above baseline universal entities at the same time, if you take this powerscaling literally and seriously. The power of guest starring.
The biggest problem here is that they say it's possible. And the term Should. And you don't know anything about it. And I don't know anything about it. But someone on this site said Dante wasn't multiversal and they played the game. Plus this only states universal beings
That being said comp Mario with wish granting items has countered a Universal entity in the form Super Dimentio.
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