Marco and Katakuri vs King and Queen

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Poll Marco and Katakuri vs King and Queen (45 votes)

Marco was enough to hold them off, add Kata it's secure a win 64%
King and Queen takes it this time 13%
Marco solos 7%
King solos 7%
Kata solos 2%
Queen is fodder, get his fat dumbself rekt 7%

Katakuri invades Onigashima alone instead of Perospero on the way he met Marco the Phoenix they briefly clashed but ultimately decided to team up to defeat Kaido but Katakuri have personal issues to resolve with King, they managed to reach the Live-floor to confront King and Queen

Straight up fight

Both sides have basic knowledge

Standard gear

Who wins and why?

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Queen gets low-mid diffed by any of them and then both Marco & Kat proceed to stomp King together.

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????

You clearly know Queen is a weak link here and Team 1 stomp it, why make the thread

mismatch and spite

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Kata solos

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@xebec: because some users told me Queen is above Katakuri based on bounty, he's more durable and much more versatile (germa 66 tech)

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Marco carries. Kata is a non factor that couldn't even snipe an off guard WC Sanji.

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#8  Edited By SixPathsOfCapra

Team 1. Marco > King, Kata > Queen

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@xebec: because some users told me Queen is above Katakuri based on bounty, he's more durable and much more versatile (germa 66 tech)

bounty =/= power, those users lied to you or have no idea what they're talking about

Yeah Queen is probably more durable, but katakuri has better endurance and defense mechanisms with his speed + future sight. Also he's incredibly versatile with his Mochi techniques

Queen would lose to all 3 of those guys comfortably in a 1v1, he's a weak link here

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@xebec said:
@stealth_bl4ck said:

@xebec: because some users told me Queen is above Katakuri based on bounty, he's more durable and much more versatile (germa 66 tech)

bounty =/= power, those users lied to you or have no idea what they're talking about

Yeah Queen is probably more durable, but katakuri has better endurance and defense mechanisms with his speed + future sight. Also he's incredibly versatile with his Mochi techniques

Queen would lose to all 3 of those guys comfortably in a 1v1, he's a weak link here

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No,Queen is pretty much even with King.Yeah,Marco and Katakuri low-diffs Queen but not King.He would needs an upper-high-diff fight to take him out

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Team 1 Mid Diff, Marco with his Battle Experiences in Marine ford and Black beard pirates makes him High Diff Team 2 but with Katakaturi it will be Mid Diff.

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@paxa said:
@xebec said:
@stealth_bl4ck said:

@xebec: because some users told me Queen is above Katakuri based on bounty, he's more durable and much more versatile (germa 66 tech)

bounty =/= power, those users lied to you or have no idea what they're talking about

Yeah Queen is probably more durable, but katakuri has better endurance and defense mechanisms with his speed + future sight. Also he's incredibly versatile with his Mochi techniques

Queen would lose to all 3 of those guys comfortably in a 1v1, he's a weak link here

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No,Queen is pretty much even with King.Yeah,Marco and Katakuri low-diffs Queen but not King.He would needs an upper-high-diff fight to take him out

he's not even with King, stop it.

1 Imperial Flame Dragon and this dude gets melted to death

Also he has no real way of dealing with King's Lunarian defense mechanism

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#15  Edited By mr_ingenuity  Moderator

Marco has cut King with his fire clearly shown meaning King is at his most durable. Also his healing is a great advantage. King cut off Marco's wing and he wasn't bothered and used it as a weapon. So they have no way of putting him down unless he gets exhausted and starts to take damage. Marco should win over either of them.

Katakuri doesn't scale but he isn't without tools to keep up. Future sight means he could offset any speed gaps or widen them in his favor. Mochi is very sticky so it can be used to hinder their movements allow him reprieve or just smothering them. There is also Power Mochi for ranged attack spam.

I don't think Queen belongs here. While he is very durable, has all of germas abilities and resourceful with his plagues. I don't think any of it would over come Katakuri future sight, or Marco's devil fruit.

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@xebec said:
@paxa said:
@xebec said:
@stealth_bl4ck said:

@xebec: because some users told me Queen is above Katakuri based on bounty, he's more durable and much more versatile (germa 66 tech)

bounty =/= power, those users lied to you or have no idea what they're talking about

Yeah Queen is probably more durable, but katakuri has better endurance and defense mechanisms with his speed + future sight. Also he's incredibly versatile with his Mochi techniques

Queen would lose to all 3 of those guys comfortably in a 1v1, he's a weak link here

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No,Queen is pretty much even with King.Yeah,Marco and Katakuri low-diffs Queen but not King.He would needs an upper-high-diff fight to take him out

he's not even with King, stop it.

1 Imperial Flame Dragon and this dude gets melted to death

Also he has no real way of dealing with King's Lunarian defense mechanism

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Both has kind of the same portayal.Queens natural Durability is also higher as Kings base Dura

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King and Queen.

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Marco and Katakuri mid-high diff

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Team 1 comfortably. Mid diff at worst

Marco > Kata > King > Queen

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Queen is a huge weak link here

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Two people with trash Ap and durability vs two insanely durable characters with just better stats... King and Queen win handily. I doubt Katakuri can even hurt either of them and Marco is not gonna do much in the grand scheme of things.

Marco is just a staller he ain't gonna beat half even a fraction of the top tiers out there and he's especially not gonna defeat King or Queen.

Honestly King or Queen can solo their pure stats are too much.

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Two people with trash Ap and durability vs two insanely durable characters with just better stats... King and Queen win handily. I doubt Katakuri can even hurt either of them and Marco is not gonna do much in the grand scheme of things.

Marco is just a staller he ain't gonna beat half even a fraction of the top tiers out there and he's especially not gonna defeat King or Queen.

Honestly King or Queen can solo their pure stats are too much.

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#27  Edited By Wushu59  Online

Marco and Katakuri stomp. Queen is big weak link here who doesn't have the speed to keep up. He only has durability an endurance. King can't beat them both.

We have already seen Katakuri effortlessly blitz Germa attacks which is a good chunck of Queen's moveset and we have already seen Marco send Queen flying in an isolated 1 on 1. Marco also made King bleed while in Flame On mode in the manga. He tired out due to having to heal all the ice oni with his flames. Marco can also heal himself and Kat whom has more versatility then either of his opponents plus better Haki as well.

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#28  Edited By nassergrant19
@wushu59 said:

Marco and Katakuri stomp. Queen is big weak link here who doesn't have the speed to keep up. He only has durability an endurance. King can't beat them both.

We have already seen Katakuri effortlessly blitz Germa attacks which is a good chunck of Queen's moveset and we have already seen Marco send Queen flying in an isolated 1 on 1. Marco also made King bleed while in Flame On mode in the manga. He tired out due to having to heal all the ice oni with his flames. Marco can also heal himself and Kat whom has more versatility then either of his opponents plus better Haki as well.

He clearly does…

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This Semi-Awakened Sanji is faster than his WCI Pre-Awakened self who could already react to a Bloodlusted Katakuri attack while off-guard.

Queen being able to react to and tag that Sanji is more than enough speed for this matchup. Him having a habit for allowing himself to tank attacks doesn’t negate his level of speed.

Queen beats Kata via superior strength, durability, and comparable speed.

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#29  Edited By Wushu59  Online

@nassergrant19:

This Semi-Awakened Sanji is faster than his WCI Pre-Awakened self who could already react to

This isn't relevant to Katakuri in any way. In that same episode we see Sanji get overwhelmed by King. Even before that we even saw King blitz Raid Suit Sanji which is even faster.

In chapter 1034 Sanji Pre-Exoskeleton was tagged by Queen's Henry Blazer. And even shows the previous instance of Sanji's brother Niji using it via flashback panel. (this is after Sanji "held off King and Queen")

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So Katakuri is still faster then this version of Sanji which you showed. Exoskeleton Sanji speed feats aren't relevant here because it is way beyond Queen in speed who can't even perceive him.

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Ichiji outspeed his own light speed attack

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And Katakuri effortlessly blitz him and his attack at point blank without even trying.

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Negged diffed him within seconds

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a Bloodlusted Katakuri attack while off-guard

You mean a casual jelly bean flick which Kat even knew Sanji would dodge?

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We saw WCI Sanji clash with Daifuku for a good period. Daifuku who is slower then Sanji's brothers are no where close to Kat in speed.

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Kat who can literally perceive WCI G4 Snakeman Luffy in slow motion and dodge multiple much faster then light punches and skillfully maneuver around them. Way above WCI Sanji and Onigashima Pre-Exoskeleton in speed.

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Sanji Pre-Exoskelton would not be able to replicate this at all considering he was tagged by Henry Blazer.

Queen beats Kata via superior strength, durability, and comparable speed.

Superior strength would actually be head canon. Post WCI Luffy getting one shot by a named Kaido attack is a more powerful attack then Amnesia Big Mom two shotting Queen arguably without Haki. It is directly stated that Big Mom took no damage from Queen's attack. She fell asleep on her own.

I agree with durability but it is not relevant when he is too slow to tag him. Katakuri also a more skilled fighter with more versatility has been shown to neg diff most of his moveset already. He also has Conqueror's Haki which would increase his battle power and speed the longer he fights.

Speed is not comparable at all. Katakuri at top speed would never be tagged by Henry Blazer. He already blitzed ftl character who outspeed attack same speed as Henry Blazer.

The only reason WCI Luffy would lose to Queen and can't beat him fair and square is due to time limit placed on Gear 4th. If you give Luffy plot armor Haki recharge like in Doflamingo and Katakuri fights then WCI Luffy could beat Queen by virtue of being faster while in Gear 4th and Haki bloom which makes him stronger as he fights.

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Weird fight but probably King and Queen high difficulty.

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#31  Edited By nassergrant19

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This isn't relevant to Katakuri in any way. In that same episode we see Sanji get overwhelmed by King. Even before that we even saw King blitz Raid Suit Sanji which is even faster.

This is blatantly false. The only reason Raid Suit Sanji was overwhelmed was due to the suit feeling annoyingly solid and bothersome to him. This is why he decided to quit using it when he fought them.

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His body felt off and it was distracting to him. The suit was more of a hindrance than an asset, which is why he discarded it.

In chapter 1034 Sanji Pre-Exoskeleton was tagged by Queen's Henry Blazer. And even shows the previous instance of Sanji's brother Niji using it via flashback panel. (this is after Sanji "held off King and Queen")

This is adds more strength to my case. Sanji was blatantly exhausted from fighting two Yonko commanders and due to this he was tagged by things he could easily dodge. How do we know this?

A fresh Pre-Awakened Sanji could 2 v 1 King and Queen without getting tagged once by them.

King while getting assistance from Queen fails to tag Sanji with a Bloodlusted strike

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Then he fails again to tag Sanji with a flame swing

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Then they both clash at a similar speed.

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Sanji was clearly in that Snakeman speed department…

You mean a casual jelly bean flick which Kat even knew Sanji would dodge?

What evidence do you have to show it’s casual? In fact the scan indicates desperation. Kata is surprised and frantically screams no internally. He knew Sanji would dodge the gun, not his own attack. He attacked to make sure Sanji died and failed to get him.

Superior strength would actually be head canon. Post WCI Luffy getting one shot by a named Kaido attack is a more powerful attack then Amnesia Big Mom two shotting Queen arguably without Haki. It is directly stated that Big Mom took no damage from Queen's attack. She fell asleep on her own.

She also hit Queen with a Bloodlusted angry attack and he tanked it in a massively weaker form.

I agree with durability but it is not relevant when he is too slow to tag him.

He isn’t.

Katakuri also a more skilled fighter with more versatility has been shown to neg diff most of his moveset already. He also has Conqueror's Haki which would increase his battle power and speed the longer he fights.

True.

Speed is not comparable at all. Katakuri at top speed would never be tagged by Henry Blazer. He already blitzed ftl character who outspeed attack same speed as Henry Blazer.

Fatigued Sanji getting hit is irrelevant.

The only reason WCI Luffy would lose to Queen and can't beat him fair and square is due to time limit placed on Gear 4th. If you give Luffy plot armor Haki recharge like in Doflamingo and Katakuri fights then WCI Luffy could beat Queen by virtue of being faster while in Gear 4th and Haki bloom which makes him stronger as he fights.

Nah Queen would win even with those additions.

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#32  Edited By Wushu59  Online

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This is blatantly false. The only reason Raid Suit Sanji was overwhelmed was due to the suit feeling annoyingly solid and bothersome to him.

And what this this have to do with King tagging in his pterodactyl form? (with Flame On even)

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Sanji used his Raid Suit just fine against Page One.

This is why he decided to quit using it when he fought them.

He doesn't want to use it because he despise his family. It doesn't take away from King's feat

This is adds more strength to my case. Sanji was blatantly exhausted from fighting two Yonko commanders and due to this he was tagged by things he could easily dodge.

Sure. You could make a case for that. But Katakuri fought Luffy for several hours longer then Sanji fought and still dodged multiple Snakeman strikes after getting his 2nd wind via Haki Bloom and regaining composure. Snake Man Black Mamba punches being several times faster then anything in Queen's arsenal. You can make a case that King and Queen were fatigued from fighting Marco who has direct showings of tagging them around as well.

King even block a full speed Sanji Raid Suit Shooting Star kick with the palm of his hand,

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How do we know this?

A fresh Pre-Awakened Sanji could 2 v 1 King and Queen without getting tagged once by them.

King while getting assistance from Queen fails to tag Sanji with a Bloodlusted strike

Nice reaction feats from Sanji.

However, Reaction Speed = / = Continuous Combat speed.

Even Pre-Time Skip Straw Hats have reactions off Pacifista lasers which puts them at relativistic reactions. This doesn't mean Usopp can throw punches at relativistic speeds however. Whereas Snakeman Luffy can clearly throw punches at much faster then light off scaling above Raid Suit attacks which Katakuri can dodge while multiple of them are being launched at once while changing attack pattern + trajectory within close proximity. Far more impressive then Onigashima Sanji dodging one or two attacks at a time.

Two separate speeds. King is Flame On Mode as well. And Sanji was in fact tagged by King flame attack which you omitted.

Then he failsagainto tag Sanji with a flame swing

A casual swing from King which Queen fails to dodge despite having Observation Haki.

Then they both clash at a similar speed.

King is not going max speed and is in Flame On Mode. We know this because we already saw King casually stop a super speed Sanji kick beforehand. There is nothing to suggest Queen is as fast as King even with Flame On.

Sanji was clearly in that Snakeman speed department…

No he wasn't. Daifuku is even in speed with Sanji who slower than Raid Suit which was blitzed by Katakuri neg dif. If you mean Onigashima Sanji then no as well. I already explained why. Queen simply doesn't have the speed feats. Was getting repeatedly tagged by Flame On King and even got tagged by Chopper even. Sanji maneuver around Queen isn't as impressive when you consider Queen's style of fighting. King in Flame on Mode no diffed shooting star kick from Raid Suit Sanji.

Post Exeskelton Sanji is defiently much faster then Flame On Mode King butbefore that no.

What evidence do you have to show it’s casual? In fact the scan indicates desperation. Kata is surprised and frantically screams no internally. He knew Sanji would dodge the gun, not his own attack. He attacked to make sure Sanji died and failed to get him.

Do I seriously have to answer this? All Kat did was flick a jelly bean with his thumb. How is that remotely close to this where Kat is going full speed and dodging multiple faster then light punches?

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Also, one thing I would like to add is a Katakuri would be much faster while calm than a "bloodlusted" or sweating Katakuri as his Future Sight requires him to be in a calm mental state to operate at faster speeds. We directly saw this when he regained his composure against Bound Man Luffy.

She also hit Queen with a Bloodlusted angry attack and he tanked it in a massively weaker form.

Being knocked unconscious isn't tanking I'm afraid. Amnesia Big Mom.

He isn’t.

He is too slow. You haven't provided any speed feats from Queen to suggest he can remotely replicate speed feats Katakuri has done with Raid Suits and Snake Man Luffy who is way faster then Raid Suits even. Katakuri would never be tagged by Chopper in a million years.

Fatigued Sanji getting hit is irrelevant.

Katakuri after hours of fighting dodged 1000s of punches from Snake Man Luffy all which are all individually faster then a single Henry Blazer all at once. I would put post Exoskeleton Sanji as faster then Kat but this is irrelevant to Queen who can't even keep up with Exoskeleton Sanji in the first place. Sanji's speed feats are irrelevant when it comes to Queen's speed. And the speed feats from Sanji Pre-Skeleton are not remotely as impressive as Katakuri's speed feats anyways.

Nah Queen would win even with those additions.

There is nothing to suggest he would. Luffy with unlimited Gear 4th is much faster then he is and grows stronger in combat via Haki.

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#33  Edited By nassergrant19

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And what this this have to do with King tagging in his pterodactyl form? (with Flame On even

Suit hindered Sanji.

He doesn't want to use it because he despise his family.

Lol no. He was fine using it against Page and even gave himself a superhero name, Soba Mask. However, in this fight, the suit started to bother him as he was slowly awakening inside the suit.

Unless Sanji was having memory loss about his family during the raid suit page fight, and the hot springs scenes, it’s clear as day, he took it off because it was hindering him.

But Katakuri fought Luffy for several hours longer then Sanji fought

Fighting two YC is massively more exhausting than fighting one.

King even block a full speed Sanji Raid Suit kick

Not that reacting from such a far range is that impressive of a speed feat, but I already explained that Raid Suit Sanji during this time was hindered.

Nice reaction feats from Sanji.

However, Reaction Speed = / = Continuous Combat speed.

Sanji being able to react to light beams from multiple angles and then Queen being able press his reactions in combat gives him extremely impressive combat speed.

Even Pre-Time Skip Straw Hats have reactions off Pacifista lasers which puts them at relativistic reactions. This doesn't mean Usopp can throw punches at relativistic speeds however. Whereas Snakeman Luffy can clearly throw punches at much faster then light off scaling above Raid Suit attacks which Katakrui can dodge while multiple of them are being launches at once while changing attack pattern + trajectory within close proximity. Far more impressive then Onigashima Sanji dodging one or two attacks at a time. Snakeman was throwing sever

Yeah he was throwing several but Queen was blasting lasers from all directions in addition to his combat.

Two separate speeds. King is Flame On Mode as well. And Sanji was in fact tagged by King flame attack which you omitted.

Hindered Sanji

A casual swing from King which Queen fails to dodge despite having Observation Haki.

You have no proof it’s casual. King is clearly trying to kill him with a full speed attack. Queen was goofing around talking to Sanji about Germa. He also didn’t expect Sanji to jump away so fast nor his own teammate to hit him.

King is not going max speed and is in Flame On Mode. We know this because we already saw King casually stop a super speed Sanji kick beforehand.

That was a hindered Sanji who literally telegraphed everything from a massive distance to the point King calls him out for it.

There is nothing to suggest Queen is as fast as King even with Flame On.

There is tbh. Their performance against Sanji and Zoro.

No he wasn't. Daifuku is even in speed with Sanji

Casual Sanji. Serious Sanji can literally statue Oven….

who slower than Raid Suit which was blizted by Katakuri neg dif. If you mean Onigashima Sanji then no as well. I already explained why. Queen simply doesn't have the speed feats. Was getting repeatedly tagged by Flame On King and even got tagged by Chopper even. Sanji maneuver around Queen isn't as impressive when you consider Queen's style of fighting. King in Flame on Mode no diffed shooting star kick from Raid Suit Sanji.

I already debunked the hindered Sanji feat.

Post Exeskelton Sanji is defiently much faster then Flame On Mode King butbefore that no.

I don’t think he’s faster when Pre-Awakened, however he’s obviously comparable.

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At Kat did was flick a jelly bean with his thumb.

His body would still move at that speed. He was trying to kill Sanji. No reason for him to hold back his speed while trying to serve his mother. Also he didn’t lose his composure, he was just being urgent.

Being knocked unconicious isn't tanking I'm afraid.

He tanked an attack before getting knocked out later and this is still a weaker form.

He is too slow. You haven't provided any speed feats from Queen

Reacting to Sanji who could react to a calm Bloodlusted Kata

by Chopper in a million years.

Better being tagged by Chopper while purposefully trying to brawl then getting tagged by Big Mom’s youngest daughter.

Katakuri after hours of fighting dodged 1000s of punches from Snake Man Luffy

Fighting one YC isn’t comparable to fighting two.

Sanji's speed feats are irrelevant when it comes to Queen's speed.

Not saying he has crazy speed feats. Just putting it out there that they are shown to be comparable to Kata.

There is nothing to suggest he would. Luffy with unlimited Gear 4th is much faster then he is and grows stronger in combat via Haki.

Fast enough to react, more durable and hits harder.

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#34  Edited By Wushu59  Online

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Suit hindered Sanji.

It didn't hinder him at all versus Page One and it saved from dying against King.

Lol no. He was fine using it against Page and even gave himself a superhero name, Soba Mask.

Agree

However, in this fight, the suit started to bother him as he was slowly awakening inside the suit.

This wouldn't make him slower though. It would even make him faster considering he is closer to full Exoskeleton.

Unless Sanji was having memory loss about his family during the raid suit page fight, and the hot springs scenes, it’s clear as day, he took it off because it was hindering him.

He destroyed the suit because he hates his own family.

Fighting two YC is massively more exhausting than fighting one.

What does that have to do with the context of the speed feats? Dodging one or two attacks at a time isn't remotely as impressive as dodging 1000s of them coming at faster then light within close proximity while changing trajectory. I already explained that reaction = / = continuous combat. Dodging one two attacks at a time doesn't negate the fact that Flame On King is still faster through contentious combat.

Not that reacting from such a far range is that impressive of a speed feat, but I already explained that Raid Suit Sanji during this time was hindered.

Shooting Star kick is clearly meant to be an ultimate attack and clearly shows him accelerating in speed.

Sanji being able to react to light beams from multiple angles and then Queen being able press his reactions in combat gives him extremely impressive combat speed.

It is impressive. But Black Mamba Snakeman Luffy punches are far faster then that and also came from different directions and changing angles even.

Hindered Sanji

This is really not a good argument imo. He is clearly becoming faster the closer he gets to Exo. Like we even saw Kanjuro block multiple Sanji kicks before even getting to Ongiasima while holding Momo. So is Kanjuro faster then King and Queen now? Clearly not.

You have no proof it’s casual. King is clearly trying to kill him with a full speed attack.

We do have proof. We already saw King tag his Raid Suit earlier. And sure King was trying to kill him. Doesn't mean it's him going full momentum at his max potential.

Queen was goofing around talking to Sanji about Germa. He also didn’t expect Sanji to jump away so fast nor his own teammate to hit him.

He has Observation Haki though. The point is Queen fire multiple attacks at him and Sanki even Pre-Exo dodged multiple times. Based on that you could infer Sanji even Pre-Exo is faster then Queen in terms on continuous combat. Right?

There is tbh. Their performance against Sanji and Zoro.

Sanji gets tagged by King here. At the end of the video. After Queen fails to tag him multiple times.

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We also see King with flame on cut off Marco's wing.

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We also see Marco kicking Queen around like crazy

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https://youtu.be/g1K1VKntnXE?t=8

It happens to King as well but not as frequent. King even with Flame On is clearly faster.

Casual Sanji. Serious Sanji can literally statue Oven….

He attacked Oven from an unseen location and quickly went back on the carriage as Oven was own. Oven is a lot taller than Sanji so him kicking from directly under his chin while attention his focused on Pound doesn't mean much.

I'll give you a real life example. If I am fighting somebody and have my attention completely focused on them, it is possible for a midget to sneak underneath me with a crow bar hit me upside the chin and then run and hide while I am down. lol

Why would he just not outright blitz Daifuku if this was the case?

I already debunked the hindered Sanji feat.

I can explained further why this is not a good argument. Why would you say Sanji was hindered? Because he caring Luffy? Well, Niji was caring both Luffy and Sanji and even states Sanji has to move faster. He is more hindered then Sanji is.

I don’t think he’s faster when Pre-Awakened, however he’s obviously comparable.

Eh. I disagree but this is pointless argument anyways because this really has nothing to do with Queen's speed.

His body would still move at that speed. He was trying to kill Sanji. No reason for him to hold back his speed while trying to serve his mother. Also he didn’t lose his composure, he was just being urgent.

You understand that your thumb moving in a flicking motion is not remotely as fast as moving your hips and feet to generate more speed right? Sure he was trying to kill Sanji in that moment. But the point is you can only move so fast flicking a jelly bean. Would you say Katauri's jelly bean flick is as fast as even a singular Black Mamba Snakeman Luffy punch?

No. Right? It's crazy to insinuate.

He tanked an attack before getting knocked out later and this is still a weaker form.

Are we thinking about the same feat? I'm referring to Udon prison which Big Mom took two hits to KO him. Both being nameless attacks.

Reacting to Sanji who could react to a calm Bloodlusted Kata

Katakuri's jelly bean flick even at max speed obviously does not scale to Luffy Black Mamba punches in speed which Kat dodged thousands of within similar timeframe. Also wouldn't be as fast as Kat actually using his body to generate more speed rather then just flicking something with his thumb. WCI Sanji is explicitly stated to be slower then Niji moving at top speed.

Better being tagged by Chopper while purposefully trying to brawl then getting tagged by Big Mom’s youngest daughter.

Talking about exhausted base Luffy getting tagged by Flampe from an unknown location? Does this scale to Snakeman now? lol

Chopper fought Perospero head up in WCI and couldn't get hit in at all let alone against Katakuri.

Fighting one YC isn’t comparable to fighting two.

The speed feat is still astronomically better than dodging one or two attacks at a time. Queen is slower anyways and King was in Flame On Mode. We are talking about dodging 1000s of attacks faster then Queens compared to 1-2 in isolated instances.

Not saying he has crazy speed feats. Just putting it out there that they are shown to be comparable to Kata.

You haven't shown any feats to suggest it though. The feat I keep bringing up is still 10000s better then any Queen speed or Pre-Exo Sanji speed feat.

Fast enough to react, more durable and hits harder.

He can barley react to Onigashima Sanji and even gets tagged by Chopper. How does he react to Snakeman at all? lol

More durable is very debatable. Luffy's durability even then is insane. Kaido's Thunder Baiga at full momentum would also knock out Queen given he was knocked by two nameless attacks from Big Mom. I think he would recover faster due to his zoan just like Ulti but he would still be KO'd nonetheless.

How does he hit harder then Bound Man Luffy? There is actual no way to scale this. You can argue it with King given he traded with Conqueror's Haki Zoro but Queen actually has no feats you could use to scale to Pre- Bound Man. Bound Man even in Dressrosa is portrayed as extremely powerful.

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Queen doesn't belong here

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King is too durable

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Team 2, Kat is fodder

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@stealth_bl4ck: that would work if it can actually tag mochi, which is not happening

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@ragegod: lol you really should read WC arc again, Katakuri is enough to win against both Queen and King in a 1v1. He has better haki (all three types, while King and Queen barely displayed one of them and no conqueror), better control over his DF (plus awakening) and he is so smart it's not even funny to compare them

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Katakuri was matching Snakeman in reflex and had WC luffy beat in armament haki + future sight.

Marco has OP healing for himself + others

Both have better intelligence and more experience than either of team 2.

It's only a matter of time before they ware down the beast pirates and stomp them mid diff. Queen falls first he can't compete with either.

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Marco and Kat fold.