Marauders vs Excalibur

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Kitty's Dawn of X team vs Betsy's Dawn of X team. Which one will come out on top?

Lineups in case you are not aware of the characters or can't the pictures:

Marauders - Kitty, Storm, Bobby, Bishop, Emma, Pyro

Excalibur - Betsy, Rogue, Remy, Jubilee, Rictor, Apocalypse

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Marauders with High diff due Apocalypse.

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Emma Solos the entire team (minus Apocalypse) then they gang bang Apocalypse

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I think Emma can take Apocalypse. She's only ever admitted Jean is her superior.

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#7  Edited By weatherwitch21

Mauarders win betsy isnt going to down easy but Emma is her superior

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I Mean wait.....is Rogue conscious?

If she is she can AOE drain and Apocalypse would walk right through here.

Plus most of the people on the Marauders dont have the feats to really damage Jubilee.

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I think Emma can take Apocalypse. She's only ever admitted Jean is her superior.

And Xavier......possibly. It depends on what Emma meant when she said it was moot, when Xavier said he was stronger than her

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Moot has two definitions:

1) subject to debate, dispute, or uncertainty.

2) having little or no practical relevance, typically because the subject is too uncertain to allow a decision.

Depending on what Emma means, she very well could be agreeing or disagreeing with Charles.

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#10  Edited By cosmic_reign  Online

Excalibur

Apocalypse may solo

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#11  Edited By comic_book_fan

apocalypse could solo rogue could beat most of team one psylocke could solo all but emma gambit could beat most of the team by himself excalibur stomps.

2nd look at the rosters didn't notice storm this could be a better fight than i thought but Apocalypse could still solo

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@pyrofn: Doom has pushed emma out and Apocalypse's mental defense are more powerful than even Doom's

and unless she did it recently jean can't get through the only reason why red onslaught got through was because he got to even before he got to his armor

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apocalypse could solo rogue could beat most of team one psylocke could solo all but emma gambit could beat most of the team by himself excalibur stomps.

2nd look at the rosters didn't notice storm this could be a better fight than i thought but Apocalypse could still solo

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Apocalypse solos both rounds.

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@pyrofn: the point being she won't admit it, she straight up admitted to Jean being more gifted and even called her a bully. People tend to label others bully when they know said person can whoop they ass.

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Storm defeats Betsy and Rogue with lightning or wind.

  Kate, Pyro, Bishop and Bobby beat the rest of the street level.

Emma keeps Apocalypse busy until she gets help, so after most of the Excallibur Team has been defeated, Kate activates her Badass Device and kills Apocalypse in an iconic way through a harmless object inside his Head.

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@waitomegastorm: Storms lightning was just shown to not ko a regular ass nobody until she built up a sky lightning charge.

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#18  Edited By WaitOmegaStorm

@lordofallhumans: Really? are you using that? Do I really need to post a lot of Scan here to prove that Storm can summon lightning quickly or that she doesn't need a cloud to make a powerful lightning strike ? Besides, someone has been ignoring the context and did not see that Storm was just giving a warning and that he was a super soldier.

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@waitomegastorm: you don't need to post anything but Rouge and a phased Kitty being taken down by lightning. Currently her regular lightning can't take a nobody down and Rogue is far beyond a super solider.

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@lordofallhumans: Current Rogue has no durability feat to suggest that she can withstand a lightning hot enough to turn sand into glass, current Rogue is sleeping in a beautiful flower bed with no relevant feat.

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@lordofallhumans: Current Rogue has no durability feat to suggest that she can withstand a lightning hot enough to turn sand into glass, current Rogue is sleeping in a beautiful flower bed with no relevant feat.

And Current Storm couldn't KO a regular soldier, so...

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Her first bolt wasn't instant, and her second/main bolt needed charging...He took 2 bolts and was still conscious.

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#22  Edited By WaitOmegaStorm

@geekryan: Again, Paragon is a super soldier, he was obviously knocked out by the second lightning, otherwise he would have prevented Storm from taking the kids, Storm never needed a cloud to produce lightning (in # 2 marauders, XMen #1 for example), we saw this several times and especially this year when she was practically a lightning Lass, Current Rogue doesn't have a durability feat to withstand a lightning strike.

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@waitomegastorm: Why exactly did Rogue lose every feat she's had in recent years? Just curious as to why Rogue suddenly starts at 0

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#24  Edited By WaitOmegaStorm

@martinceld: nothing, I not started it of "Current" but Lord who took a recent situation of Storm Lightining and tried to say that Storm could not affect Rogue with the lightning, so I just used the same logic about Current Rogue durability

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#25 geekryan  Online

@geekryan: Again, Paragon is a super soldier, he was obviously knocked out by the second lightning, otherwise he would have prevented Storm from taking the kids, Storm never needed a cloud to produce lightning (in # 2 marauders, XMen #1 for example), we saw this several times and especially this year when she was practically a lightning Lass, Current Rogue doesn't have a durability feat to withstand a lightning strike.

That guy wasn't a super soldier. His speech bubble indicates he was making sounds, so he wasn't knocked out, just down and in pain.

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@waitomegastorm: well you see the thing with them saying "current storm", they are saying her more recent portrayals are showing that she is being written weaker than before. it's the same way people say "current Magneto" because his showings have been on a weaker level in recent years. This doesn't apply to rogue because her actual feats didn't have her operating on a lower level. She is actually more powerful than ever I think because she now has AOE draining and can kill people with it easily.

"current" doesn't mean the characters are all rebooted and start from 0 in HOX/POX + DOX, when they say current they mean the power levels the character has been displaying. Rogue's most recent showings are from Mr & mrs X, that is her "current" form

So just to clarify, i'm not saying storm is weaker now. I'm just explaining how people are using "current"

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@geekryan: oh of course even why anyone with human durability wouldn't be knocked out by two lightning bolts, including one that is capable of opening a crater on the ground and turning sand into glass, and if he wasn't knocked out why didn't he get up quickly and fight against Storm?

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#28  Edited By psi-bite234

Excalibur

Besty can hold of Emma Frost Tp wise until Rouge/Apocalypse solos the rest of the team

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@comic_book_fan: Why are youtalking to me about Doom in this thread? Doom isn’t even in this battle.

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@pyrofn: Apocalypse has better TP resistance than Doom and Doom had to much for emma it's pretty obvious if Doom has to much for emma and Apocalypse has more than Doom than Apocalypse has more to much for emma .

jean is more powerful than emma and Apocalypse block jean than Apocalypse can block emma.

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@geekryan: oh of course even why anyone with human durability wouldn't be knocked out by two lightning bolts, including one that is capable of opening a crater on the ground and turning sand into glass, and if he wasn't knocked out why didn't he get up quickly and fight against Storm?

Because current Storm's lightning bolts are weak. There is zero indication that this soldier was enhanced in any way, so you claiming so is a pure lie.

Real humans have survived real lightning bolts, btw. Doesn't take being a superhuman to do so.

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I don't understand this notion that Storm needs to be operating at 100% capacity and when she doesn't that automatically means everything shes ever done beforehand that disgarees with a mishap or ya know a quick scene of her humiliating a random soldier should be scrapped, yet when she does something worth of note its PIS or just generally ignored. I wonder if people even know they're doing the very thing they despise what certain fans do, if on one week Storm hurts a very durable character and its used as a 10/10 debating tactic its criticized as not the norm sometimes rightfully so, yet when shes tagged, hurt or whatever that is suddenly the norm on that week (or before the comic even comes out and COLORED, yes looking at whoever posted the panels of her being kicked by Batroc).

Just an odd thing I've been seeing for a while now from the sidelines, but back to this particular instance.

Storm puts down somebody we don't know and instead of taking into account he must be pretty damn durable to survive that heat alone (the only thing we can actually calculate) and shes far more likely than not holding back (at a time she isn't allowed to kill humans), instead its pointed out how becaue she didn't immediatly ko him her lightning must be weaker... especially when discussing whether or not she can hurt Rogue. Toying with someone she doesn't know and testing his durability at a time she can't kill humans = its unqestionable she can't touch someone she actually knows is very durable as if its obvious her cap dramatically decreased even though just months ago her lightning was far stronger. I just don't get it.

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@geekryan said:
@waitomegastorm said:

@geekryan: oh of course even why anyone with human durability wouldn't be knocked out by two lightning bolts, including one that is capable of opening a crater on the ground and turning sand into glass, and if he wasn't knocked out why didn't he get up quickly and fight against Storm?

Because current Storm's lightning bolts are weak. There is zero indication that this soldier was enhanced in any way, so you claiming so is a pure lie.

Real humans have survived real lightning bolts, btw. Doesn't take being a superhuman to do so.

stop acting like Storm used his most powerful lightning bolts on everyone, she just wanted to knock him out, not kill him.

and besides if he were a normal human he should be dead, so that normal human would survive the impact + heat + the electric currents of that lightning, especially the second that was more powerful, stop with nonsense.

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@geekryan said:
@waitomegastorm said:

@geekryan: oh of course even why anyone with human durability wouldn't be knocked out by two lightning bolts, including one that is capable of opening a crater on the ground and turning sand into glass, and if he wasn't knocked out why didn't he get up quickly and fight against Storm?

Because current Storm's lightning bolts are weak. There is zero indication that this soldier was enhanced in any way, so you claiming so is a pure lie.

Real humans have survived real lightning bolts, btw. Doesn't take being a superhuman to do so.

stop acting like Storm used his most powerful lightning bolts on everyone, she just wanted to knock him out, not kill him.

and besides if he were a normal human he should be dead, so that normal human would survive the impact + heat + the electric currents of that lightning, especially the second that was more powerful, stop with nonsense.

Are you serious?

It took TWO lightning bolts just to down this guy, and he still wasn't knocked out.

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/people-survive-struck-lightning/story?id=57241207

But a 2016 study found that actually, nine of every 10 people in the U.S. who are struck by lightning survive.

And here is the study about it: https://my.vaisala.net/Vaisala%20Documents/Scientific%20papers/2016%20ILDC%20ILMC/Ron%20Holle.%20Number%20of%20Documented%20Global%20Lightning%20Fatalities.pdf

Educate yourself.

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Lmaooo ppl be trying to downplay so hard that they fail to read and comprehend.

She attacked the super solder with a leader and then ended him with the full lightning bolts. You know the ones has harmed 100 tonner + characters. Lmao Pathetic

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#36  Edited By WaitOmegaStorm

@geekryan: are you trolling? is this serious? You should already know that Storm can amplify or decrease the potency of her lightning due to Storm accuracy and control, they are not completely natural and do not produce random potency like occurs in nature, so try to apply this type of example is useless, you should know, besides and i'm talking about this situation with Paragon, please answer me that NORMAL HUMAN WILL SURVIVE A TWO LIGHTNINGS IN SEQUENCE, INCLUSIVE ONE THAT IS ABLE TO OPEN A CRATER ON THE GROUND AND HOT ENOUGH TO MAKE GLASS ??

AND IF PARAGON WON'T BE KNOCKED, WHY HE NOT FIGHT AGAINST STORM AFTER OF LIGHTNIGS?

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#37  Edited By kasya_carey

@geekryan: First of all she attacked him with a leader which is not as power as the main bolt.

the second time she attacked and ended him with a lightning bolt. The goal wasn’t to knock him out. He was still defeated and didn’t tank anything. Because he was laid out.

But nice try though

So based upon those scans we have a leader knocking him on his knees showing that it actually affected him and we have the full lightning bolt defeating him.

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#38  Edited By kasya_carey

@waitomegastorm: don’t mind him he’s trying to downplay because Storm hurt a super soldier with a leader which isn’t even a bolt and then defeated him with the actual bolt.

You know it sucks to downplay and it goes no where 💀💀💀💀

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@kasya_carey: He probably thinks Psylocke could handle Storm's lightning just because of this situation that he misinterpreted (I'll pretend it's not on purpose).

Try Harder Geek

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#40  Edited By kasya_carey

@waitomegastorm: right obviously someone can’t comprehend..

Storm used a leader (something that weak compared to the full bolt) to stop a fight.

He wanted to continue little did he know that wasn’t the full bolt and it was charging in the sky. So Storm defeated him with the main bolt.

So now we know Storm doesn’t need to summon an entire bolt like she does in just about all her appearances. Classic talking about Storm fans being bias when he does stuff like this.

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@kasya_carey: yes, but it's getting funny to see how delusional he can be, he keeps insisting that Storm didn't knock out Paragon, that's embarrassing 😂😂

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@waitomegastorm: You and your entire biased fandom are pathetic lol. It's embarrassing tbh.

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@geekryan said:

@waitomegastorm: You and your entire biased fandom are pathetic lol. It's embarrassing tbh.

Pathetic is your reasoning in trying to make an example of a misunderstood situation and think it can make it valid.

"don't knock him out"

you make me laugh with your nonsense

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@geekryan said:

@waitomegastorm: You and your entire biased fandom are pathetic lol. It's embarrassing tbh.

Pathetic is your reasoning in trying to make an example of a misunderstood situation and think it can make it valid.

"don't knock him out"

you make me laugh with your nonsense

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someone's mad lmao

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This nonsense is spreading....

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@koays said:

This nonsense is spreading....

That being defeated means you have to be KO'd now?

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@koays: yes, say that Storm didn't knock out Paragon and the nonsense source here.