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Manchester Black ( Pre & Post Flashpoint)

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Naruto Uzumaki (Adult)

In character

Winner by KO, Incapacitation or Death

Random encounter

Standard gear and abilities

Fight takes place at an unpopulated city setting at night

Who'd win? For what reasons?

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Any reason Black doesn't turn Naruto's brain into mush with his TK as soon as the fight starts?

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@life_without_progress: this guy has high level telepathy.

Telepathy is something that Naruto has shown to resist, but not to this level.

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@lukehero said:

Any reason Black doesn't turn Naruto's brain into mush with his TK as soon as the fight starts?

.... Errr.... Black's a cocky prick?

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@life_without_progress: Cocky not dumb...black is a glass canon who always used his hax..not like he can punch naruto to death...

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Naruto blitzes.

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@lukehero: the question is how strong of a telepathic attack will he open with.

If he opens with a low telepathic attack, then he can force him out via Kurama and speed blitz him before he pulls out a stronger TP. If he aims high at the beginning, then Naruto can't counter.

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@sladerulez: Well high says Naruto blitzes before Black can unleash a TK or TP attack and I think he knows both characters well... he could give Naruto a stroke with the ole TK brain pop if he can get it off in time...

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#10  Edited By Sy8000

@lukehero: I haven't read that much of Black's appearances, but I know blitzing is pretty much how Superman beat the Elite.

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@lukehero: true, however, with Naruto's healing factor and slight resistance against TP, it all depends on how black opens the fight.

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#12  Edited By sirfizzwhizz

@lukehero: I haven't read that much of Black's appearances, but I know blitzing is pretty much how Superman beat the Elite.

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Blitzing?

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I haven't read Black's current appearances.

Superman's heat vision is actually faster than him even when he's going as fast as he can (it reached Wonder Woman first when he blitzed her to the sun in Sacrifice), but it looks like Black might've had his shields already up. Black couldn't do anything when Clark was blitzing his team in their initial appearance although I don't know if this Black is the same as Pre-New 52.

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@sirfizzwhizz said:

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I haven't read Black's current appearances.

Superman's heat vision is actually faster than him even when he's going as fast as he can (it reached Wonder Woman first when he blitzed her to the sun in Sacrifice), but it looks like Black might've had his shields already up. Black couldn't do anything when Clark was blitzing his team in their initial appearance although I don't know if this Black is the same as Pre-New 52.

You assume Manchester cannot react base on pre 52 battles then? Even if you want to say he needs time to get his shield up, as much as Naruto bullshits and acts cocky, speed of thought is all it takes to get TK shields up. Though this is no TK shield. It seems clear he caught the Heat Vision and held it in place.

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#15  Edited By Sy8000

You assume Manchester cannot react base on pre 52 battles then? Even if you want to say he needs time to get his shield up, as much as Naruto bullshits and acts cocky, speed of thought is all it takes to get TK shields up. Though this is no TK shield. It seems clear he caught the Heat Vision and held it in place.

Naruto has no reason to act cocky and generally doesn't. Speed of thought only matters if you have time to think.

I interrupted that as a TK shield. Black's TK doesn't have a visual effect like some do and catching lasers seems a bit outlandish unless there are other instances supporting Black doing so. Also logically if he was catching the lasers wouldn't they still keep coming from Clark?

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@highaccuser: I dont understand how its a shield when he lights his cigarette on the heat beams. Where is the barrier then that separates them?

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@highaccuser: I dont understand how its a shield when he lights his cigarette on the heat beams. Where is the barrier then that separates them?

I didn't see that actually. I thought that was a ring or something.

That is a good reflex feat. Maybe Black can win depending on his opening move.

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@sladerulez: You know what looking at this heat vision feat, changing my answer back to black.

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#19  Edited By xSniperWolfiex

After seeing that scan Manchester black stomps unless there's some context behind it to suggest he can't stop the heat vision mid flight which to me is crazy not many people can stop heat energy mid flight

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@lukehero: meh, I'll wait until they end their debate about it, and depending on the better argument, It'll make my decision for me.

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Nice capillaries you got there, shame If something..... happened to them!

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@sirfizzwhizz: I have to read this series now

@lukehero said:

@sladerulez: You know what looking at this heat vision feat, changing my answer back to black.

Does Naruto have any invisible heat attack? I know the jitsu's need hand movement and Black would see that. The only reason previously Black lost was because of plot

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@boschepg: the only untraceable "invisible" attack that might work is Limbo, which Naruto cannot perform.

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@boschepg: the only untraceable "invisible" attack that might work is Limbo, which Naruto cannot perform.

Then its going to be hard to get to Black since Black is Superman level threat. Black is very calculating.

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@boschepg:

the only reason previously Black lost was because of plot

That's why the writer added that little heat vision moment.

In there original encounter Superman stops Manchester Black with heat vision, fans would wonder why he doesn't just do that again and that moment provided was the answer. Superman is attempting to use heat vision on him and Blacks got to the point where he can just stop it.

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@boschepg:

the only reason previously Black lost was because of plot

That's why the writer added that little heat vision moment.

In there original encounter Superman stops Manchester Black with heat vision, fans would wonder why he doesn't just do that again and that moment provided was the answer. Superman is attempting to use heat vision on him and Blacks got to the point where he can just stop it.

I know. The difference being here is that Black stopped a visible heat vision. In the original, Black had tested Supes so much the invisible method was all he could do which leads to Black was, to my memory, the 2nd person he lobotomized ever in his life, the other being Doomsday. That alone makes this a big threat no matter who Naruto faced in the series.

Its still a speed feat but unless Black states that his TK field can sense the shift in environment, its two totally different heat vision attacks. (I have not read the Rebirth Supes series yet.) I can tell before reading the series that more than likely Supers isnt holding back since Black has his son.

I think Black is winning

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Naruto may be able to blitz Black before he does anything.

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Black melts his brain...

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#30  Edited By helloman

Black wins this.

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Looks like cartoon porn

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#32  Edited By GXrevs06

It's been established that TP dos not work on Jinchurikis in Naruto due to Bijuu inside. Naruto blitzes, shadow clone spams and country busts.

Oh and Black reacting to MHS opponents is PIS. It literally makes no sense that he would be that fast.

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@gxrevs06 said:

It's been established that TP dos not work on Jinchurikis in Naruto due to Bijuu inside. Naruto blitzes, shadow clone spams and country busts.

Oh and Black reacting to MHS opponents is PIS. It literally makes no sense that he would be that fast.

Get out. Literally.

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@gxrevs06 said:

It's been established that TP dos not work on Jinchurikis in Naruto due to Bijuu inside. Naruto blitzes, shadow clone spams and country busts.

Oh and Black reacting to MHS opponents is PIS. It literally makes no sense that he would be that fast.

Ahh I hear is crying that Naruto is outclass. No real argument here.

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#35  Edited By GXrevs06

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@gxrevs06 said:

It's been established that TP dos not work on Jinchurikis in Naruto due to Bijuu inside. Naruto blitzes, shadow clone spams and country busts.

Oh and Black reacting to MHS opponents is PIS. It literally makes no sense that he would be that fast.

Get out. Literally.

Oh, look. Someone who hasn't bothered to read the manga or look it up commenting. Mind assaults in Naruto do not work on Jins as their Bijuus can counter it.

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@gxrevs06 said:
@farkam said:
@gxrevs06 said:

It's been established that TP dos not work on Jinchurikis in Naruto due to Bijuu inside. Naruto blitzes, shadow clone spams and country busts.

Oh and Black reacting to MHS opponents is PIS. It literally makes no sense that he would be that fast.

Get out. Literally.

Oh, look. Someone who hasn't bothered to read the manga or look it up commenting. Mind assaults in Naruto do not work on Jins as their Bijuus can counter it.

Lol, NLF bs. I guess Jean Grey, MMH and Xavier cant TP Nartardo either, huh?

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I'll point it out to avoid lies, Naruto and the other Jinjuriki aren't immune to TP, they can just easily FREE from them, that means that they can still be caught in it and of course if the level is to high it's impossible, but until it's below planetary level, Naruto should be able to free from it.

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#38  Edited By sladerulez

@sirfizzwhizz: @gxrevs06: telepathy is... Wierd and uncommon in the Naruto universe. There are only three types of Characters who have shown any type of telepathy.

The first and obvious choice is the Yamanaka clan, who uses a jutsu to make their mind enter another body.

Obito has shown slight resistance to this jutsu and actually forced ino out of his body. Which gives him slight TP resistance

It was also idealized that one with some spirit or entity inside them could force one out of their mind.

And then there's the Jinchuuriki, who have their own variation of Telepathy. They can willfully enter their own mindscape and perform mental battles like Naruto Vs Kurama. They can also create a mental connection to others with bijuu chakra.

And finally, High level Genjutsu.

Genjutsus made by the sharingan and the toad song, have shown to alter the way the mind processes Intel, puts the person under paralysis, and allows them to view the memories and thoughts of whoever is caught in it.

There is more to genjutsu, but I don't have the time to talk about it all.

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Black ragdolls Naruto with TK.

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@sladerulez:

Generally speaking there should be everything, that said nice post and nice explanation.

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@gxrevs06 said:

It's been established that TP dos not work on Jinchurikis in Naruto due to Bijuu inside. Naruto blitzes, shadow clone spams and country busts.

Oh and Black reacting to MHS opponents is PIS. It literally makes no sense that he would be that fast.

No one is really arguing for TP, it's TK.

Physically no Manchester Black is not that fast but mentally it's very common for telepaths to think very fast. More mental processing power.

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Genjustu <<<<<<<<<< high end telepathy

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#46  Edited By kasya_carey

@gxrevs06: I guess Maxima, Xavier, Jean and more can't tp him since he's immune. If he's immune why did he call under genjustu in the last movie?

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naruto

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Manchester without much trouble

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@kasya_carey: well, white I agree that Naruto's chances with high level Telepaths are slim to none, I would like to call out PIS for that little genjutsu catching him, yet Not Sakura. Not to mention that the tenseigan has zero scans or examples of him repeating such a genjutsu later on.