Manchester Black vs. Jean Grey

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After his apparent suicide, Manchester Black's soul is sent to the Marvel universe. There he is resurrected by the Shi'ar Death Commando's to serve them in their mission, to eliminate Jean Grey. Showing Manchester Black the horror's which Jean Grey has committed as the Dark Phoenix, he agrees to hunt her down and kill her. Upon reaching Earth, he finds Jean Grey in New York City. She is alone and is in Time Square, there are people around and this battle takes place during the day. Both are in-character. Jean Grey does not have the phoenix. The battles starts with Manchester Black levitating in the air over Jean Grey, proclaiming to everyone that he is here to slay the ultimate evil in the world. Jean Grey does not know who Manchester Black is, but is able to sense that he is a telepath and telekinetic like her.

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Jean Grey stompz

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#3  Edited By Sideslash

What feats does Manchester have that give him the right to fight Jean?

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#4  Edited By OmgOmgWtfWtf

@Sideslash:

He protected Luthor from being telepathically probed by MM during OWAW.

He also mind-swapped Bizarro and Superman. then laid traps to prevent MM from finding out who did it.

He also reprogrammed Doomsday into attacking Imperiex probes, and ignoring Superman...which in itself is a pretty high end feat.

He also mind controlled all of Superman's rogues and had them fight Superman.

While controlling Bizarro and Silver Banshee, he was able to temporarily grant them enough sanity to enable them to communicate and form plans.

He was able to give Superman the equivalent of a stroke, for example, by telekinetically pinching blood vessels in Superman's brain.

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#5  Edited By Dextersinister

Manchester Black was an obscenely powerful telepath and telekinetic, standard Jean Grey doesn't come anywhere close to his level of power.

The ability to control multiple people at once with little effort automatically puts him ahead of Jean Grey as Jean and the Professor must concentrate to control one without the aid of cerebro.

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@Dextersinister said:

Manchester Black was an obscenely powerful telepath and telekinetic, standard Jean Grey doesn't come anywhere close to his level of power.

The ability to control multiple people at once with little effort automatically puts him ahead of Jean Grey as Jean and the Professor must concentrate to control one without the aid of cerebro.

False. Jean and Xavier has manipulated multiple minds at once with minimum effort.

@OmgOmgWtfWtf: All things Jean is able to do telepathically. I'm not sure hour MB would do against her Phoenix rapture though. How good is his tk?

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#7  Edited By OmgOmgWtfWtf

@Roddy010:

Well it was always his telepathy that gave Supes trouble. I never saw his telekinesis on the level of someone like Exodus, though he has been strong enough to give Supe's a stroke through tk and throw him around.

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#8  Edited By Dextersinister

@Roddy010 said:

@Dextersinister said:

Manchester Black was an obscenely powerful telepath and telekinetic, standard Jean Grey doesn't come anywhere close to his level of power.

The ability to control multiple people at once with little effort automatically puts him ahead of Jean Grey as Jean and the Professor must concentrate to control one without the aid of cerebro.

False. Jean and Xavier has manipulated multiple minds at once with minimum effort.

@OmgOmgWtfWtf: All things Jean is able to do telepathically. I'm not sure hour MB would do against her Phoenix rapture though. How good is his tk?

Manipulated yes but on most occasions full control requires concentration, there may be the odd occasion where they have controlled multiple people but that's just the nature of comics where a writer takes liberties with powers but it's actually been stated in the actual comics and shown on more than one occasion that they must concentrate to control one individual.

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#9  Edited By mrtrickster

black easily

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#10  Edited By CalebHara

@OmgOmgWtfWtf: Can i see these scans if you have them?

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#11  Edited By evilvegeta74

@CalebHara said:

@OmgOmgWtfWtf: Can i see these scans if you have them?

I wanna see too.

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@evilvegeta74 said:

@CalebHara said:

@OmgOmgWtfWtf: Can i see these scans if you have them?

I wanna see too.

Me three.

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#13  Edited By OmgOmgWtfWtf

@CadenceV2: @evilvegeta74: @CalebHara:

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#14  Edited By IcePrince_X

The only reason for me to believe that Jean Grey will lose in this battle is only because she is in character. Let her lose her morals and make her bloodlusted, Manchester Black wouldn't even know what hit him.

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#15  Edited By evilvegeta74

@CalebHara:@CadenceV2:@OmgOmgWtfWtf said:

@CadenceV2: @evilvegeta74: @CalebHara:

I see, those are tremendous feats, thanks for the scans! After looking at the feats of Jean Grey here: http://www.comicvine.com/jean-grey/29-3552/the-feats-of-jean-greys-powers/92-619309/ I have to say while manchester is highly impressive, Jean Greys feats are pretty cool as well . Check the link, and let me know if you agree or disagree. There are a lot of scans to choose from.

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@OmgOmgWtfWtf said:

@CadenceV2: @evilvegeta74: @CalebHara:

Thanks for these, it is greatly appreciated.

@OmgOmgWtfWtf said:

@Sideslash:

He protected Luthor from being telepathically probed by MM during OWAW.

He also mind-swapped Bizarro and Superman. then laid traps to prevent MM from finding out who did it.

He also reprogrammed Doomsday into attacking Imperiex probes, and ignoring Superman...which in itself is a pretty high end feat.

He also mind controlled all of Superman's rogues and had them fight Superman.

While controlling Bizarro and Silver Banshee, he was able to temporarily grant them enough sanity to enable them to communicate and form plans.

He was able to give Superman the equivalent of a stroke, for example, by telekinetically pinching blood vessels in Superman's brain.

Do you happen to have these scans? they would be very useful, as i am a HUGE fan of manchester black.

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#17  Edited By evilvegeta74

@CalebHara said:

@OmgOmgWtfWtf said:

@CadenceV2: @evilvegeta74: @CalebHara:

Thanks for these, it is greatly appreciated.

@OmgOmgWtfWtf said:

@Sideslash:

He protected Luthor from being telepathically probed by MM during OWAW.

He also mind-swapped Bizarro and Superman. then laid traps to prevent MM from finding out who did it.

He also reprogrammed Doomsday into attacking Imperiex probes, and ignoring Superman...which in itself is a pretty high end feat.

He also mind controlled all of Superman's rogues and had them fight Superman.

While controlling Bizarro and Silver Banshee, he was able to temporarily grant them enough sanity to enable them to communicate and form plans.

He was able to give Superman the equivalent of a stroke, for example, by telekinetically pinching blood vessels in Superman's brain.

Do you happen to have these scans? they would be very useful, as i am a HUGE fan of manchester black.

I'd like to see them too.

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#18  Edited By OmgOmgWtfWtf

@CadenceV2: @CalebHara: @evilvegeta74: I don't have the other two involving Lex and Silver Banshee, but you can go to the request image thread and someone can probably hook you up.

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#19  Edited By evilvegeta74

Manchester is something serious!

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#20  Edited By Roddy010

Yes he is these are some awesome feats. But I still think Jean wins.

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#21  Edited By monarch_prime

Manchester Black.

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#22  Edited By BMEZY

I will have to go with Jean. Manchester Black is pretty impressive, but even without Phoenix, Jean is simply more powerful psionic. Jean was able to withstand a direct blast of a wild Binary and protect herself from the wild energies of Binarys power source while in Hyperspace. Jean can can manipulate seperate pieces of matter equaling a total weight of 50 tons.

At the height of her power Xavier was afraid to enter her mind for fear of his being turned to ash. Jean can also use her tk and tp simultaneously and has done so on many occasions. An example you ask, telekinetically working on a molecular level to keep a nano-bomb from expanding thus detonating, while deadening Cyclops pain centers and "jamming" the psychic equivalent of an encyclopedias worth of information into Cecelia Reyes' mind, all three of these actions where done at the same time.

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Does Jean grey Have Phoenix force?

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Jean puts up a good fight, but Manchester Black wins. Definitely not a stomp. My reasons:

When the Elite are fighting Superman, and Superman has taken down the Hat and Menagerie, MB tells Coldcast that he's going to gravity-slam the planet. Admittedly, it's a moon of Jupiter, but that's still an impressively high level of telekinetic force that I think could match Jean's. He was also able to mass control supervillains to go after Superman, and even temporarily make the crazy ones sane to make them operate better. He downloaded the Kryptonian language into Silver Banshee's mind to make her more lethal to Superman. While mass-controlling the supervillains, he was still able to maintain a high level illusion in Lex Luthor's mind. (The illusion in question was of a file folder providing documented proof of Superman's secret identity).

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manchester black wins not easy but he dose win after a tough fight

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Chester's got this.

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@lordofallhumans I'm torn on this one but I know you can shed the light. Thoughts on Jean's chances here?

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@thunderbolt30: I think Jean can take him. In character does not limit her. In character Jean is a hero and he is a villain, all that means is he will risk casualties and she won't. In character Jean has killed plenty of people humans and mutants alike. Just ask Prisim, Meme, and the humans that Infectia turned into monsters. In character she intended to kill both Sebastian Shaw and Maddie just because she was pissed. She had mind raped entire towns and left the frozen and basically said she wasn't going to unfreeze them ever because they tried to kill a mutant she was recruiting. She can rewrite souls to the point if them not being recognized by people that watched her do it and knew her intent, it even fooled electronic scanners to hide mutant powers. Apocalypse said that she had the same powers as Phoenix naturally but debated on whether or not to help her unlock it during Xforce. She can travel through hyper space without the Phoenix and proved to be more powerful than Binary (Warbird alone is a planet buster). Both Onslaught and Gamemaster want through great lengths to either bring her to their side or neutralize her because she was a threat to their plans. She has mind raped Juggernaut, Emma in diamond form and Magneto without effort. She is the only telepath that Sabertooth admits can effect his mind, and she stomped him without effort on two occasions. She can steal a body if she wants regardless of how powerful a telepath that body is. She has traveled to the brink of death and brought back several Xmen in the past. She is more powerful than her incredibly powerful yet underrated daughter. She can hide herself from both Nate and Maddie, and is one of few mutants that the abstracts deem worthy enough to speak to directly more than once about the same thing. Jean as a mutant frightened them because she represents the beginning of their end.

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#29  Edited By THUNDERBOLT30

@lordofallhumans: Thanks. I love how you bring that truth on Jean :-). I think she would take majority here. Her raw power and skill sounds more impressive.

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Manchester Black

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Black swaps Jean's mind with a paralysed person (maybe locked in syndrome or something) and then lets the paralysed person walk run and use extremely powerful TK and TP (once they get experienced that is) and then win win... disabled person is no longer disabled and Jean is beaten (or Manchester TP's the other person)

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@darkseid1006: Jean has already proven that her powers follow her mind when she took possession of Emma's body and gave it tk. So this tactic won't do anything. Not to mention she won't just allow him to just this. She is an extremely powerful and skilled telepath, he will have to fight to pull something like that off, and I honestly don't see that happening. If she unleashes her full power she can bust through all his defenses and turn his thoughts to ash.

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Jean still wins.

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@thunderbolt30: I think Jean can take him. In character does not limit her. In character Jean is a hero and he is a villain, all that means is he will risk casualties and she won't. In character Jean has killed plenty of people humans and mutants alike. Just ask Prisim, Meme, and the humans that Infectia turned into monsters. In character she intended to kill both Sebastian Shaw and Maddie just because she was pissed. She had mind raped entire towns and left the frozen and basically said she wasn't going to unfreeze them ever because they tried to kill a mutant she was recruiting. She can rewrite souls to the point if them not being recognized by people that watched her do it and knew her intent, it even fooled electronic scanners to hide mutant powers. Apocalypse said that she had the same powers as Phoenix naturally but debated on whether or not to help her unlock it during Xforce. She can travel through hyper space without the Phoenix and proved to be more powerful than Binary (Warbird alone is a planet buster). Both Onslaught and Gamemaster want through great lengths to either bring her to their side or neutralize her because she was a threat to their plans. She has mind raped Juggernaut, Emma in diamond form and Magneto without effort. She is the only telepath that Sabertooth admits can effect his mind, and she stomped him without effort on two occasions. She can steal a body if she wants regardless of how powerful a telepath that body is. She has traveled to the brink of death and brought back several Xmen in the past. She is more powerful than her incredibly powerful yet underrated daughter. She can hide herself from both Nate and Maddie, and is one of few mutants that the abstracts deem worthy enough to speak to directly more than once about the same thing. Jean as a mutant frightened them because she represents the beginning of their end.

what issue was it that she faced off with binary again?

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@martinceld: Binarys powers and their source ( a white hole) became unstable because she was been influenced by a techno- hive mind called Inciters. Jean chased her through hyperspace to the white hole. Binary was bloodlusted and tapping the full power of the white hole. She blasted Jean at close range, Jean Shielded and then mind raped her into submission. At the end Binary was unconscious and contained in a tk bubble with Jean.

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@iceprince_x: exactly, the in-character jean would lose due to this. Although she is much more powerful than MB, she has the mental blocks from PX, and she is also very unsure of herself in battle. This is probably the closes dc vs marvel fight ever and I love both characters a lot .

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manchester stomps

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close fight

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Jean Grey for all the reasons mentioned above.

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chesters more relentlessly brutal with his brain i think this would give him the edge

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even young jean grey will stomp black, feat wise.

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Not sure what level Jean is NOW, but Black wins on average.