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Rules:

- Tony is in his first, Pre-upgrade suit and has access to his mission control support

- Tony is not allowed to fly above the height of any of the larger buildings

- Tony is morals on

- Mallen is bloodlusted

- No prep

- Combatants start 200 metres apart

- Win via KO, Kill or Incapacitation

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#2 Posted by laflux (24720 posts) - - Show Bio

Ultimate Iron Man should win Imo

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@comicstooge I'm a little offended you didn't tag me for this, CS. And here I thought we were pals! *sobs*

Anyway, onto the matchup: I think Ultimate Iron Man stands a good chance of winning this...if he plays it smart.

Obviously the first obstacle that 1610-Tony has to overcome is the ground speed advantage that Mallen possesses. Mallen was able to move faster than the Secretary armor could even react, and if Ultimate Iron Man engages him on the ground in close-range like 616 Tony, he's screwed. But here's the thing: both combatants start out at over 200 meters apart. Given the distance, and the fact that he's not in visual range of Mallen, Ultimate Iron Man will most-likely hit the air. Flight grants him greater maneuverability, and it also allows him a bird's eye view of the battlefield to find his opponent. He's hardly going to run on foot, or wait for Mallen to come to him. Meaning that it's definitely more in-character for Ultimate Iron Man to go aerial, where he has the terrain advantage, at the first opportunity.

And Mallen has never shown any great leaping abilities (beyond one panel where we don't even see how high he leaps). Far as we know, his reflexes and movement speed are only effective when he's on a flat surface. The only option he would have against an airborne Iron Man would be to rush to a building's roof and then attack from there - but even that tactic isn't foolproof. In 616-Tony's first encounter with Mallen, he wanted to personally apprehend him, which was why he went into close-range. Presumably because 616-Tony felt a personal responsibility to take Mallen in (he goes deeper into detail about this in the last two issues of the Extremis arc). But Ultimate Iron Man has no such compunctions, and would happily stay in the air, outside of Mallen's engagement range, and just bombard him with weapons. Even with the 'tallest building ceiling" - Tony can still maintain a good height from Mallen.

If Ultimate Iron Man stays in the air, Mallen's long-range attacks like his lightning/fire-breath will be useless, because they were never shown to have impressive range. Mallen could improvise by throwing cars or debris, but those are inaccurate projectiles at best. Even if he tries to rush into a building, there's no way Tony can't detect him in time (radar, x-ray, thermals, motion-detectors are all there in the suit) and just blow the building up instead. What this means is that with Tony outside of the melee range, Mallen's combat options are severely limited. He can't outpace Tony or crush his suit. His means of attacking an airborne Ultimate Iron Man would all be unwieldy and questionable in effectiveness. In contrast...

...Ultimate Iron Man can do plenty to hurt Mallen. Yes, Mallen has impressive ground speed, but that doesn't mean he'll be able to outrun every single attack. As we've seen in Ultimate War, Iron Man's armor is more than capable of pouring repulsor fire out at huge volumes. Adding to the fact is that unlike 616 Tony (whose repulsors are kinetic force), Ultimate Iron Man's beams can vaporize flesh and walls instantaneously. Would it vaporize Mallen? It's unlikely. But it'll definitely hurt. Tony could also turn his repulsors onto the large buildings in the area, creating thousands of tons of falling debris that could very well Incap Mallen. And even if Mallen tries to retreat from the attacks for a moment, Tony's suit should be more than capable of keeping up, seeing as how its thrusters are able to both achieve escape velocity and catch up to the Silver Herald.

Now I know that Ultimate Iron Man is morals-on here, but remember - he's coming into this battle with the full-knowledge that he's getting into a fight. And a bloodlusted Mallen isn't going to hold back - he's gonna go all-out from the start. He's going to be angry, and speeding at Tony, and tanking all the repulsor shots. He's going to show off the extent of his powers. And Ultimate Tony is going to quickly learn that this isn't an opponent that he can hold back on. He doesn't want to kill Mallen because he's morals-on....but Tony is smart enough to realize pretty quickly that he can't afford to worry about Mallen dying either. I don't think Ultimate Iron Man is gonna pull his punches here - self-preservation and instinct should pretty much tell Tony that he needs to fight hard.

Another point to bring up is bloodlusted Mallen. Now one might thing that it's an advantage on the enhancile's part - but remember, Mallen's hardly a seasoned combatant in the first place. He uses brute force to overwhelm opponents, and doesn't fight smart. A bloodlusted Mallen just means that he isn't going to be thinking straight, or using his powers to their full effectiveness. Compare that to Ultimate Tony, who has clearly shown - time and time again - that he can think on his feet, and improvise strategies to take down superior foes. Just look at Ultimate Human alone, where Tony was able to solo the Ultimate Hulk by improvisation and intelligence. There's no question that Ultimate Iron Man will be able to find a way to win this.

TL;DR - Ultimate Iron Man should take a majority if he plays it smart.

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@veshark said:

@comicstooge I'm a little offended you didn't tag me for this, CS. And here I thought we were pals! *sobs*

Anyway, onto the matchup: I think Ultimate Iron Man stands a good chance of winning this...if he plays it smart.

Obviously the first obstacle that 1610-Tony has to overcome is the ground speed advantage that Mallen possesses. Mallen was able to move faster than the Secretary armor could even react, and if Ultimate Iron Man engages him on the ground in close-range like 616 Tony, he's screwed. But here's the thing: both combatants start out at over 200 meters apart. Given the distance, and the fact that he's not in visual range of Mallen, Ultimate Iron Man will most-likely hit the air. Flight grants him greater maneuverability, and it also allows him a bird's eye view of the battlefield to find his opponent. He's hardly going to run on foot, or wait for Mallen to come to him. Meaning that it's definitely more in-character for Ultimate Iron Man to go aerial, where he has the terrain advantage, at the first opportunity.

And Mallen has never shown any great leaping abilities (beyond one panel where we don't even see how high he leaps). Far as we know, his reflexes and movement speed are only effective when he's on a flat surface. The only option he would have against an airborne Iron Man would be to rush to a building's roof and then attack from there - but even that tactic isn't foolproof. In 616-Tony's first encounter with Mallen, he wanted to personally apprehend him, which was why he went into close-range. Presumably because 616-Tony felt a personal responsibility to take Mallen in (he goes deeper into detail about this in the last two issues of the Extremis arc). But Ultimate Iron Man has no such compunctions, and would happily stay in the air, outside of Mallen's engagement range, and just bombard him with weapons. Even with the 'tallest building ceiling" - Tony can still maintain a good height from Mallen.

If Ultimate Iron Man stays in the air, Mallen's long-range attacks like his lightning/fire-breath will be useless, because they were never shown to have impressive range. Mallen could improvise by throwing cars or debris, but those are inaccurate projectiles at best. Even if he tries to rush into a building, there's no way Tony can't detect him in time (radar, x-ray, thermals, motion-detectors are all there in the suit) and just blow the building up instead. What this means is that with Tony outside of the melee range, Mallen's combat options are severely limited. He can't outpace Tony or crush his suit. His means of attacking an airborne Ultimate Iron Man would all be unwieldy and questionable in effectiveness. In contrast...

...Ultimate Iron Man can do plenty to hurt Mallen. Yes, Mallen has impressive ground speed, but that doesn't mean he'll be able to outrun every single attack. As we've seen in Ultimate War, Iron Man's armor is more than capable of pouring repulsor fire out at huge volumes. Adding to the fact is that unlike 616 Tony (whose repulsors are kinetic force), Ultimate Iron Man's beams can vaporize flesh and walls instantaneously. Would it vaporize Mallen? It's unlikely. But it'll definitely hurt. Tony could also turn his repulsors onto the large buildings in the area, creating thousands of tons of falling debris that could very well Incap Mallen. And even if Mallen tries to retreat from the attacks for a moment, Tony's suit should be more than capable of keeping up, seeing as how its thrusters are able to both achieve escape velocity and catch up to the Silver Herald.

Now I know that Ultimate Iron Man is morals-on here, but remember - he's coming into this battle with the full-knowledge that he's getting into a fight. And a bloodlusted Mallen isn't going to hold back - he's gonna go all-out from the start. He's going to be angry, and speeding at Tony, and tanking all the repulsor shots. He's going to show off the extent of his powers. And Ultimate Tony is going to quickly learn that this isn't an opponent that he can hold back on. He doesn't want to kill Mallen because he's morals-on....but Tony is smart enough to realize pretty quickly that he can't afford to worry about Mallen dying either. I don't think Ultimate Iron Man is gonna pull his punches here - self-preservation and instinct should pretty much tell Tony that he needs to fight hard.

Another point to bring up is bloodlusted Mallen. Now one might thing that it's an advantage on the enhancile's part - but remember, Mallen's hardly a seasoned combatant in the first place. He uses brute force to overwhelm opponents, and doesn't fight smart. A bloodlusted Mallen just means that he isn't going to be thinking straight, or using his powers to their full effectiveness. Compare that to Ultimate Tony, who has clearly shown - time and time again - that he can think on his feet, and improvise strategies to take down superior foes. Just look at Ultimate Human alone, where Tony was able to solo the Ultimate Hulk by improvisation and intelligence. There's no question that Ultimate Iron Man will be able to find a way to win this.

TL;DR - Ultimate Iron Man should take a majority if he plays it smart.

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@veshark said:

@comicstooge I'm a little offended you didn't tag me for this, CS. And here I thought we were pals! *sobs*

Anyway, onto the matchup: I think Ultimate Iron Man stands a good chance of winning this...if he plays it smart.

Obviously the first obstacle that 1610-Tony has to overcome is the ground speed advantage that Mallen possesses. Mallen was able to move faster than the Secretary armor could even react, and if Ultimate Iron Man engages him on the ground in close-range like 616 Tony, he's screwed. But here's the thing: both combatants start out at over 200 meters apart. Given the distance, and the fact that he's not in visual range of Mallen, Ultimate Iron Man will most-likely hit the air. Flight grants him greater maneuverability, and it also allows him a bird's eye view of the battlefield to find his opponent. He's hardly going to run on foot, or wait for Mallen to come to him. Meaning that it's definitely more in-character for Ultimate Iron Man to go aerial, where he has the terrain advantage, at the first opportunity.

And Mallen has never shown any great leaping abilities (beyond one panel where we don't even see how high he leaps). Far as we know, his reflexes and movement speed are only effective when he's on a flat surface. The only option he would have against an airborne Iron Man would be to rush to a building's roof and then attack from there - but even that tactic isn't foolproof. In 616-Tony's first encounter with Mallen, he wanted to personally apprehend him, which was why he went into close-range. Presumably because 616-Tony felt a personal responsibility to take Mallen in (he goes deeper into detail about this in the last two issues of the Extremis arc). But Ultimate Iron Man has no such compunctions, and would happily stay in the air, outside of Mallen's engagement range, and just bombard him with weapons. Even with the 'tallest building ceiling" - Tony can still maintain a good height from Mallen.

If Ultimate Iron Man stays in the air, Mallen's long-range attacks like his lightning/fire-breath will be useless, because they were never shown to have impressive range. Mallen could improvise by throwing cars or debris, but those are inaccurate projectiles at best. Even if he tries to rush into a building, there's no way Tony can't detect him in time (radar, x-ray, thermals, motion-detectors are all there in the suit) and just blow the building up instead. What this means is that with Tony outside of the melee range, Mallen's combat options are severely limited. He can't outpace Tony or crush his suit. His means of attacking an airborne Ultimate Iron Man would all be unwieldy and questionable in effectiveness. In contrast...

...Ultimate Iron Man can do plenty to hurt Mallen. Yes, Mallen has impressive ground speed, but that doesn't mean he'll be able to outrun every single attack. As we've seen in Ultimate War, Iron Man's armor is more than capable of pouring repulsor fire out at huge volumes. Adding to the fact is that unlike 616 Tony (whose repulsors are kinetic force), Ultimate Iron Man's beams can vaporize flesh and walls instantaneously. Would it vaporize Mallen? It's unlikely. But it'll definitely hurt. Tony could also turn his repulsors onto the large buildings in the area, creating thousands of tons of falling debris that could very well Incap Mallen. And even if Mallen tries to retreat from the attacks for a moment, Tony's suit should be more than capable of keeping up, seeing as how its thrusters are able to both achieve escape velocity and catch up to the Silver Herald.

Now I know that Ultimate Iron Man is morals-on here, but remember - he's coming into this battle with the full-knowledge that he's getting into a fight. And a bloodlusted Mallen isn't going to hold back - he's gonna go all-out from the start. He's going to be angry, and speeding at Tony, and tanking all the repulsor shots. He's going to show off the extent of his powers. And Ultimate Tony is going to quickly learn that this isn't an opponent that he can hold back on. He doesn't want to kill Mallen because he's morals-on....but Tony is smart enough to realize pretty quickly that he can't afford to worry about Mallen dying either. I don't think Ultimate Iron Man is gonna pull his punches here - self-preservation and instinct should pretty much tell Tony that he needs to fight hard.

Another point to bring up is bloodlusted Mallen. Now one might thing that it's an advantage on the enhancile's part - but remember, Mallen's hardly a seasoned combatant in the first place. He uses brute force to overwhelm opponents, and doesn't fight smart. A bloodlusted Mallen just means that he isn't going to be thinking straight, or using his powers to their full effectiveness. Compare that to Ultimate Tony, who has clearly shown - time and time again - that he can think on his feet, and improvise strategies to take down superior foes. Just look at Ultimate Human alone, where Tony was able to solo the Ultimate Hulk by improvisation and intelligence. There's no question that Ultimate Iron Man will be able to find a way to win this.

TL;DR - Ultimate Iron Man should take a majority if he plays it smart.

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