Makima vs Shigaraki

She Who Controls

He Who Destroys

Round 1

• Makima has what she had when fighting Chainsawman
• Shigiraki is as he was when fighting Star and Stripes

Round 2

• Both have a month of prep and full knowledge

The Control Devil vs One For All's successor, who wins?

Shigaraki keeps blitzing, not sure how he kills her though.

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keeps blitzing? she can turn intangible and he has to kill her the same amount of time as there are people in Japan, like 125 million people.

for istance:

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her power ignores durability, she either looks at him and all his organs get destroyed from the inside:

or she points at him and he gets blown to bits:

• or she simply blasts him into space:

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not counting the power of the other devils she has, she can age him to nothing with the power of the angel devil or splat him with gravity and so on.

Makima solo the verse

@delein said:

@lameliarleo said:

Shigaraki keeps blitzing, not sure how he kills her though.

keeps blitzing? she can turn intangible and he has to kill her the same amount of time as there are people in Japan, like 125 million people.

for istance:

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her power ignores durability, she either looks at him and all his organs get destroyed from the inside:

or she points at him and he gets blown to bits:

• or she simply blasts him into space:

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not counting the power of the other devils she has, she can age him to nothing with the power of the angel devil or splat him with gravity and so on.

He still blitzes, he just can't kill her and she will eventually hax him

@lameliarleo: I meant to say the exact same thing. The fact that she can use spider devil to turn intangible will simply sped up things.

Makima stomps badly even prime All might would lose

@delein:

I have a few of your claims I'd like to address here

her power ignores durability, she either looks at him and all his organs get destroyed from the inside:

As of recent chapters shigarakis regen is just staggeringly getting more and more ridiculous to the point where we have recently seen him get exploded from the inside to an extent where his entire body puffs out like a grotesque skin balloon but he is still alive even though the attack that caused this continuously doing internal damage to not just his body but his quirks

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∧∧ Considering the fact that he is currently survived this level of continuous internal damage happening(due to his quirks rupturing from the inside of his body) her attack should be pretty trivial to him

The second thing I want to address is makimas finger blast gun. In the first scan you posted I'm getting the impression that you are implying the attack ignores durability(Correct me if I'm wrong though) which I don't think is the case considering the fact in the first scan its being used on someone with very poor durability and when we see this same attack used again on someone with much better durability(Hero of hell Chainsaw man) it isn't ignoring his durability and just acting as an invisible force violently hitting him so I fell its more accurate description of what it does. Its just an invisible blast of force which shigaraki has the durability to tank

finally I want to address the "Hitting him into space" Argument. He's just likely going to counteract her attempt to knock him into space with the force of her Bang gun by using Air canon in the opposite direction to push himself against the upwards force

Makima solos the verse with ease

@uncannyrewind: Not gonna quote the whole thing else it becomes a mess, gonna quote your points.

1) "As of recent chapters shigarakis regen is just staggeringly getting more and more ridiculous to the point where we have recently seen him get exploded from the inside to an extent where his entire body puffs out like a grotesque skin balloon but he is still alive even though the attack that caused this continuously doing internal damage to not just his body but his quirks"

haven't read this week's chapter yet (read the spoilers a few days ago), I'm assuming she used New Order to mess him up from the inside after he got her quirk. Your point stands correct then about him being able to regen from this:

2)" The second thing I want to address is makimas finger blast gun. In the first scan you posted I'm getting the impression that you are implying the attack ignores durability(Correct me if I'm wrong though) which I don't think is the case considering the fact in the first scan its being used on someone with very poor durability and when we see this same attack used again on someone with much better durability(Hero of hell Chainsaw man) it isn't ignoring his durability and just acting as an invisible force violently hitting him so I fell its more accurate description of what it does. Its just an invisible blast of force which shigaraki has the durability to tank"

Didn't mean that it ignores durability, if that was the case, Denji/Chainsaw Man would have been obliterated instead of getting hit time after time and ending up in space. Just wanted to show how her power works.

she can turn intangible, get up an elevated place and make a sacrifice, the latter speaks the name of Shiggy and Tomura and the target become like this:

dont know if he could returns from something like this.

3) "finally I want to address the "Hitting him into space" Argument. He's just likely going to counteract her attempt to knock him into space with the force of herBang gunby usingAir canonin the opposite direction to push himself against the upwards force"

she can use the Angel devil together with her "Finger Gun" (dont know if it has an official name), she can make a contract by "spending years", to blast him away. 1000 years where already enough to heavily harm denji:

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and she can use a lot more years than 1000 due to her contract with the Prime Minister.

after addressing this, I'll address for istance some other points:

1) if she wants she can simply go intangible with the Spider Devil or send him to Hell and then let him summon her once Shiggy is near, the latter gets dumped in hell and she simply returns back.

2) the already mentioned Angel Devil (AD) can age Shiggy if he gets closer to decay her, while he decays her (random japanese people start to decay) she can use the angel devil at the same time to age him and kill him. It takes a bit but she can do it multiple times due to how much spare lives to use she has. other than spamming attacks by sacrificing age by making contract with the AD.

3) Future devil would allow her to see the future, given her precognition and allowing her in combo with intangibility to never get hit.

she can turn intangible and see the future, Shiggy would have to kill her the same number of times there are people in Japan. Posted some of her abilities above.

I didn't know she was so powerful.

Is her "bang" telekinesis sorta like Vegeta and Frieza?

@kasya_carey: she can control various devils due to her being the Control Devil.

• due to her contract wit the prime minister if she gets killed a random civilian dies.

"As a result of her contract with the Prime Minister, any fatal damage inflicted to Makima is transferred into an appropriate illness or ailment affecting a random citizen of Japan. She was shown to have been shot in the back of the head and seemingly killed, only to stand up later with no visible wounds"

• due to having control over the Future Devil, the latter can do two things:

either put her head inside the Future Devil and see her future.

or make a contract with him, sacrifice half her lifespan (it would mean half the lifespan of a civilian, for istance she uses another demon who bases his contract on age and sacrifices civilians) and gain the ability to see a few seconds into the future.

• Spider Devil allows her to :

climb on walls, turn intangible and dimensional travel for istance to hell, she could use it as a mean of bfr/dimensional dumping

• angel devil allows her 2 things:

if the angel devil touches the target even for a second he already loses months of his lifespan, a longer period of time would kill the target.

she can spend yeard to make a contract. the more years she spends (she used 1000 for istance) the more power she gets as a result.

• she can get on a high place, make a sacrifice. The latter says the name of the target and both the sacrifice and the named one gets splatted on the ground
• she can use "TK" to either use it as finger gun to blast her target or she can look at her target and make them destroy from the inside (posted the scan above).

there are various other things, this are examples.

@delein:

Didn't mean that it ignores durability, if that was the case, Denji/Chainsaw Man would have been obliterated instead of getting hit time after time and ending up in space. Just wanted to show how her power works.

Thanks for the clarification, I was a bit confused.

she can turn intangible, get up an elevated place and make a sacrifice, the latter speaks the name of Shiggy and Tomura and the target become like this:

I don't really know if its valid of using her sacrifice stuff feats because it seemingly has of very specific requirements and has only been used in that instance where all the variables were available. If it was something she could set up on the fly while in the heat of battle with a guy like shigaraki(who would likely be turning most people in the vicinity to dust) I think she would have used it more often but since we never got an explanation we don't know if she requires stuff like that specific shrine location she went to do it at(or just generally a shrine like that), Blindfolded but willing other people around etc. It's very vague and only used in that instance so I don't think its just something she can pull off by sacrificing any one of the random people she controls at any location while in the heat of battle, if it were I believe she would have used it beyond that one time where she had prep time to get everything together.

I'm not really sure on who wins the battle since its been a while since I read chainsaw man, I'm just giving my thoughts on certain things I do remember + with my knowledge on current MHA

@uncannyrewind: of course, she needs set up for that specific kind of "sacrifice attack". What I meant is that due to Spider Devil's abilities she can get out of the battle and use prep. It isnt in character, if she can use her full arsenal she could use it as an option. Thing is that Shiggy would die eventually, his regen is insane on characters of his level but Makima's resurrection will simply outlast him. The fact that she can use future sight for istance along with Spider Devil to never get hit.

Makima solos the verse.

They will stalemate with each other like Makima vs Gojo until EoS Tomura.

shigaraki blitzes and decays her 100M times

Fodder gets one shotted

Isn't Makima scaled to Gojo?

@riptoadinosaur: no, different verse dude 😂

@futureisbest said:

Fodder gets one shotted

Those bullets are obviously faster than Aoyama's attack that is light speed. /ˢ

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/satoru-gojo-vs-makima-2115796/

Ik but I only said that because Gojo is a character who would easily solo the MHA verse and people scaled Makima to Gojo or a bit weaker or stronger.

Makima stomps. She has multiple ways to bypass his regen and he's a statue to her.

@azrael1973 said:

Makima solos the verse

Makima solo the verse with negative dufficulty

Mha wanker :

Mineta solos the verse.

shigaraki solos the verse

Stop. Makima does him

@deyyy: please tell me how

He can't kill her due to her pseudo immortality. Makima has hax that will work on him but because she doesn't wanna waste time with fodder she just bfr's him to space.

@deyyy: shigaraki is much faster and can just decay her, immortality is useless

Makima was able to activate her ability before the gun devils bullets reach her plus she was also able to perceive this said gun devils bullets who cross 500km in a second... i doubt he's faster plus on top of that she has precog due to the future devil so no blitzing for foddershiggy sadly. Plus Shiggy has no feats for me to assume that Makima's passive mind control wouldn't work on him (everyone she views below her its under her command literally).

immortality is useless

Bro what? her pseudo immortality works as every damage dealt to her will be passed onto someone else... so shiggy decaying her = shiggy decaying a normal civilian in Japan.

makima solos the verse.

@deyyy: 500km? shigaraki uses radio waves which are light-speed

@legend9384 said:

@deyyy: 500km? shigaraki uses radio waves which are light-speed

Cool? he doesn't scale to the Radio waves speed. Plus this attack will do nothing to Makima.

@deyyy: how doesnt he scale to the radio wves speed?

Show him dodging or moving as fast as this said waves.

Just throwing it out there Shigaraki needs to be vaporized to be killed, attacking his insides won’t tax his regen.

He doesn't move at that level or scale to characters that do. But you could say he has a "light-speed" attack, but that's where that ends.

And yeah, you'd either need to vaporize or sufficiently destroy Shigaraki's head.

This is a mismatch cause shigaraki stomps her so hard that it ain't even funny anymore then proceed to solo her verse