@shizzydebater: He should be able to genjutsu her which would be incapacitated without him having to bypass the amount of lives she has. He also could use the Human path to specifically extract her soul but I’m not sure if that a Japanese citizen’s soul would enter her body instead to be extracted. But considering she’s only in the low triple Mach speeds at best from what I’ve seen, Madara isn’t getting tagged.
@shizzydebater:Speed. Makima is only around Mach 500. Kid Madara is Far faster then Kakashi. Genjutsu also is a WinCon. Anything Makina can do would be tracked by the Sharingan and dodged. Once Madara figures out Makina is Immortal. He genjutsus. It gets even Worse if Makima goes H2H with him.
@xebec: do you even understand how Denji was sent to space? He was already accelerated upward by Reze and was thrown even further by the Spear hybrid, all of those factors helped Makima, she delivered 4 bangs. This is a very situational circumstance.
@pizzagod342: Makima isn’t Mach 500, she doesn’t scale anywhere near the gun devil in speed.
Gun Devil doesn't even have travel speed, it just sprouts somewhere out of nowhere then shoots. The verse's only speed feat is Kobeni breaking the sound barrier, which makes Makima at around mach 5-25.
@pizzagod342: Makima isn’t Mach 500, she doesn’t scale anywhere near the gun devil in speed.
Gun Devil doesn't even have travel speed, it just sprouts somewhere out of nowhere then shoots. The verse's only speed feat is Kobeni breaking the sound barrier, which makes Makima at around mach 5-25.
Uh bro. The Gun Devil's movements across the world was all travel speed. Or did you miss the part where they tell us it moved so fast that it's flesh burned off. Also Kebeni does not have the only speed feat, are you even reading the manga? We have people like Quanxi too, who can literally travel a good distance and kill dozens of enemies at the same time without anybody being able to react.
Gun Devil is objectively faster than anything in Naruto. Not ambiguous beam dodging. I mean actual movement of body feats. Heck Naruto characters aren't even fast enough to get to objectives within the same country quickly and you think they are comparable to something that can cross multiple continents in seconds? The Naruto wank is out of control. This is from someone that absolutely loves Naruto (check my comment history).
So how is this bullet level character beating Madara in a fight?
Again another person who clearly doesn't read the manga. It's like asking why someone like Superman sometimes just tanks bullets. These scenes are in the manga for a reason.
Also to just get ahead of the stupid comparison's I'm sure will try to be made based on the name. The Gun Devil's guns are not comparable to real guns. They are clearly insanely faster and far more destructive (at only 20% at that).
Anybody stupid enough to make such a comparison. Need I remind you that in DBS we had someone in the universal tournament that was seen as impressive because he was made out of iron.
What something is named after or is composed of does not denote to how powerful it is. Otherwise there are far more durable and powerful materials than flesh and bone, yet you don't see us thinking Groot is more durable than Thor.
This is a verse where concepts are given power and far more power than the actual physical concept. So I can only imagine how powerful the Nuclear Bombs devil was that Chainsaw Man erased as a concept.
Gun Devil is objectively faster than anything in Naruto. Not ambiguous beam dodging. I mean actual movement of body feats. Heck Naruto characters aren't even fast enough to get to objectives within the same country quickly and you think they are comparable to something that can cross multiple continents in seconds? The Naruto wank is out of control. This is from someone that absolutely loves Naruto (check my comment history).
Maybe in travel speed , in combat speed characters way below Hokage Kakashi fire speed of Light elemental jutsus , you still attempt to decieve via "muh I love Naruto" but that doesn't work here , there is no way some double digit mach speeds are compareable in speed to a verse that thows around speed of light statements without any problem.
secondly , Naruto God tiers are pushing Chibaku tensei ( the weakest we saw was island sized ) at thousands of mach speed to cross multiple countries in seconds , they aren't slower then some fodder like Chainsaw man.
@estrelladeleon: It’s also worth noting that Makima’s tendency to not dodge means we don’t even know if she can react to the GD since it shot her before she could even attack.
@joker5000: You telling me the white zetsu that can dodge Edo Mintatos attack, and be faster then both Minato and Kakashi gonna have trouble with Makima?
Look, I'm not even trying to give Makima the W over Madara. I just don't like when people downplay an entire verse without taking into note that the characters in the verse vary wildly in power levels and that the weaker characters can stand against the stronger ones due to hax abilities.
Madara is faster than Makima. Period. I'm not disagreeing with people. I just want people to not drag the entire verse to try and make a point.
Makima does not have any noteworthy speed feats and she abuses her contract with the Japanese PM, so she doesn't even care about being hit.
One thing I'd say though, is that it'd be hella disrespectful to say that Madara's genjutsu is above the concept of control itself. I don't think either of them should be given the ability to mind control or hax the other. This would come down to their other abilities and I don't think Makima ever had control of the most powerful options she'd have available to her here, Hell and Doll (I'm sure I'm missing some). So Madara gets the W.
@kingogkings777: When did a white zetsu dodge Minato and outpace Kakashi? Also even then does it make any sense to you that white zetsu are faster than Minato yet didn’t stomp the shinobi alliance?
Also what are their feats in terms of raw physicals.
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