"And even this Hulk wouldn't be as strong as Kingdom Come Superman, who Gog man-handled.again, where is juggernaut hurt?
"
Magog vs Juggernaut
"Alpha said:Have it. And as the fight continued the backlash happened. What does that have to do with this punch?"the human Juggernaut said:then you clearly didn't read the issue. Read it and come back.""Alpha said:The backlash happened later and knocked him out. I'm just showing what a punch has done. And this is a weak Hulk compared to the classic in my opinion.""the human Juggernaut said:psychic backlash AKA plot device. It would be good if you read the issues you post scans from.""Alpha said:"Midnightist said:comeon alpha, not again... you know hulk has never done damange to a fully powered juggernaut...""Alpha said:Wow! Even though the Hulk has done damage in the past.""Midnightist said:maybe not stronger but equal and even so his durability to me surpasses Kingdom Come Superman's ability to due damage""Alpha said:"Midnightist said:okay well I still think Juggernaut will have the upper hand due to his strength and invunerability ""Juggernaut Magog is very powerful but depending on which one your talking about Juggernaut's invunerability and immoveability surpass anything I think the current Magog can release. That don't mean some stuff won't get destroyed but in the end I think Juggernauts comes out the victor "
This is the Magog that recently beat most of the JSA 2gether which included KC Superman who is stronger than current Superman."
You think Juggernaut is stronger than Kingdom Come Superman?"
"
"the human Juggernaut said:then you just proved yourself wrong. All that punch did was take off his helmet."Alpha said:Have it. And as the fight continued the backlash happened. What does that have to do with this punch?""the human Juggernaut said:then you clearly didn't read the issue. Read it and come back.""Alpha said:The backlash happened later and knocked him out. I'm just showing what a punch has done. And this is a weak Hulk compared to the classic in my opinion.""the human Juggernaut said:psychic backlash AKA plot device. It would be good if you read the issues you post scans from.""Alpha said:"Midnightist said:comeon alpha, not again... you know hulk has never done damange to a fully powered juggernaut...""Alpha said:Wow! Even though the Hulk has done damage in the past.""Midnightist said:maybe not stronger but equal and even so his durability to me surpasses Kingdom Come Superman's ability to due damage""Alpha said:"Midnightist said:okay well I still think Juggernaut will have the upper hand due to his strength and invunerability ""Juggernaut Magog is very powerful but depending on which one your talking about Juggernaut's invunerability and immoveability surpass anything I think the current Magog can release. That don't mean some stuff won't get destroyed but in the end I think Juggernauts comes out the victor "
This is the Magog that recently beat most of the JSA 2gether which included KC Superman who is stronger than current Superman."
You think Juggernaut is stronger than Kingdom Come Superman?"
"
"Alpha said:But you miss the point. The writer has the sound effect of pain. Just like the blow WWHulk gave him. Pain means damage. The ;point is that if the Hulk can cause even the slightest pain, then someone who can smack aroubd a character that can beat the current Superman (who is stronger than the Hulk) can cause damage."the human Juggernaut said:then you just proved yourself wrong. All that punch did was take off his helmet.""Alpha said:Have it. And as the fight continued the backlash happened. What does that have to do with this punch?""the human Juggernaut said:then you clearly didn't read the issue. Read it and come back.""Alpha said:The backlash happened later and knocked him out. I'm just showing what a punch has done. And this is a weak Hulk compared to the classic in my opinion.""the human Juggernaut said:psychic backlash AKA plot device. It would be good if you read the issues you post scans from.""Alpha said:"Midnightist said:comeon alpha, not again... you know hulk has never done damange to a fully powered juggernaut...""Alpha said:Wow! Even though the Hulk has done damage in the past.""Midnightist said:maybe not stronger but equal and even so his durability to me surpasses Kingdom Come Superman's ability to due damage""Alpha said:"Midnightist said:okay well I still think Juggernaut will have the upper hand due to his strength and invunerability ""Juggernaut Magog is very powerful but depending on which one your talking about Juggernaut's invunerability and immoveability surpass anything I think the current Magog can release. That don't mean some stuff won't get destroyed but in the end I think Juggernauts comes out the victor "
This is the Magog that recently beat most of the JSA 2gether which included KC Superman who is stronger than current Superman."
You think Juggernaut is stronger than Kingdom Come Superman?"
"
And in the other scan, Juggernaut was beat to a point that he couldn't even get up.
"the human Juggernaut said:Right. So knocking off his helmet in that scan, and him just throwing around a ragdoll who didn't even fight back in the war hulk fight means that juggernaut can now suddenly be hurt. Of course."Alpha said:But you miss the point. The writer has the sound effect of pain. Just like the blow WWHulk gave him. Pain means damage. The ;point is that if the Hulk can cause even the slightest pain, then someone who can smack aroubd a character that can beat the current Superman (who is stronger than the Hulk) can cause damage."the human Juggernaut said:then you just proved yourself wrong. All that punch did was take off his helmet.""Alpha said:Have it. And as the fight continued the backlash happened. What does that have to do with this punch?""the human Juggernaut said:then you clearly didn't read the issue. Read it and come back.""Alpha said:The backlash happened later and knocked him out. I'm just showing what a punch has done. And this is a weak Hulk compared to the classic in my opinion.""the human Juggernaut said:psychic backlash AKA plot device. It would be good if you read the issues you post scans from.""Alpha said:"Midnightist said:comeon alpha, not again... you know hulk has never done damange to a fully powered juggernaut...""Alpha said:Wow! Even though the Hulk has done damage in the past.""Midnightist said:maybe not stronger but equal and even so his durability to me surpasses Kingdom Come Superman's ability to due damage""Alpha said:"Midnightist said:okay well I still think Juggernaut will have the upper hand due to his strength and invunerability ""Juggernaut Magog is very powerful but depending on which one your talking about Juggernaut's invunerability and immoveability surpass anything I think the current Magog can release. That don't mean some stuff won't get destroyed but in the end I think Juggernauts comes out the victor "
This is the Magog that recently beat most of the JSA 2gether which included KC Superman who is stronger than current Superman."
You think Juggernaut is stronger than Kingdom Come Superman?"
"
And in the other scan, Juggernaut was beat to a point that he couldn't even get up.
"
"Alpha said:It amazes me how you go into the river in Eqypt when a case is proven. He did fight back. He was sent there to fight and was beaten senseless."the human Juggernaut said:Right. So knocking off his helmet in that scan, and him just throwing around a ragdoll who didn't even fight back in the war hulk fight means that juggernaut can now suddenly be hurt. Of course.""Alpha said:But you miss the point. The writer has the sound effect of pain. Just like the blow WWHulk gave him. Pain means damage. The ;point is that if the Hulk can cause even the slightest pain, then someone who can smack aroubd a character that can beat the current Superman (who is stronger than the Hulk) can cause damage."the human Juggernaut said:then you just proved yourself wrong. All that punch did was take off his helmet.""Alpha said:Have it. And as the fight continued the backlash happened. What does that have to do with this punch?""the human Juggernaut said:then you clearly didn't read the issue. Read it and come back.""Alpha said:The backlash happened later and knocked him out. I'm just showing what a punch has done. And this is a weak Hulk compared to the classic in my opinion.""the human Juggernaut said:psychic backlash AKA plot device. It would be good if you read the issues you post scans from.""Alpha said:"Midnightist said:comeon alpha, not again... you know hulk has never done damange to a fully powered juggernaut...""Alpha said:Wow! Even though the Hulk has done damage in the past.""Midnightist said:maybe not stronger but equal and even so his durability to me surpasses Kingdom Come Superman's ability to due damage""Alpha said:"Midnightist said:okay well I still think Juggernaut will have the upper hand due to his strength and invunerability ""Juggernaut Magog is very powerful but depending on which one your talking about Juggernaut's invunerability and immoveability surpass anything I think the current Magog can release. That don't mean some stuff won't get destroyed but in the end I think Juggernauts comes out the victor "
This is the Magog that recently beat most of the JSA 2gether which included KC Superman who is stronger than current Superman."
You think Juggernaut is stronger than Kingdom Come Superman?"
"
And in the other scan, Juggernaut was beat to a point that he couldn't even get up.
"
And again, the effect was of pain (UNFFF!)
Same here.
Notice in the second panel the Juggernaut goes (HNGH!)
And the Hulk later goes (HRRRHH!)
Thats's the writer showing that they both hurt the other.
"But if you want to go on feeling that the Juggernaut is completely invincible to physical attacks, go right ahead.
It's no different than those crazy Hulk fans that think the Hulk would grow stronger than anyone and beat them."
I don't know about you, but basing your argument off grunts isn't the best way to go.
"the human Juggernaut said:no, he didn't. After that tentacle threw him threw the air he just became a punching bag. If you actually look at the scan you posted, you can see he is completely unharmed."Alpha said:It amazes me how you go into the river in Eqypt when a case is proven. He did fight back. He was sent there to fight and was beaten senseless."the human Juggernaut said:Right. So knocking off his helmet in that scan, and him just throwing around a ragdoll who didn't even fight back in the war hulk fight means that juggernaut can now suddenly be hurt. Of course.""Alpha said:But you miss the point. The writer has the sound effect of pain. Just like the blow WWHulk gave him. Pain means damage. The ;point is that if the Hulk can cause even the slightest pain, then someone who can smack aroubd a character that can beat the current Superman (who is stronger than the Hulk) can cause damage."the human Juggernaut said:then you just proved yourself wrong. All that punch did was take off his helmet.""Alpha said:Have it. And as the fight continued the backlash happened. What does that have to do with this punch?""the human Juggernaut said:then you clearly didn't read the issue. Read it and come back.""Alpha said:The backlash happened later and knocked him out. I'm just showing what a punch has done. And this is a weak Hulk compared to the classic in my opinion.""the human Juggernaut said:psychic backlash AKA plot device. It would be good if you read the issues you post scans from.""Alpha said:"Midnightist said:comeon alpha, not again... you know hulk has never done damange to a fully powered juggernaut...""Alpha said:Wow! Even though the Hulk has done damage in the past.""Midnightist said:maybe not stronger but equal and even so his durability to me surpasses Kingdom Come Superman's ability to due damage""Alpha said:"Midnightist said:okay well I still think Juggernaut will have the upper hand due to his strength and invunerability ""Juggernaut Magog is very powerful but depending on which one your talking about Juggernaut's invunerability and immoveability surpass anything I think the current Magog can release. That don't mean some stuff won't get destroyed but in the end I think Juggernauts comes out the victor "
This is the Magog that recently beat most of the JSA 2gether which included KC Superman who is stronger than current Superman."
You think Juggernaut is stronger than Kingdom Come Superman?"
"
And in the other scan, Juggernaut was beat to a point that he couldn't even get up.
"
And again, the effect was of pain (UNFFF!)
Same here.
Notice in the second panel the Juggernaut goes (HNGH!)
And the Hulk later goes (HRRRHH!)
Thats's the writer showing that they both hurt the other.
"
He couldn't get up and was about to die until he was teleported away. And if you can look at the pic and think that he is unharmed than you really have on your Juggernaut can''t be beat by anyone glasses on.
This is a waste of time. You really are a fan and a debate can't be done when you can't see pass that.
"Now you're just lying. About to die? how was he about to die??? He never had a scratch oh him.He couldn't get up and was about to die until he was teleported away. And if you can look at the pic and think that he is unharmed than you really have on your Juggernaut can''t be beat by anyone glasses on.
This is a waste of time. You really are a fan and a debate can't be done when you can't see pass that.
"
quit calling the kettle black alpha
"Hulk Koed Juggs backlash or not and Onslaught Koed him as well, but actually thats about all though"psychic backlash=mind attack.(plot device)
"Alpha said:The guy was beaten and the unstoppable was lying down about to be beheaded."And even this Hulk wouldn't be as strong as Kingdom Come Superman, who Gog man-handled.
"
Nice scan. And by nice scan I mean "Way to completely misrepresent the issue"
For all his talk, Warhulk didn't so much as scratch the Juggernaut."
What is there to misrepresent?
"Zoom said:you said he was about to die. That is a pretty massive misrepresentation."Alpha said:The guy was beaten and the unstoppable was lying down about to be beheaded."And even this Hulk wouldn't be as strong as Kingdom Come Superman, who Gog man-handled.
"
Nice scan. And by nice scan I mean "Way to completely misrepresent the issue"
For all his talk, Warhulk didn't so much as scratch the Juggernaut."
What is there to misrepresent?
"
"cant jugg b hurt by magic? and war hulk wasnt he backed up by celest tech?that's not magic.
"
ok but magog and gog don't they have a spear that shoots magic and plus strength could b enough to take out jugg right maybe?
"ok but magog and gog don't they have a spear that shoots magic and plus strength could b enough to take out jugg right maybe?"thor had a hammer that shot magic too. It didn't do anything.
"Alpha said:"Zoom said:you said he was about to die. That is a pretty massive misrepresentation. ""Alpha said:The guy was beaten and the unstoppable was lying down about to be beheaded."And even this Hulk wouldn't be as strong as Kingdom Come Superman, who Gog man-handled.
"
Nice scan. And by nice scan I mean "Way to completely misrepresent the issue"
For all his talk, Warhulk didn't so much as scratch the Juggernaut."
What is there to misrepresent?
"
I didn't say he would stay dead. I know how his powers work. Do you know what woul dhave happened if he took his head off?
"castleking said:I have one question for you."cant jugg b hurt by magic? and war hulk wasnt he backed up by celest tech?that's not magic. "
"
Cyttorak is not a omnipotent deity, which means he has limits.
Why would his avatar (who doesn't have all his power) have no limits?
"the human Juggernaut said:no, you don't. You still don't understand the whole "can't be harmed physically" part. That sword woudn't have taken his head off."Alpha said:"Zoom said:you said he was about to die. That is a pretty massive misrepresentation. ""Alpha said:The guy was beaten and the unstoppable was lying down about to be beheaded."And even this Hulk wouldn't be as strong as Kingdom Come Superman, who Gog man-handled.
"
Nice scan. And by nice scan I mean "Way to completely misrepresent the issue"
For all his talk, Warhulk didn't so much as scratch the Juggernaut."
What is there to misrepresent?
"
I didn't say he would stay dead. I know how his powers work. Do you know what woul dhave happened if he took his head off?"
"the human Juggernaut said:no one said that juggernaut is omnipotent. All he is is"castleking said:I have one question for you."cant jugg b hurt by magic? and war hulk wasnt he backed up by celest tech?that's not magic. "
"
Cyttorak is not a omnipotent deity, which means he has limits.
Why would his avatar (who doesn't have all his power) have no limits?"
A. immune to physical damage.
B. unstoppable by anything physical
c. has limitless physical power (strength)
that is a far cry from omnipotent.
"Alpha said:"the human Juggernaut said:no, you don't. You still don't understand the whole "can't be harmed physically" part. That sword woudn't have taken his head off.""Alpha said:"Zoom said:you said he was about to die. That is a pretty massive misrepresentation. ""Alpha said:The guy was beaten and the unstoppable was lying down about to be beheaded."And even this Hulk wouldn't be as strong as Kingdom Come Superman, who Gog man-handled.
"
Nice scan. And by nice scan I mean "Way to completely misrepresent the issue"
For all his talk, Warhulk didn't so much as scratch the Juggernaut."
What is there to misrepresent?
"
I didn't say he would stay dead. I know how his powers work. Do you know what woul dhave happened if he took his head off?"
I remember a Xmen comic when Wolverine stab him in the eyes. They grew back but they were damaged. So what's that all about?
"Alpha said:"the human Juggernaut said:no one said that juggernaut is omnipotent. All he is is"castleking said:I have one question for you."cant jugg b hurt by magic? and war hulk wasnt he backed up by celest tech?that's not magic. "
"
Cyttorak is not a omnipotent deity, which means he has limits.
Why would his avatar (who doesn't have all his power) have no limits?"
A. immune to physical damage.
B. unstoppable by anything physical
c. has limitless physical power (strength)
that is a far cry from omnipotent."
There is that word again "limitless". Even though his giver of power isn't a limitless deity. And that makes sense to you.
Maybe you need to read my question again. My point was that Cyttorak isn't omnipotent. That would mean he has limits.
So again, why would Juggernaut not have limits?
"the human Juggernaut said:you remember wrong, it was someone with a magic sword."Alpha said:"the human Juggernaut said:no, you don't. You still don't understand the whole "can't be harmed physically" part. That sword woudn't have taken his head off.""Alpha said:"Zoom said:you said he was about to die. That is a pretty massive misrepresentation. ""Alpha said:The guy was beaten and the unstoppable was lying down about to be beheaded."And even this Hulk wouldn't be as strong as Kingdom Come Superman, who Gog man-handled.
"
Nice scan. And by nice scan I mean "Way to completely misrepresent the issue"
For all his talk, Warhulk didn't so much as scratch the Juggernaut."
What is there to misrepresent?
"
I didn't say he would stay dead. I know how his powers work. Do you know what woul dhave happened if he took his head off?"
I remember a Xmen comic when Wolverine stab him in the eyes. They grew back but they were damaged. So what's that all about?"
"the human Juggernaut said:you need a dictionary. Omnipotent means you can do anything. Cytorrak can't do anything. What he can do, however, is be a limitless source of physical power, since that is what he is."Alpha said:"the human Juggernaut said:no one said that juggernaut is omnipotent. All he is is"castleking said:I have one question for you."cant jugg b hurt by magic? and war hulk wasnt he backed up by celest tech?that's not magic. "
"
Cyttorak is not a omnipotent deity, which means he has limits.
Why would his avatar (who doesn't have all his power) have no limits?"
A. immune to physical damage.
B. unstoppable by anything physical
c. has limitless physical power (strength)
that is a far cry from omnipotent."
There is that word again "limitless". Even though his giver of power isn't a limitless deity. And that makes sense to you.
Maybe you need to read my question again. My point was that Cyttorak isn't omnipotent. That would mean he has limits.
So again, why would Juggernaut not have limits?"
"Alpha said:If you can do anything you have no limits. And isn't that what I said. Being omnipotent means having unlimited influence or authority."the human Juggernaut said:you need a dictionary. Omnipotent means you can do anything. Cytorrak can't do anything. What he can do, however, is be a limitless source of physical power, since that is what he is.""Alpha said:"the human Juggernaut said:no one said that juggernaut is omnipotent. All he is is"castleking said:I have one question for you."cant jugg b hurt by magic? and war hulk wasnt he backed up by celest tech?that's not magic. "
"
Cyttorak is not a omnipotent deity, which means he has limits.
Why would his avatar (who doesn't have all his power) have no limits?"
A. immune to physical damage.
B. unstoppable by anything physical
c. has limitless physical power (strength)
that is a far cry from omnipotent."
There is that word again "limitless". Even though his giver of power isn't a limitless deity. And that makes sense to you.
Maybe you need to read my question again. My point was that Cyttorak isn't omnipotent. That would mean he has limits.
So again, why would Juggernaut not have limits?"
Now read again what I said. Cyttorak isn't omnipotent, so he has limits. It seems you are in need of a dictionary.
If my power source has it's limits, why would I be limitless in power?
"Alpha said:Are you saying that Wolverine never hit Juggernaut in the eyes?"the human Juggernaut said:you remember wrong, it was someone with a magic sword.""Alpha said:"the human Juggernaut said:no, you don't. You still don't understand the whole "can't be harmed physically" part. That sword woudn't have taken his head off.""Alpha said:"Zoom said:you said he was about to die. That is a pretty massive misrepresentation. ""Alpha said:The guy was beaten and the unstoppable was lying down about to be beheaded."And even this Hulk wouldn't be as strong as Kingdom Come Superman, who Gog man-handled.
"
Nice scan. And by nice scan I mean "Way to completely misrepresent the issue"
For all his talk, Warhulk didn't so much as scratch the Juggernaut."
What is there to misrepresent?
"
I didn't say he would stay dead. I know how his powers work. Do you know what woul dhave happened if he took his head off?"
I remember a Xmen comic when Wolverine stab him in the eyes. They grew back but they were damaged. So what's that all about?"
Shatterstar did it in Rob Leifields X-Force with Spiderman. His swords are not magical, he can channel his power (which isn't magical) through them.
Do you even know the character that you seem obsessed with?
"the human Juggernaut said:cytorrak doesn't have a limit. He can provide limitless physical power."Alpha said:If you can do anything you have no limits. And isn't that what I said. Being omnipotent means having unlimited influence or authority."the human Juggernaut said:you need a dictionary. Omnipotent means you can do anything. Cytorrak can't do anything. What he can do, however, is be a limitless source of physical power, since that is what he is.""Alpha said:"the human Juggernaut said:no one said that juggernaut is omnipotent. All he is is"castleking said:I have one question for you."cant jugg b hurt by magic? and war hulk wasnt he backed up by celest tech?that's not magic. "
"
Cyttorak is not a omnipotent deity, which means he has limits.
Why would his avatar (who doesn't have all his power) have no limits?"
A. immune to physical damage.
B. unstoppable by anything physical
c. has limitless physical power (strength)
that is a far cry from omnipotent."
There is that word again "limitless". Even though his giver of power isn't a limitless deity. And that makes sense to you.
Maybe you need to read my question again. My point was that Cyttorak isn't omnipotent. That would mean he has limits.
So again, why would Juggernaut not have limits?"
Now read again what I said. Cyttorak isn't omnipotent, so he has limits. It seems you are in need of a dictionary.
If my power source has it's limits, why would I be limitless in power?"
HT, to use someone else opinion as arguement is bad form. It holds no weight.
And you really sound like the Hulk lovers that think he has no limits because of where he gets his strength.
It evens says in the article that "current opinion around Marvel HQ".
Just becaue Cyttorak is the absolute power in his realm (like Mephisto and Dormammu are in theirs) doesn't mean he is limitless in power. That would make him omnipotent by definition, and even you have admitted he is not.
I'm done. Consider it a win if you like but I can't debate with those who put away logic to refuse to see things differently.
"lol, coming from a guy that uses grunts in his argument that juggernaut can be hurt with physical force.HT, to use someone else opinion as arguement is bad form. It holds no weight.
"
And you really sound like the Hulk lovers that think he has no limits because of where he gets his strength.
It evens says in the article that "current opinion around Marvel HQ".
Just becaue Cyttorak is the absolute power in his realm (like Mephisto and Dormammu are in theirs) doesn't mean he is limitless in power. That would make him omnipotent by definition, and even you have admitted he is not.
I'm done. Consider it a win if you like but I can't debate with those who put away logic to refuse to see things differently.
I guess you are right though, you know more about cyttorak then the people who actually work for marvel.
the current opinion was that juggernaut would beat the hulk, not that cyttorak had limitless power.
"....once again alpha, i said physical power. note the word "physical" I didn't say "all powerful" He can't do "anything" You have to be able to do "anything" in order to be omnipotent.HT, to use someone else opinion as arguement is bad form. It holds no weight.
"
And you really sound like the Hulk lovers that think he has no limits because of where he gets his strength.
It evens says in the article that "current opinion around Marvel HQ".
Just becaue Cyttorak is the absolute power in his realm (like Mephisto and Dormammu are in theirs) doesn't mean he is limitless in power. That would make him omnipotent by definition, and even you have admitted he is not.
I'm done. Consider it a win if you like but I can't debate with those who put away logic to refuse to see things differently.
"Alpha said:"lol, coming from a guy that uses grunts in his argument that juggernaut can be hurt with physical force.HT, to use someone else opinion as arguement is bad form. It holds no weight.
"
And you really sound like the Hulk lovers that think he has no limits because of where he gets his strength.
It evens says in the article that "current opinion around Marvel HQ".
Just becaue Cyttorak is the absolute power in his realm (like Mephisto and Dormammu are in theirs) doesn't mean he is limitless in power. That would make him omnipotent by definition, and even you have admitted he is not.
I'm done. Consider it a win if you like but I can't debate with those who put away logic to refuse to see things differently.
I guess you are right though, you know more about cyttorak then the people who actually work for marvel.
the current opinion was that juggernaut would beat the hulk, not that cyttorak had limitless power. "
That's why I backed my opinion with logic.
And the article says "of the limitless power of Cyttorak". So it is saying he has limitless power.
Don't you fully read what you post?
"the human Juggernaut said:lol, let me try to break this down for you. So you say that cyttorak must be omnipotent because he can grant limitless physical power? ok Is he also omnipotent because juggernaut can go a limitless amount of time without eating? Is he also omnipotent because juggernaut can go a limitless amount of time without drinking? Is cyttorak omnipotent because his own life is limitless (immortal)?"Alpha said:"lol, coming from a guy that uses grunts in his argument that juggernaut can be hurt with physical force.HT, to use someone else opinion as arguement is bad form. It holds no weight.
"
And you really sound like the Hulk lovers that think he has no limits because of where he gets his strength.
It evens says in the article that "current opinion around Marvel HQ".
Just becaue Cyttorak is the absolute power in his realm (like Mephisto and Dormammu are in theirs) doesn't mean he is limitless in power. That would make him omnipotent by definition, and even you have admitted he is not.
I'm done. Consider it a win if you like but I can't debate with those who put away logic to refuse to see things differently.
I guess you are right though, you know more about cyttorak then the people who actually work for marvel.
the current opinion was that juggernaut would beat the hulk, not that cyttorak had limitless power. "
That's why I backed my opinion with logic.
And the article says "of the limitless power of Cyttorak". So it is saying he has limitless power.
Don't you fully read what you post?"
"Alpha said:"the human Juggernaut said:lol, let me try to break this down for you. So you say that cyttorak must be omnipotent because he can grant limitless physical power? ok Is he also omnipotent because juggernaut can go a limitless amount of time without eating? Is he also omnipotent because juggernaut can go a limitless amount of time without drinking? Is cyttorak omnipotent because his own life is limitless (immortal)?""Alpha said:"lol, coming from a guy that uses grunts in his argument that juggernaut can be hurt with physical force.HT, to use someone else opinion as arguement is bad form. It holds no weight.
"
And you really sound like the Hulk lovers that think he has no limits because of where he gets his strength.
It evens says in the article that "current opinion around Marvel HQ".
Just becaue Cyttorak is the absolute power in his realm (like Mephisto and Dormammu are in theirs) doesn't mean he is limitless in power. That would make him omnipotent by definition, and even you have admitted he is not.
I'm done. Consider it a win if you like but I can't debate with those who put away logic to refuse to see things differently.
I guess you are right though, you know more about cyttorak then the people who actually work for marvel.
the current opinion was that juggernaut would beat the hulk, not that cyttorak had limitless power. "
That's why I backed my opinion with logic.
And the article says "of the limitless power of Cyttorak". So it is saying he has limitless power.
Don't you fully read what you post?"
Didn't u tell me to read a dictionary?
Websters definition of Omnipotent is: having virtually unlimited authority or influence. The word unlimited is used.
I'm saying that Cyttorak is not omnipotent. I repeat, He is not omnipotent. Therefore he has limitations. If your power source is limited why would you be limitless?
I friend of mine just stated that the reason why the Hulk and Juggernaut are considered limitless in strenght is because they both can pull on sources not matched by those they fight regularly. But to powers that can exceed their sources (Galactus for instance). they woul dbe nothing,.
"the human Juggernaut said:you don't understand what i just said. You were saying that cyttorak would have to be omnipotent in order to grand limitless physical power. OK. How can he be immortal (life without a limit)? How can juggernaut never need to breath(he can to a limitless amount of time without breathing)? How can he not need to eat or drink (he can go a limitless amount of time without eating or drinking)?"Alpha said:"the human Juggernaut said:lol, let me try to break this down for you. So you say that cyttorak must be omnipotent because he can grant limitless physical power? ok Is he also omnipotent because juggernaut can go a limitless amount of time without eating? Is he also omnipotent because juggernaut can go a limitless amount of time without drinking? Is cyttorak omnipotent because his own life is limitless (immortal)?""Alpha said:"lol, coming from a guy that uses grunts in his argument that juggernaut can be hurt with physical force.HT, to use someone else opinion as arguement is bad form. It holds no weight.
"
And you really sound like the Hulk lovers that think he has no limits because of where he gets his strength.
It evens says in the article that "current opinion around Marvel HQ".
Just becaue Cyttorak is the absolute power in his realm (like Mephisto and Dormammu are in theirs) doesn't mean he is limitless in power. That would make him omnipotent by definition, and even you have admitted he is not.
I'm done. Consider it a win if you like but I can't debate with those who put away logic to refuse to see things differently.
I guess you are right though, you know more about cyttorak then the people who actually work for marvel.
the current opinion was that juggernaut would beat the hulk, not that cyttorak had limitless power. "
That's why I backed my opinion with logic.
And the article says "of the limitless power of Cyttorak". So it is saying he has limitless power.
Don't you fully read what you post?"
Didn't u tell me to read a dictionary?
Websters definition of Omnipotent is: having virtually unlimited authority or influence. The word unlimited is used.
I'm saying that Cyttorak is not omnipotent. I repeat, He is not omnipotent. Therefore he has limitations. If your power source is limited why would you be limitless?"
He does have limitations, just not with physical power(note the word PHYSICAL)
^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^
notice the word PHYSICAL
"Alpha said:So let me get this straight. Are u saying that in the area of physical strength, Cyttorak is omnipotent?"the human Juggernaut said:you don't understand what i just said. You were saying that cyttorak would have to be omnipotent in order to grand limitless physical power. OK. How can he be immortal (life without a limit)? How can juggernaut never need to breath(he can to a limitless amount of time without breathing)? How can he not need to eat or drink (he can go a limitless amount of time without eating or drinking)?"Alpha said:"the human Juggernaut said:lol, let me try to break this down for you. So you say that cyttorak must be omnipotent because he can grant limitless physical power? ok Is he also omnipotent because juggernaut can go a limitless amount of time without eating? Is he also omnipotent because juggernaut can go a limitless amount of time without drinking? Is cyttorak omnipotent because his own life is limitless (immortal)?""Alpha said:"lol, coming from a guy that uses grunts in his argument that juggernaut can be hurt with physical force.HT, to use someone else opinion as arguement is bad form. It holds no weight.
"
And you really sound like the Hulk lovers that think he has no limits because of where he gets his strength.
It evens says in the article that "current opinion around Marvel HQ".
Just becaue Cyttorak is the absolute power in his realm (like Mephisto and Dormammu are in theirs) doesn't mean he is limitless in power. That would make him omnipotent by definition, and even you have admitted he is not.
I'm done. Consider it a win if you like but I can't debate with those who put away logic to refuse to see things differently.
I guess you are right though, you know more about cyttorak then the people who actually work for marvel.
the current opinion was that juggernaut would beat the hulk, not that cyttorak had limitless power. "
That's why I backed my opinion with logic.
And the article says "of the limitless power of Cyttorak". So it is saying he has limitless power.
Don't you fully read what you post?"
Didn't u tell me to read a dictionary?
Websters definition of Omnipotent is: having virtually unlimited authority or influence. The word unlimited is used.
I'm saying that Cyttorak is not omnipotent. I repeat, He is not omnipotent. Therefore he has limitations. If your power source is limited why would you be limitless?"
He does have limitations, just not with physical power(note the word PHYSICAL)
^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^
notice the word PHYSICAL
"
"the human Juggernaut said:you can't be omnipotent in a single area.... limitless yes, omnipotent, no."Alpha said:So let me get this straight. Are u saying that in the area of physical strength, Cyttorak is omnipotent?""the human Juggernaut said:you don't understand what i just said. You were saying that cyttorak would have to be omnipotent in order to grand limitless physical power. OK. How can he be immortal (life without a limit)? How can juggernaut never need to breath(he can to a limitless amount of time without breathing)? How can he not need to eat or drink (he can go a limitless amount of time without eating or drinking)?"Alpha said:"the human Juggernaut said:lol, let me try to break this down for you. So you say that cyttorak must be omnipotent because he can grant limitless physical power? ok Is he also omnipotent because juggernaut can go a limitless amount of time without eating? Is he also omnipotent because juggernaut can go a limitless amount of time without drinking? Is cyttorak omnipotent because his own life is limitless (immortal)?""Alpha said:"lol, coming from a guy that uses grunts in his argument that juggernaut can be hurt with physical force.HT, to use someone else opinion as arguement is bad form. It holds no weight.
"
And you really sound like the Hulk lovers that think he has no limits because of where he gets his strength.
It evens says in the article that "current opinion around Marvel HQ".
Just becaue Cyttorak is the absolute power in his realm (like Mephisto and Dormammu are in theirs) doesn't mean he is limitless in power. That would make him omnipotent by definition, and even you have admitted he is not.
I'm done. Consider it a win if you like but I can't debate with those who put away logic to refuse to see things differently.
I guess you are right though, you know more about cyttorak then the people who actually work for marvel.
the current opinion was that juggernaut would beat the hulk, not that cyttorak had limitless power. "
That's why I backed my opinion with logic.
And the article says "of the limitless power of Cyttorak". So it is saying he has limitless power.
Don't you fully read what you post?"
Didn't u tell me to read a dictionary?
Websters definition of Omnipotent is: having virtually unlimited authority or influence. The word unlimited is used.
I'm saying that Cyttorak is not omnipotent. I repeat, He is not omnipotent. Therefore he has limitations. If your power source is limited why would you be limitless?"
He does have limitations, just not with physical power(note the word PHYSICAL)
^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^
notice the word PHYSICAL
"
"Alpha said:"the human Juggernaut said:you can't be omnipotent in a single area.... limitless yes, omnipotent, no.""Alpha said:So let me get this straight. Are u saying that in the area of physical strength, Cyttorak is omnipotent?""the human Juggernaut said:you don't understand what i just said. You were saying that cyttorak would have to be omnipotent in order to grand limitless physical power. OK. How can he be immortal (life without a limit)? How can juggernaut never need to breath(he can to a limitless amount of time without breathing)? How can he not need to eat or drink (he can go a limitless amount of time without eating or drinking)?"Alpha said:"the human Juggernaut said:lol, let me try to break this down for you. So you say that cyttorak must be omnipotent because he can grant limitless physical power? ok Is he also omnipotent because juggernaut can go a limitless amount of time without eating? Is he also omnipotent because juggernaut can go a limitless amount of time without drinking? Is cyttorak omnipotent because his own life is limitless (immortal)?""Alpha said:"lol, coming from a guy that uses grunts in his argument that juggernaut can be hurt with physical force.HT, to use someone else opinion as arguement is bad form. It holds no weight.
"
And you really sound like the Hulk lovers that think he has no limits because of where he gets his strength.
It evens says in the article that "current opinion around Marvel HQ".
Just becaue Cyttorak is the absolute power in his realm (like Mephisto and Dormammu are in theirs) doesn't mean he is limitless in power. That would make him omnipotent by definition, and even you have admitted he is not.
I'm done. Consider it a win if you like but I can't debate with those who put away logic to refuse to see things differently.
I guess you are right though, you know more about cyttorak then the people who actually work for marvel.
the current opinion was that juggernaut would beat the hulk, not that cyttorak had limitless power. "
That's why I backed my opinion with logic.
And the article says "of the limitless power of Cyttorak". So it is saying he has limitless power.
Don't you fully read what you post?"
Didn't u tell me to read a dictionary?
Websters definition of Omnipotent is: having virtually unlimited authority or influence. The word unlimited is used.
I'm saying that Cyttorak is not omnipotent. I repeat, He is not omnipotent. Therefore he has limitations. If your power source is limited why would you be limitless?"
He does have limitations, just not with physical power(note the word PHYSICAL)
^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^
notice the word PHYSICAL
"
Do you think that the Juggernaut could call on enough strength to lift the weight of the world?
"the human Juggernaut said:sure. What's he going to stand on to do that?"Alpha said:"the human Juggernaut said:you can't be omnipotent in a single area.... limitless yes, omnipotent, no.""Alpha said:So let me get this straight. Are u saying that in the area of physical strength, Cyttorak is omnipotent?""the human Juggernaut said:you don't understand what i just said. You were saying that cyttorak would have to be omnipotent in order to grand limitless physical power. OK. How can he be immortal (life without a limit)? How can juggernaut never need to breath(he can to a limitless amount of time without breathing)? How can he not need to eat or drink (he can go a limitless amount of time without eating or drinking)?"Alpha said:"the human Juggernaut said:lol, let me try to break this down for you. So you say that cyttorak must be omnipotent because he can grant limitless physical power? ok Is he also omnipotent because juggernaut can go a limitless amount of time without eating? Is he also omnipotent because juggernaut can go a limitless amount of time without drinking? Is cyttorak omnipotent because his own life is limitless (immortal)?""Alpha said:"lol, coming from a guy that uses grunts in his argument that juggernaut can be hurt with physical force.HT, to use someone else opinion as arguement is bad form. It holds no weight.
"
And you really sound like the Hulk lovers that think he has no limits because of where he gets his strength.
It evens says in the article that "current opinion around Marvel HQ".
Just becaue Cyttorak is the absolute power in his realm (like Mephisto and Dormammu are in theirs) doesn't mean he is limitless in power. That would make him omnipotent by definition, and even you have admitted he is not.
I'm done. Consider it a win if you like but I can't debate with those who put away logic to refuse to see things differently.
I guess you are right though, you know more about cyttorak then the people who actually work for marvel.
the current opinion was that juggernaut would beat the hulk, not that cyttorak had limitless power. "
That's why I backed my opinion with logic.
And the article says "of the limitless power of Cyttorak". So it is saying he has limitless power.
Don't you fully read what you post?"
Didn't u tell me to read a dictionary?
Websters definition of Omnipotent is: having virtually unlimited authority or influence. The word unlimited is used.
I'm saying that Cyttorak is not omnipotent. I repeat, He is not omnipotent. Therefore he has limitations. If your power source is limited why would you be limitless?"
He does have limitations, just not with physical power(note the word PHYSICAL)
^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^
notice the word PHYSICAL
"
Do you think that the Juggernaut could call on enough strength to lift the weight of the world?"
"Alpha said:Weight of the world. Not the world itself."the human Juggernaut said:sure. What's he going to stand on to do that?""Alpha said:"the human Juggernaut said:you can't be omnipotent in a single area.... limitless yes, omnipotent, no.""Alpha said:So let me get this straight. Are u saying that in the area of physical strength, Cyttorak is omnipotent?""the human Juggernaut said:you don't understand what i just said. You were saying that cyttorak would have to be omnipotent in order to grand limitless physical power. OK. How can he be immortal (life without a limit)? How can juggernaut never need to breath(he can to a limitless amount of time without breathing)? How can he not need to eat or drink (he can go a limitless amount of time without eating or drinking)?"Alpha said:"the human Juggernaut said:lol, let me try to break this down for you. So you say that cyttorak must be omnipotent because he can grant limitless physical power? ok Is he also omnipotent because juggernaut can go a limitless amount of time without eating? Is he also omnipotent because juggernaut can go a limitless amount of time without drinking? Is cyttorak omnipotent because his own life is limitless (immortal)?""Alpha said:"lol, coming from a guy that uses grunts in his argument that juggernaut can be hurt with physical force.HT, to use someone else opinion as arguement is bad form. It holds no weight.
"
And you really sound like the Hulk lovers that think he has no limits because of where he gets his strength.
It evens says in the article that "current opinion around Marvel HQ".
Just becaue Cyttorak is the absolute power in his realm (like Mephisto and Dormammu are in theirs) doesn't mean he is limitless in power. That would make him omnipotent by definition, and even you have admitted he is not.
I'm done. Consider it a win if you like but I can't debate with those who put away logic to refuse to see things differently.
I guess you are right though, you know more about cyttorak then the people who actually work for marvel.
the current opinion was that juggernaut would beat the hulk, not that cyttorak had limitless power. "
That's why I backed my opinion with logic.
And the article says "of the limitless power of Cyttorak". So it is saying he has limitless power.
Don't you fully read what you post?"
Didn't u tell me to read a dictionary?
Websters definition of Omnipotent is: having virtually unlimited authority or influence. The word unlimited is used.
I'm saying that Cyttorak is not omnipotent. I repeat, He is not omnipotent. Therefore he has limitations. If your power source is limited why would you be limitless?"
He does have limitations, just not with physical power(note the word PHYSICAL)
^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^
notice the word PHYSICAL
"
Do you think that the Juggernaut could call on enough strength to lift the weight of the world?"
And you based that on the fact that it's been listed that he has limitless strength?
"the human Juggernaut said:and he's overpowered people that have lifted incredibly heavy things.. such as thor with the midguard serpent."Alpha said:Weight of the world. Not the world itself."the human Juggernaut said:sure. What's he going to stand on to do that?""Alpha said:"the human Juggernaut said:you can't be omnipotent in a single area.... limitless yes, omnipotent, no.""Alpha said:So let me get this straight. Are u saying that in the area of physical strength, Cyttorak is omnipotent?""the human Juggernaut said:you don't understand what i just said. You were saying that cyttorak would have to be omnipotent in order to grand limitless physical power. OK. How can he be immortal (life without a limit)? How can juggernaut never need to breath(he can to a limitless amount of time without breathing)? How can he not need to eat or drink (he can go a limitless amount of time without eating or drinking)?"Alpha said:"the human Juggernaut said:lol, let me try to break this down for you. So you say that cyttorak must be omnipotent because he can grant limitless physical power? ok Is he also omnipotent because juggernaut can go a limitless amount of time without eating? Is he also omnipotent because juggernaut can go a limitless amount of time without drinking? Is cyttorak omnipotent because his own life is limitless (immortal)?""Alpha said:"lol, coming from a guy that uses grunts in his argument that juggernaut can be hurt with physical force.HT, to use someone else opinion as arguement is bad form. It holds no weight.
"
And you really sound like the Hulk lovers that think he has no limits because of where he gets his strength.
It evens says in the article that "current opinion around Marvel HQ".
Just becaue Cyttorak is the absolute power in his realm (like Mephisto and Dormammu are in theirs) doesn't mean he is limitless in power. That would make him omnipotent by definition, and even you have admitted he is not.
I'm done. Consider it a win if you like but I can't debate with those who put away logic to refuse to see things differently.
I guess you are right though, you know more about cyttorak then the people who actually work for marvel.
the current opinion was that juggernaut would beat the hulk, not that cyttorak had limitless power. "
That's why I backed my opinion with logic.
And the article says "of the limitless power of Cyttorak". So it is saying he has limitless power.
Don't you fully read what you post?"
Didn't u tell me to read a dictionary?
Websters definition of Omnipotent is: having virtually unlimited authority or influence. The word unlimited is used.
I'm saying that Cyttorak is not omnipotent. I repeat, He is not omnipotent. Therefore he has limitations. If your power source is limited why would you be limitless?"
He does have limitations, just not with physical power(note the word PHYSICAL)
^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^
notice the word PHYSICAL
"
Do you think that the Juggernaut could call on enough strength to lift the weight of the world?"
And you based that on the fact that it's been listed that he has limitless strength?
"
"Alpha said:Ok. So since it is said in the Marvel Encycopedia and at Marvel.com that the Hulk has unlimited strength and has beat Thor and Hercules, who pulled the island of Manhatten and was once shown to hold up over 150 million tons."the human Juggernaut said:and he's overpowered people that have lifted incredibly heavy things.. such as thor with the midguard serpent.""Alpha said:Weight of the world. Not the world itself."the human Juggernaut said:sure. What's he going to stand on to do that?""Alpha said:"the human Juggernaut said:you can't be omnipotent in a single area.... limitless yes, omnipotent, no.""Alpha said:So let me get this straight. Are u saying that in the area of physical strength, Cyttorak is omnipotent?""the human Juggernaut said:you don't understand what i just said. You were saying that cyttorak would have to be omnipotent in order to grand limitless physical power. OK. How can he be immortal (life without a limit)? How can juggernaut never need to breath(he can to a limitless amount of time without breathing)? How can he not need to eat or drink (he can go a limitless amount of time without eating or drinking)?"Alpha said:"the human Juggernaut said:lol, let me try to break this down for you. So you say that cyttorak must be omnipotent because he can grant limitless physical power? ok Is he also omnipotent because juggernaut can go a limitless amount of time without eating? Is he also omnipotent because juggernaut can go a limitless amount of time without drinking? Is cyttorak omnipotent because his own life is limitless (immortal)?""Alpha said:"lol, coming from a guy that uses grunts in his argument that juggernaut can be hurt with physical force.HT, to use someone else opinion as arguement is bad form. It holds no weight.
"
And you really sound like the Hulk lovers that think he has no limits because of where he gets his strength.
It evens says in the article that "current opinion around Marvel HQ".
Just becaue Cyttorak is the absolute power in his realm (like Mephisto and Dormammu are in theirs) doesn't mean he is limitless in power. That would make him omnipotent by definition, and even you have admitted he is not.
I'm done. Consider it a win if you like but I can't debate with those who put away logic to refuse to see things differently.
I guess you are right though, you know more about cyttorak then the people who actually work for marvel.
the current opinion was that juggernaut would beat the hulk, not that cyttorak had limitless power. "
That's why I backed my opinion with logic.
And the article says "of the limitless power of Cyttorak". So it is saying he has limitless power.
Don't you fully read what you post?"
Didn't u tell me to read a dictionary?
Websters definition of Omnipotent is: having virtually unlimited authority or influence. The word unlimited is used.
I'm saying that Cyttorak is not omnipotent. I repeat, He is not omnipotent. Therefore he has limitations. If your power source is limited why would you be limitless?"
He does have limitations, just not with physical power(note the word PHYSICAL)
^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^
notice the word PHYSICAL
"
Do you think that the Juggernaut could call on enough strength to lift the weight of the world?"
And you based that on the fact that it's been listed that he has limitless strength?
"
What would that make him?
Or Superman who upper strength is incalculable?
"the human Juggernaut said:problem with the hulk is that he can't get angry enough to get all that strength. Its the anger that limits him, not the strength. WWH is about as angry as you can get, i mean his wife and child were murdered. What else could they possibly do to him?"Alpha said:Ok. So since it is said in the Marvel Encycopedia and at Marvel.com that the Hulk has unlimited strength and has beat Thor and Hercules, who pulled the island of Manhatten and was once shown to hold up over 150 million tons."the human Juggernaut said:and he's overpowered people that have lifted incredibly heavy things.. such as thor with the midguard serpent.""Alpha said:Weight of the world. Not the world itself."the human Juggernaut said:sure. What's he going to stand on to do that?""Alpha said:"the human Juggernaut said:you can't be omnipotent in a single area.... limitless yes, omnipotent, no.""Alpha said:So let me get this straight. Are u saying that in the area of physical strength, Cyttorak is omnipotent?""the human Juggernaut said:you don't understand what i just said. You were saying that cyttorak would have to be omnipotent in order to grand limitless physical power. OK. How can he be immortal (life without a limit)? How can juggernaut never need to breath(he can to a limitless amount of time without breathing)? How can he not need to eat or drink (he can go a limitless amount of time without eating or drinking)?"Alpha said:"the human Juggernaut said:lol, let me try to break this down for you. So you say that cyttorak must be omnipotent because he can grant limitless physical power? ok Is he also omnipotent because juggernaut can go a limitless amount of time without eating? Is he also omnipotent because juggernaut can go a limitless amount of time without drinking? Is cyttorak omnipotent because his own life is limitless (immortal)?""Alpha said:"lol, coming from a guy that uses grunts in his argument that juggernaut can be hurt with physical force.HT, to use someone else opinion as arguement is bad form. It holds no weight.
"
And you really sound like the Hulk lovers that think he has no limits because of where he gets his strength.
It evens says in the article that "current opinion around Marvel HQ".
Just becaue Cyttorak is the absolute power in his realm (like Mephisto and Dormammu are in theirs) doesn't mean he is limitless in power. That would make him omnipotent by definition, and even you have admitted he is not.
I'm done. Consider it a win if you like but I can't debate with those who put away logic to refuse to see things differently.
I guess you are right though, you know more about cyttorak then the people who actually work for marvel.
the current opinion was that juggernaut would beat the hulk, not that cyttorak had limitless power. "
That's why I backed my opinion with logic.
And the article says "of the limitless power of Cyttorak". So it is saying he has limitless power.
Don't you fully read what you post?"
Didn't u tell me to read a dictionary?
Websters definition of Omnipotent is: having virtually unlimited authority or influence. The word unlimited is used.
I'm saying that Cyttorak is not omnipotent. I repeat, He is not omnipotent. Therefore he has limitations. If your power source is limited why would you be limitless?"
He does have limitations, just not with physical power(note the word PHYSICAL)
^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^
notice the word PHYSICAL
"
Do you think that the Juggernaut could call on enough strength to lift the weight of the world?"
And you based that on the fact that it's been listed that he has limitless strength?
"
What would that make him?
Or Superman who upper strength is incalculable?"
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