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If Quasar can drain him fast enough he takes it, other wise mags stomps using the iron in his blood against him. If Eric Masterson can beat Quasar so can mags
@destinyman75: Good thing Eric never beat Quasar.
@destinyman75: Isnt Magnetos power still fluctuating ?
Magneto.
His HAX would still work, just shut/EMP his brain down or fry his nervous system, iron in blood manipulation and yada yada.
Quasar, while obviously is the more powerful of 2, as well as has better energy feats has one flaw against Magneto, he can't manipulate energy on electron/subatomic level like Magneto, thus while Magneto is less powerful but his control over energy is fundamentally higher than that of Quasar. Plus Magneto himself has good energy manipulation feats which would make it hard for Quasar to manipulate it.
@major_hellstorm: Thor #437.
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@kgb725: not sure Actually not aware of mags currently. If he is then Quasar. But if not mags had a chance via bloodstream Iron etc. His Shields should hold long enough for that. Then again Quasar I think is more powerful then before. If quasar can drain and gets mags sheilds down fast enough he can win he's overall more powerful, but mags had the stuff to take him down if he acts
@destinyman75: Are you looking at your own scans? Quasar KO'd himself, he was mind controlled.
Quasar is on another level.
Being more powerful doesn't assure the victory.
While Quasar is undoubtely the more powerful and better energy manipulator, but he can't manipulate energy on electron/subatomic level like Magneto. Just a simple analogue think of Telekinetic who let's say has power to levitate moon-sized (which moon's weight) objects against less powerful character who is a molecule manipulator, obviously telekinetic can lift more than MM, but in a tug of war molecule manipulator would win, since he moves matter molecule by molecule, while Telekinetic just does it on regular level, same thing with Magneto and Quasar, one is more powerful, the other one has more fundamental control.
@lord_spectrum: Not sure I agree with that logic, but I won't argue with it.
Quasar
Magneto.
His HAX would still work, just shut/EMP his brain down or fry his nervous system, iron in blood manipulation and yada yada.
Quasar, while obviously is the more powerful of 2, as well as has better energy feats has one flaw against Magneto, he can't manipulate energy on electron/subatomic level like Magneto, thus while Magneto is less powerful but his control over energy is fundamentally higher than that of Quasar. Plus Magneto himself has good energy manipulation feats which would make it hard for Quasar to manipulate it.
@major_hellstorm: Yeah he lost, I know he was being controlled. Point is though Eric was holding back the whole time.while Quasar went all out And got the worst of it, Though it was close Thor was clearly the better.
@destinyman75: Quasar says he should stop holding back the page before he KOs himself. They were both holding back.
@major_hellstorm: true enough I can conceed that point. But if Eric can last like that against him both holding back they are on the same level, while mags would obliterate Eric given his power set, the blood thing is hard to overcome
@destinyman75: It's just not a good feat to use to judge Quasar by. IMO. I mean if you use his feats against Surfer or Galactus, it paints a more clear picture of his power level.
As for the blood thing, how is he? Cause Quasar can operate at millisecond speeds.
@supremegeneration: Quasar incaps and drains plenty IC. Although I am pretty sure that using the iron in blood is not one of Magneto's most used attacks.
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@major_hellstorm: I was referring to Magneto.
Before giving up them up to Avril, Wendall wielded the Quantum Bands as a quantum being, what he himself described as a "energized quantum ghost". He wasn't flesh and blood, so tactics intended to exploit functions of flesh and blood, likely wouldn't work on him.
Wendall's skill in controlling and manipulating energy seems enough to give Magneto a run for his money, he's shown fine enough control to manipulate quantum states and alter probability fields.
Before giving up them up to Avril, Wendall wielded the Quantum Bands as a quantum being, what he himself described as a "energized quantum ghost". He wasn't flesh and blood, so tactics intended to exploit functions of flesh and blood, likely wouldn't work on him.
Interesting, but Magneto has another HAX power which will be rather suitable in this situation, he has shown that he can rip apart energy beings electron by electron he did so against Proteus.
Wendall's skill in controlling and manipulating energy seems enough to give Magneto a run for his money,
More skilled? I doubt it, but he is definitely more powerful than Magneto for sure, but there is a certain problem which Wendall will face when he will fight Magneto, just a copy/paste of what i wrote earlier - " While Quasar is undoubtely the more powerful and better energy manipulator, but he can't manipulate energy on electron/subatomic level like Magneto. Just a simple analogue think of Telekinetic who let's say has power to levitate moon-sized (which moon's weight) objects against less powerful character who is a molecule manipulator, obviously telekinetic can lift more than MM, but in a tug of war molecule manipulator would win, since he moves matter molecule by molecule, while Telekinetic just does it on regular level, same thing with Magneto and Quasar, one is more powerful, the other one has more fundamental control. "
he's shown fine enough control to manipulate quantum states and alter probability fields.
True, but he did so by manipulating Electromagnetic Fields, it ain't working against Master of Magnetism. Plus the only thing it did to Quantum was simply change his state from tangible to intagible, i don't see how it is usefull in fight to make your opponent intagible.
@major_hellstorm: Quasar without bloodlust wouldn't start out that way though, and he often doesn't utilize his Speed as much as his constructs. How would Magneto not, he has shields powerful enough to hold Him at bay to do so. In my opinion Quasars best bet is to go for the drain quickly, otherwise I see the blood thing working
In my opinion Quasars best bet is to go for the drain quickly,
Magneto has the ability to drain energy too (he did that to Phoenix Jean). I am not saying that he will drain Quasar, just saying that it will be harder for Quasar, especially when Mags can control those energies on electron level while Quasar has not shown so, thus giving Mags fundamental superiority.
@lord_spectrum: I actually agree to that. Figured his best chance was the drain faster but as you say not likely
@major_hellstorm: Quasar without bloodlust wouldn't start out that way though, and he often doesn't utilize his Speed as much as his constructs. How would Magneto not, he has shields powerful enough to hold Him at bay to do so. In my opinion Quasars best bet is to go for the drain quickly, otherwise I see the blood thing working
Quasar's favorite moves are caging, draining and nunchucks (for some reason), so he would do it. Here is a scan of him quickly draining Jack of Hearts (energy manipulator that matched Hulk) while saying that he consistently drains his opponents.
In my opinion Quasars best bet is to go for the drain quickly,
Magneto has the ability to drain energy too (he did that to Phoenix Jean). I am not saying that he will drain Quasar, just saying that it will be harder for Quasar, especially when Mags can control those energies on electron level while Quasar has not shown so, thus giving Mags fundamental superiority.
Yeah, that doesn't matter. He drains someone who was draining him in a single panel, because as he says "Nobody does it better than him."
Quasar as an energy being with an ability to also drain energy, makes him largely immune to most of Magento's attacks. Magneto could try to dis-corporate Quasar. If it doesn't work, than Quasar simply over-powers. If it does work, then Quasar reforms soon after and then over-powers Magento. Though the initial dis-corporation could count as BFR and thus give Magneto the win.
@lord_spectrum: I actually agree to that. Figured his best chance was the drain faster but as you say not likely
More or less.
Yeah, that doesn't matter. He drains someone who was draining him in a single panel, because as he says "Nobody does it better than him."
And what feats does that being have in energy absorption? If that being doesn't have impressive feats of draining outside of the fight against Quasar, then it is useless feat against Magneto, since Magneto has drained PHOENIX FORCE JEAN, that's Quasar - level stuff. There is pretty much a decent power-level gap between that being and Magneto's draining prowress.
Plus I didn't say that Mags will drain him, nor i will argue for that, just that it will be way harder for Quasar.
And let's not forget that Magneto has more fundamental control over energy than Quasar, via his subatomic control over energy. So tug of war will end in Magneto's favor.
And what feats does that being have in energy absorption? If that being doesn't have impressive feats of draining outside of the fight against Quasar, then it is useless feat against Magneto, since Magneto has drained PHOENIX FORCE JEAN, that's Quasar - level stuff. There is pretty much a decent power-level gap between that being and Magneto's draining prowress.
Has PF Jean shown any Resistance to draining that would make draining her more imporessive than draining Quasar? And does Mags even have any other feats on that level?
Plus I didn't say that Mags will drain him, nor i will argue for that, just that it will be way harder for Quasar.
Who said you did? I showed the scan to show that even energy drainers are easily drained by Quasar.
And let's not forget that Magneto has more fundamental control over energy than Quasar, via his subatomic control over energy. So tug of war will end in Magneto's favor.
Has this ever happened? Because when you get down to the science of things, every energy manipulator controls atoms.
Interesting, but Magneto has another HAX power which will be rather suitable in this situation, he has shown that he can rip apart energy beings electron by electron he did so against Proteus.
Wendell can basically control and shift his own quantum form as easily as he would one of his constructs, he was basically a living quantum construct.
Dismantling his quantum form maybe easier said than done.
More skilled? I doubt it, but he is definitely more powerful than Magneto for sure, but there is a certain problem which Wendall will face when he will fight Magneto, just a copy/paste of what i wrote earlier - " While Quasar is undoubtely the more powerful and better energy manipulator, but he can't manipulate energy on electron/subatomic level like Magneto. Just a simple analogue think of Telekinetic who let's say has power to levitate moon-sized (which moon's weight) objects against less powerful character who is a molecule manipulator, obviously telekinetic can lift more than MM, but in a tug of war molecule manipulator would win, since he moves matter molecule by molecule, while Telekinetic just does it on regular level, same thing with Magneto and Quasar, one is more powerful, the other one has more fundamental control. "
Manipulating quantum states and altering probability fields is specifically effecting the energy of sub-atomic particles, which indicates his skill works all the way down to a sub-atomic level. See QM.
True, but he did so by manipulating Electromagnetic Fields, it ain't working against Master of Magnetism. Plus the only thing it did to Quantum was simply change his state from tangible to intagible, i don't see how it is usefull in fight to make your opponent intagible.
It wasn't the outcome that was impressive it was how Wendell achieved it i.e. the aforementioned manipulation of probability fields.
Has PF Jean shown any Resistance to draining that would make draining her more imporessive than draining Quasar? And does Mags even have any other feats on that level?
Read my posts once again for proper clarification, since I didn't say that Magneto will drain Quasar or that he can, just that if Quasar tries to drain Magneto, it will be very very hard for him.
As for PF Jean, i don't remember anyone "normal" trying to drain Phoenix Jean in the fights, though Galactus easily did it in Marvel Legacy, but he is Galactus after all :D
But overall no feats there, but we do know that Phoenix Force grants its hosts vast energy manipulating abilities, like when she drained an entire star and etc...
Anyways if you count Time Displaced Teen Jean as legit 616 Jean of the past, then she has feats of draining Telepath of Sh'iar and even Gladiator as well as her team of Psionic Energy, then there is her feat of draining energy from a planet, Phoenix Force Jean and even Galactus in Marvel Legacy one-shot Phoenix/Jean Grey.
And does Mags even have any other feats on that level?
Yep.
He has manipulated Proteus's (a reality waper) energy body, which was entirely composed of psionic energy and ripped it apart electron by electron.
Then we have Magneto asborbing energy from planets and stars during his fight with Iron Man in AvX.
And we have Xorneto (who by recent retcon was the the true Magneto, thanks to Inhumans vs X-Men event) asborbed so much energy from Earth's magnetic field and used it to kill Phoenix Jean.
He has also drained Polaris, and we all know what happened between Vulcan and Polaris.
During 11 arc, when Apocalypse captured 11 mutants, he was gonna use Magneto and Polaris to control the flow of the energies of Phoenix, Bishop, Xavier, Nate Grey, Cable, Cyclops, Sunfire, Rasputin, Storm, Iceman, well in the end it pretty much happened, but save one problem, Magneto was depowered and it didn't work.
Plus according Apoc with those energies he would get power rivalling the Celestials.
Who said you did? I showed the scan to show that even energy drainers are easily drained by Quasar.
Again, what feats does the said energy drainer have to claim that he is powerful or on Magneto's level? Not only that Magneto can control energy on ELECTRON level, remember what happened when Vulcan, someone who is arguably better than Quasar in energy manipulation, fought an electron manipulator in form of Black Bolt? This is what happened, Black Bolt took control of his energy on electron level and redirected it back at Vulcan, even though Vulcan is the superior energy manipulator, this shows that being superior in raw manipulation doesn't mean you can defeat someone with more fundamental control. Or just another analogue, remember the fights of Dr. Light and Green Lantern, obviously GL is far more powerful (planetbusters, 'nuff said), but Light has more fundamental control over those energies via photon manipulation, and thus with it he reks GLs in fights.
Also, if you forgot, there is a thing which well called tier of power, just because you can tank lightning that can bust city doesn't mean you can tank that can bust planet, simple analogue. What i am saying is that if that energy drainer doesn't have decent feats of power, then we have a problem here.
Has this ever happened? Because when you get down to the science of things, every energy manipulator controls atoms.
You mean Magneto manipulating electrons? Yep, enough of times.
Proteus vs Mags - 1, 2 - Rips him apart on electron level.
Depowered Magneto ionizes the air by manipulating the electrons - 1.
Manipulates electricity on electron level in the circuites - 1.
As for the second part, if Quasar doesn't have feats of doing so, no reason to claim that he can. If we go by the real world science Quasar would be more than just atomic manipulator, he would be like GALACTUS in real world, since reality at its core is just energy, if you bend it you essentially bend the reality.
As a side note Magneto can also manipulate photons (these things are even smaller than electrons), he has used this power to bend Cyclops's energy beams on multiple occasions, manipulated Dazzler's attack, and bent some lasers, created holograms and etc..
Wendell can basically control and shift his own quantum form as easily as he would one of his constructs, he was basically a living quantum construct. Dismantling his quantum form maybe easier said than done.
True, but Magneto has already faced and overcame such problem in form of Proteus, who is a legit reality warper, he just took control of his energy form and ripped it apart on electron level.
So the question is, does Quasar have resistance feats to that?
Manipulating quantum states and altering probability fields is specifically effecting the energy of sub-atomic particles, which indicates his skill works all the way down to a sub-atomic level. See QM.
Man, come on, we both know that real world logic doesn't apply to comics especially when it comes to this level of complicated stuff, if it is not stated or shown that he is atomic level bender, then he is not. Plus as shown in Classic era when Scarlet Witch's power was just probability manipulation, it was not atomic or subatomic control. All she could do was just cause bad luck fire energy bolts and create shields. What it means that this shows writers don't know that much about quantum physics. There are other examples of that as well, but Wanda is rather a prime example of that.
Not only that Quasar manipulated probability fields by bending ELECTROMAGNETIC FIELDS, Quasar ain't outmagnetoing Magneto.
It wasn't the outcome that was impressive it was how Wendell achieved it i.e. the aforementioned manipulation of probability fields.
Which just turned his opponent intagible, which is not usefull in fight against Magneto, since Magneto is not physical fighter, in fact it would rather play to Magneto's favor if his opponent can't harm him via intagible state.
Not only that as i mentioned previously the nature of that technique is electromangetic in nature, and there is a reason why Magneto is the Master of Magnetism.
@lord_spectrum: This will be my last post since it is getting too long.
Read my posts once again for proper clarification, since I didn't say that Magneto will drain Quasar or that he can, just that if Quasar tries to drain Magneto, it will be very very hard for him.
Yes, I understood that. Your first statement was saying that. What I am saying is, being able to drain does not equate to being able to resist being drained.
But overall no feats there, but we do know that Phoenix Force grants its hosts vast energy manipulating abilities, like when she drained an entire star and etc...
Quasar drained a star too.
Anyways if you count Time Displaced Teen Jean as legit 616 Jean of the past, then she has feats of draining Telepath of Sh'iar and even Gladiator as well as her team of Psionic Energy, then there is her feat of draining energy from a planet, Phoenix Force Jean and even Galactus in Marvel Legacy one-shot Phoenix/Jean Grey.
That's not really a resistance showing.
Again, what feats does the said energy drainer have to claim that he is powerful or on Magneto's level?
You say Magneto's level, but you haven't shown why Magneto draining Jean is better than Stardust draining Quasar. All you hvae shown is Jean being a powerful energy manipulator but Quasar is too.
Then we have Magneto asborbing energy from planets and stars during his fight with Iron Man in AvX.
Can I see scans?
Not only that Magneto can control energy on ELECTRON level, remember what happened when Vulcan, someone who is arguably better than Quasar in energy manipulation, fought an electron manipulator in form of Black Bolt? This is what happened, Black Bolt took control of his energy on electron level and redirected it back at Vulcan, even though Vulcan is the superior energy manipulator, this shows that being superior in raw manipulation doesn't mean you can defeat someone with more fundamental control.
It's not really stated on the page that it was electron control that allowed BB to perform that feat.
Or just another analogue, remember the fights of Dr. Light and Green Lantern, obviously GL is far more powerful (planetbusters, 'nuff said), but Light has more fundamental control over those energies via photon manipulation, and thus with it he reks GLs in fights.
Because GL's don't really manipulate energy like Light and Surfer do, they just create constructs.
You mean Magneto manipulating electrons? Yep, enough of times.
No, I mean him manipulating an energy manipulator's attacks, like you claimed Black Bolt did.
As for the second part, if Quasar doesn't have feats of doing so, no reason to claim that he can. If we go by the real world science Quasar would be more than just atomic manipulator, he would be like GALACTUS in real world, since reality at its core is just energy, if you bend it you essentially bend the reality.
But he can only bend quantum fields so he would be like Galactus.
Then we have Magneto asborbing energy from planets and stars during his fight with Iron Man in AvX.
Can I see scans?
This will be my last post since it is getting too long.
Sure, no problem with that
Yes, I understood that. Your first statement was saying that. What I am saying is, being able to drain does not equate to being able to resist being drained.
Not exactly, draining is just technique of energy manipulation, if you can forcefully take control the energies of other people, then you logically should have decent grip and control of your energies at high-level.
Quasar drained a star too.
Not in the way Jean did, she literally drained it dry rapidly fast, there was nothing left of it after her, she basically ate it, while Quasar was draining slowly and the star was still intact, basically Quasar's feat is rather similar to what Magneto did against Iron Man in AvX.
That's not really a resistance showing.
1. Read above for proper explanation.
2. It shows the scope of their power.
You say Magneto's level, but you haven't shown why Magneto draining Jean is better than Stardust draining Quasar.
Jean is an energy manipulator with way better feats than "Stardust". In short provide feats for that character.
All you hvae shown is Jean being a powerful energy manipulator but Quasar is too.
Cool.
Can I see scans?
@mr-luxcipher already did that, thanks to him.
It's not really stated on the page that it was electron control that allowed BB to perform that feat.
Man, this is not golden/silver age, things do not need to be dumbed down or stated on panel for us to understand, plus Black Bolt's powers, literally all of them, even the voice, comes from his ability to warp electrons.
And a simple explanation of his energy power when he counteracted a solar flare - 1.
Because GL's don't really manipulate energy like Light and Surfer do, they just create constructs.
They do far more than just construct creation, they can fire energy beams either of concussive force or just plain heat, create forcefields (not the same thing as constructs actually). But anyways i am too lazy to search for scans in my files, so i'll just copy/paste the versality part listed in respect thread.
If you look at the versality and raw power of Light and Green Lantern, you will see that Lanterns are both more versalite and more powerful, but the Light's power to manipulate photons (those tiny particles that make up light) gives him more fundamental control.
No, I mean him manipulating an energy manipulator's attacks, like you claimed Black Bolt did.
I see what you mean.
But to be fair, Mags doesn't have that many feats in that area.
Takes control of Dazzler's light attack on photon level and redirects it back at her.
One of the Inhuman's named Grid tries to outmagneto Magneto, in short he fails.
Redirects Sunfire's sister's solar flare through Earth's EM Field.
Bends Cyclops's optic blasts on multiple occasions.
Drains Post-Horsemen Polaris, and we all know what happeened between her and omega level energy manipulator Vulcan (1, 2).
While this is not Magneto doing the feat, but rather High Evolutionary using technology to replicate Magneto's power to manipulate Power Cosmic energies inside Silver Surfer.
But he can only bend quantum fields so he would be like Galactus.
Bending probability fields is not the same as bending quantum fields in Marvel. Classic Scarlet Witch had power of bending probability fields and her powers are just luck manipulation, energy bolts, shields and that's it.
Domino and Longshot also have that power, but the only application they have is not controlled luck manipulation.
@lord_spectrum said:
True, but Magneto has already faced and overcame such problem in form of Proteus, who is a legit reality warper, he just took control of his energy form and ripped it apart on electron level.
Proteus didn't have the most stable energy form, he seemed prone to dispersal if anything, IIRC didn't Magneto specifically describe it as "fragile"? Also it took Magneto considerable time to discern the nature of Proteus's energy form before he could directly manipulate it.
So the question is, does Quasar have resistance feats to that?
I don't know of any direct resistance feats to manipulation, it's just that it was quite stable, he was specifically chosen to be the first to travel through the fault because his form could withstand the forces involved.
Oh come on, we both know that real world logic doesn't apply to comics especially when it comes to this level of complicated stuff, if it is not stated or shown that he is atomic level bender, then he is not. Plus as shown in Classic era when Scarlet Witch's power was just probability manipulation, it was not atomic or subatomic control. All she could do was just cause bad luck fire energy bolts and create shields. What it means that this shows writers don't know that much about quantum physics. There are other examples of that as well, but Wanda is rather a prime example of that.
Just to be clear, the Quantum Bands specifically work by manipulating sub-atomic particles drawn from the Quantum Zone.
Gruenwald loved injecting real world science into the issues, he wasn't name dropping elements of Quantum Field Theory by accident, he also jumped at the opportunity to delve into Weak Force with the Half-Life character for instance.
The early issues of Quasar literally had science sections at the end where Wendell would teach readers about things like the specifics of the Electromagnetic Spectrum and Hyperspace Theory.
Not only that Quasar manipulated probability fields by bending ELECTROMAGNETIC FIELDS, Quasar ain't outmagnetoing Magneto.
Which just turned his opponent intagible, which is not usefull in fight against Magneto, since Magneto is not physical fighter, in fact it would rather play to Magneto's favor if his opponent can't harm him via intagible state.
Not only that as i mentioned previously the nature of that technique is electromangetic in nature, and there is a reason why Magneto is the Master of Magnetism.
I'm not saying Quasar is going to out-Magneto Magneto, I'm just saying he clearly has considerable skill that shouldn't be dismissed. I mean Wendell regularly bends photons around the bands to make them invisible when he's in his civilian garb.
He can also use EMPs to disrupt an opponents nervous system.
and he was also able to manipulate the energy of the Phoenix Force.
Proteus didn't have the most stable energy form, he seemed prone to dispersal if anything, IIRC didn't Magneto specifically describe it as "fragile"?
I would suggest to read the dialogue once again, because Magneto meant energy as whole, not Proteus.
What Magneto meant in simple terms is that energy is fragile, from the point he lookes at it ie electron level.
Also it took Magneto considerable time to discern the nature of Proteus's energy form before he could directly manipulate it.
True, because Psionic Energy is far outside of Electromagnetic Spectrum, Quantum Energy is not, it is inside the spectrum.
And that was not Magneto on top, the guy had his blood turned into lead via reality warping of Proteus, thus it was hard for him to concentrate and take grip on electrons.
I don't know of any direct resistance feats to manipulation, it's just that it was quite stable, he was specifically chosen to be the first to travel through the fault because his form could withstand the forces involved.
That's not exactly electron manipulation resistance. That's resistance to high-level of gravitational force. But still very impressive feat.
Just to be clear, the Quantum Bands specifically work by manipulating sub-atomic particles drawn from the Quantum Zone.
Not exactly, rather he draws them from another dimension and creates blasts and constructs. They sound similar but they are not exactly the same power.
Gruenwald loved injecting real world science into the issues, he wasn't name dropping elements of Quantum Field Theory by accident, he also jumped at the opportunity to delve into Weak Force with the Half-Life character for instance.
Heh...in future we would know that at high-energy levels EM force becomes one with Weak force, and thus we call it electroweak force, that's a real thing nowdays. :D
Also, the scan you posted rather proves that he doesn't control energy on subatomic level, since atomic decay destroyed it, since if he could he just take control of those subatomic particles in his construct and hold a grip on it pouring energy there so that it won't decay.
The early issues of Quasar literally had science sections at the end where Wendell would teach readers about things like the specifics of the Electromagnetic Spectrum and Hyperspace Theory.
Interesting.
I'm not saying Quasar is going to out-Magneto Magneto, I'm just saying he clearly has considerable skill that shouldn't be dismissed.
That is true. But people with electromagnetic powers tried to outmagneto Magneto and it has always in ended in painful beatdown. While Quasar is rather powerful, but if tries to outmagneto Magneto, he will fail as the rest. And i am sure Quasar is smart enough to not to try that.
I mean Wendell regularly bends photons around the bands to make them invisible when he's in his civilian garb.
Magneto has done the same. Invisibility is nothing special really for energy manipulators.
Also Quasar didn't bend photons, he bent light beyond the visible spectrum in simple terms he changed frequency and wavelength, and in before you ask what's the difference, the difference is like claiming that standart telekinetic is atomic manipulator. Manipulating light doesn't mean you manipulate individual photons.
He can also use EMPs to disrupt an opponents nervous system.
Impressive, shows that he has some HAX in him, besids uber energy powers.
But Magneto literally did the same when he first time manifested his powers and had neither control nor experience over them.
Also from a comic which was retelling Magneto's origin of creating Brotherhood he accidentally fried the nervous system of one of the mutants, because he was pissed, back in those classic days, Magneto's powers affected electrical impulses of his brain making him crazier and rather a madman as well as incompetent.
But it was somewhat reduced (not fully fixed) as Magneto got reduced in age back to his prime.
Also using EM energy against Magneto is rather useless, he'll just absorb it or redirect, Storm and Dazzler learned that in a painful way.
and he was also able to manipulate the energy of the Phoenix Force.
And Magneto did the same to Phoenix Force Jean, who is actually better in terms of skill as well as feats than Phoenix Force Rachel.
Not only that Quasar couldn't take control of all of that energy inside Rachel (he did to most of that, but not all of it), while Magneto sucked dry PF Jean of all of it and did it faster than Quasar and as result it knocked her out.
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