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#1 Edited by GXrevs06 (4423 posts) - - Show Bio
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  • Win by death or KO
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  • Ichigo has his Dangai and H2 showings

Round 1: Alive Rinnegan Madara

Round 2 Ten Tails Jin Madara

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#2 Edited by DemonGod_PABLO (1587 posts) - - Show Bio

Alive madara dies horribly.

Round 2: madara could prolly pull a win due to higher DC, Regen, overall hax but it won’t be a stomp. And he could potentially lose. I’m 50/50 tbh

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#3 Posted by deactivated-5c07a0327fd39 (4596 posts) - - Show Bio

The team is too much

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#4 Posted by jobbers (317 posts) - - Show Bio

Ichibe could solo Madara. His hax are on a whole different level.

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#5 Edited by deactivated-5c60dc252a2af (5801 posts) - - Show Bio

R1: Goes to team in a Stomp.

R2: Madara wins high-diff.

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#6 Posted by americanspeeddemon (7124 posts) - - Show Bio

Team stomp Round 1.

Round 2 goes to Madara.

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#7 Posted by katanalauncher (3592 posts) - - Show Bio

Round 1: Madara loses

Round 2: He wins mid diff mostly due to Ichibe hax.

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#8 Posted by deactivated-5b17f1b84ea5f (1752 posts) - - Show Bio

"In-Character"

Then I see Team taking both rounds. Unless if Madara kills Ichibe first then he aint winning.

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#9 Posted by BrownZeus (914 posts) - - Show Bio

Ichibei would snuff Madara out the hax this guy has could be set to be the strongest offensive hax in the verse.

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#10 Posted by jc9865 (559 posts) - - Show Bio

I think team takes it both rounds

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#11 Posted by HitTheAssasin (7887 posts) - - Show Bio

Team wins the 1st round and loses the 2nd

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#12 Posted by olajoe1 (427 posts) - - Show Bio

Ichibei would snuff Madara out the hax this guy has could be set to be the strongest offensive hax in the verse.

Nope His Hax is completely useless outside Bleachverse

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#13 Posted by DemonGod_PABLO (1587 posts) - - Show Bio

@olajoe1 said:
@brownzeus said:

Ichibei would snuff Madara out the hax this guy has could be set to be the strongest offensive hax in the verse.

Nope His Hax is completely useless outside Bleachverse

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So bleach is the only verse with the color black?

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#14 Posted by ovy7 (2687 posts) - - Show Bio

Madara loses both rounds. IC he likes a good fight, and Ichibe only needs to put some ink on him and it's over.

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#15 Posted by Asurakj (992 posts) - - Show Bio

R1. Madara mid to high dif

R2. Madara stomps

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#16 Posted by olajoe1 (427 posts) - - Show Bio
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#17 Posted by BrownZeus (914 posts) - - Show Bio

@olajoe1: change zampakuto names? There is no one wits that ability as main foundation although you might mean Nimaya who is the one who forges zampakutos and names them.

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#18 Posted by AlexTheBoss (17003 posts) - - Show Bio

@asurakj: How does Madara win round one? He arguably loses to pretty much all of them, except maybe Kisuke, in a 1v1.

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#19 Posted by universeichigo1 (1828 posts) - - Show Bio

@brownzeus: nimaya only forges the zampakuto ichibei names them and gives them their power.

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#20 Edited by great_black_star (3332 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't understand why people are overhyping Ichibei. I find his hax to be most useless hax ever. His hax comes with changing names, and in Bleach Names plays as some source of power or abilities which isn't the case in other verse. They name their abilities according to their functionality or their choices. So changing Raikri to ant won't do a thing to the actual jutsu.

None of them in the team has physical or DC to overcome Madara's PS, which Hashirama needed his 1000 armed buddha to damage it, even then it wasn't fully destroyed. Not to mention his all rinnegan haxs like deva path, soul rip, summoning etc.

I think

Round 1: Madara wins high diff only due to Urahara and Kenpachi. (No idea who is more destructive: Ichigo or Kenpachi)

Round 2: Madara stomps casually.

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#21 Posted by linglung (2213 posts) - - Show Bio

Round 1: Team win 8/10

Round 2: Juudara High diff

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#22 Posted by Antonio_1996 (1163 posts) - - Show Bio

Limbo is forever a problem...

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#23 Posted by FlashingSabre (3823 posts) - - Show Bio

They should take R1, but they have no way of countering Chibaku Tensei and Limbo Jail in R2, so they get stomped there.

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#24 Posted by DemonGod_PABLO (1587 posts) - - Show Bio

Madara gets stomp round 1 no debate

Round 2 he still might die. He got utterly destroyed physically by might guy kenpachi and Ichigo are physically stronger than him. Then you have Kisuke who is far more intelligent than madara. Lastly Aizen/Ichibei have the hax a combination of KS and ichimonji could pull a W

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#25 Posted by kroczilla (1811 posts) - - Show Bio

@great_black_star:

I m gonna try and address this point by point:

1) you're right. Names have meaning in bleach. TO SHINIGAMI. Shinigami utilize the true name of their zanpaktou to unlock it's power and utilize the full incantation of kido to give it greater power. Arrancar also rely on name but they literally copy the shinigami so that's irrelevant. Quincy do not and have never been implied to have such a limitation. Heck let's take ywach's sword for example which became useless upon getting hit with ichimonji. It isn't a zanpaktou and apart from being a very strong sword, it's nothing special yet it got affected by ichimonji. Heck the fact that ywach himself was affected further points out flaws in your argument as a part from the fact that ywach doesn't rely on name for power or functionality of any kind, his name ywach came from what other people used to call him as a kid. It was just a name he took to. Yet he also got affected by ichimonji. The limitations you are trying to put on ichimonji do no exist. It doesn't just affect name put strips what it hits of its power (ssimilar to how ichibei reduced the power in ywach ' s arm by half)

2) hashirama had problems with breaking P.S. after it had been merged with kyuubi and before you say that it meant nothing, remember it was shown in the battle against juubi to that merging bijuu chakra with perfect susaano makes it much more powerful. Heck as proof, when madara and hashirama had their first major battle after madara obtained ems, madara got curbstomped. Madara was never a match for hashirama one on one hence he obtained kyuubi to help his battle and still lost. Madara's PS by itself doesn't have a lot of durability feats. Not to mention due to ichibei ' s dominion of black, he can still attack madara even within P.S.

3) Rinneggan abilities: apart from deva path's CT (wwhich can be rendered nameless or team bleach can just jump dimensions) and limbo (iirc, alive madara couldn't spam it), none of the other Rinneggan abilities would prove a threat to any bleach high tier talk less of the war potentials.

Summons? What the hell are a bunch of menos lvl creatures do here.

Soul sucking? Against soul reapers? Really?!

On topic:

R1: Team mid diff at best

R2: Juudara

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#26 Posted by deactivated-5b17f1b84ea5f (1752 posts) - - Show Bio

@olajoe1 said:
@brownzeus said:

Ichibei would snuff Madara out the hax this guy has could be set to be the strongest offensive hax in the verse.

Nope His Hax is completely useless outside Bleachverse

How so?

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#27 Posted by Helloman (28587 posts) - - Show Bio

The team wins round one but loses round two.

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#28 Posted by utkanflash (2392 posts) - - Show Bio

R1: Madara with high diff (He got Rinnegan, EMS, Hashirama Cells, 1 Limbo, Hashirama's SM) its still too much
R2: Madara with low diff

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#29 Posted by Otsdarva999 (380 posts) - - Show Bio

Round 1: Madara has the powerset to win, but he likely wouldn’t do what he needs quickly enough to pull out a win.

Round 2: Madara stomps.

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#30 Edited by LeoTheGreatest (4273 posts) - - Show Bio

Round one: Team omgstomps.

Round two: Still goes for the team. The two smartest characters in the verse. Multiple sealing kidos hax Bankai that deconstructs anything. Hax hypnosis. The hogyoku. Ichibes renaming bankai. Kempachis and ichigos raw power and they all basically exist on the same plain as his limbo clones. They’re too much for Madara.

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#31 Edited by Rickthenick (575 posts) - - Show Bio

Round 1 Team Wtfstomps

Round 2 Madara Wtfstomps

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#32 Edited by LeoTheGreatest (4273 posts) - - Show Bio

@gxrevs06:

Wait you limited ichigo to Dangai?

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#33 Posted by Marc_55 (5857 posts) - - Show Bio

Team mid diffs round 1.

Madara low diffs round 2.

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#34 Posted by GXrevs06 (4423 posts) - - Show Bio
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#35 Posted by LeoTheGreatest (4273 posts) - - Show Bio

@gxrevs06:

I don’t get what you mean by h2 lmao.

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#36 Posted by LeoTheGreatest (4273 posts) - - Show Bio

Not much action in this thread I’m surprised

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#37 Posted by ALMIGHTY (3278 posts) - - Show Bio

Lmao the team stomps the 1st round and the second Madara wins with mid difficulty

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#38 Posted by great_black_star (3332 posts) - - Show Bio

@kroczilla:

Lets see.

1. Are you trying to mislead someone? Coz we know Quincy also have letter obsession as much as shinigami. A- Almighty, B- balance, Antithesis? LOL. And nope Ichibei himself already explained that his hax is everything about name.

2. Madara doesn't have any ability of absord chakra at that point, during his fight against Hashirama. So nope his PS wasn't augmented in any form by kyuubi. PS doesn't change is durability just coz its protecting kyuubi. So another factual fallacy here.

3. Why wouldn't soul ripping work here? Have they ever shown any resistance against such attacks? There is none as much as I know.

And dimension hoping that they can do is not that fast and hasn't been used practically ever. If they can, then they should have do so, especially by arrancars, to save there asses in battles they are losing. And even if they did, that makes Madara the winner for forfeiting the match.

And how will these shinagamis even counter Limbo?

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#39 Edited by kroczilla (1811 posts) - - Show Bio

@great_black_star:

1) first of all, what the quincies have is no where close to what the shinigami do. Ywach gives them a portion of his soul which he inscribed into theirs. it has nothing to do with whatever name they decide to call the ability they received from ywach cause the name literally no effect on the ability ywach gives. And secondly, ichibei didn't even know about the almighty in the first place Until after ywach used it to negate ichimonji. not to mention there's also the question of ywach's sword which ichibei made powerless with ichimonji.

Yes ichimonji erases the name of it victims but it also reduces their power to zero.

2) using the kyuubi to enhance PS doesn't require chakra absorbtion though. Naruto and sasuke did the same thing against juubito and neithet had any chakra absorbtion ability. What is required is the skill to manipulate that volume of chakra.

Again the feats speak for themselves;

Madara without kyuubi got stomped by hashirama

Madara with kyuubi gave hashirama a good fight.

Madara without kyuubi in PS split the top off two mountains

when he merged with kyuubi, literally every mountain in that panel (aabout 5 iirc) got split.

Hashirama with golem alone was able to hold off PS.

hashirama needed his giant Buddha to deal with PS+KYUUBI

Also just curious, how durable do you think PS is.

3) um... tatsuki, who is less than fodder tier resisted a soul sucking ability. Freaking fodder hallows have been soul ripping since BOS. So you're gonna argue that they can even bother the 5 WP?

As for CT, first of all, ichibei could render it useless, or ichigo could spam GTs at it or they could BFR.

Second of all, CT is not exactly an instant ability. It takes time to finally take full effect. Even 6 tails naruto was able to resist it till it was almost fully formed. That's more than enough time for a quick dimension hop eespecially ggiven that the RG has instant teleport (ooetsu teleported ichigo back to kurakura town before the latter could even react).

As for how they counter limbo, how about flight. Plus madara can't spam it and it's only good for melee attacks.

I would also like to point out that ichigo has shown to be able to sense reitsu even In between dimensions. Just saying.

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#40 Posted by GXrevs06 (4423 posts) - - Show Bio

@gxrevs06:

I don’t get what you mean by h2 lmao.

H2 refers to his Vasto Lorde Hollow form. The one he assumed when he fought Ulquiorra

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#41 Edited by LeoTheGreatest (4273 posts) - - Show Bio

@gxrevs06:

I had a feeling it was that but that form is weaker than EOS so you did limit him.

Unless you’re saying those feats can also be used with his other ones which should be obvious.

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#42 Posted by LeoTheGreatest (4273 posts) - - Show Bio

5 war potentials take both rounds.

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#43 Posted by great_black_star (3332 posts) - - Show Bio

@great_black_star:

1) first of all, what the quincies have is no where close to what the shinigami do. Ywach gives them a portion of his soul which he inscribed into theirs. it has nothing to do with whatever name they decide to call the ability they received from ywach cause the name literally no effect on the ability ywach gives. And secondly, ichibei didn't even know about the almighty in the first place Until after ywach used it to negate ichimonji. not to mention there's also the question of ywach's sword which ichibei made powerless with ichimonji.

Yes ichimonji erases the name of it victims but it also reduces their power to zero.

I would like proof of all you have claim here. When have they claimed that all shinigami powers are based on name and quincies aren't? Coz I have found any. And if Ichibei can turn any abilities to nothing then how did he even loose to Ywach? How comes he wasn't able to nullify Almighty?

And if I have to take your words, then what we get here is Ichibei can do anything to abilities which have nothing to do with names. As you have claimed that Quincies powers aren't name dependent, which make sense that he wasn't able to nullify Ywach's power. If that was the case then my argument is proven by you.

2) using the kyuubi to enhance PS doesn't require chakra absorbtion though. Naruto and sasuke did the same thing against juubito and neithet had any chakra absorbtion ability. What is required is the skill to manipulate that volume of chakra.

Again the feats speak for themselves;

From where are you getting that Sasuke's PS was enhanced by Naruto? Sasuke's PS was enhanced by Jugo's CS, and Naruto have already shared his chakra to Sasuke before that, so if it was enhanced then it have nothing in common to what Madara did. Madara don't have any abilities that allows him to absorb chakra before he got rinnegan.

Madara without kyuubi got stomped by hashirama

When did that happened? Coz according to Manga, before Hashi got SM, it takes all Senju clans to subdue Madara and even then it takes 24 hours of non stop battle.

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So get your facts correct.

Madara with kyuubi gave hashirama a good fight.

What? Hashirama almost died in that battle. Hashi only manage to win that by tricking Madara (who have his sharingan deactivated) with his wood clone at the last moment. What manga are you even reading.

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If you look at Hashirama, his clothes were all torn apart. Why do you it is that way? And Madara also claimed Hashi has ridiculous regeneration, even better than Tsunade's Byakugo. How do you think Madara knows that without able to injured Hashi in battle? Madara didn't even recieved any fatal blow until that moment, while Hashi's condition proves he has received many and had survived only due to his insane regeneration.

Madara without kyuubi in PS split the top off two mountains

Not really, Madara can split off an entire mountain range if those happens to be in range.

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This is what Madara's PS is capable off. Kyuubi has nothing to do here, those mountains were happens to be in range only.

when he merged with kyuubi, literally every mountain in that panel (aabout 5 iirc) got split.

Which proves Madara can split a Mountain range. And that has nothing to do with Kyuubi.

Hashirama with golem alone was able to hold off PS.

hashirama needed his giant Buddha to deal with PS+KYUUBI

Also just curious, how durable do you think PS is.

1. Wood Golem + Wood dragon was barely able to hold of PS, and it takes whole senju clan fighting 24 hours straight to subdue Madara.

2. Hashirama;s only aim was to wear off PS armor from kyuubi so that he can release Kyuubi from his control. And PS's durability was amped in any way in that fight.

3. PS durable enough to tank unscathed a full power BB from full Kyuubi. And it take continues barrage from Giant buddha to break its some part. Such firepower will vaporise Bleach team here.

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This proves nothing in Bleach team's arsenal can break Susanoo.

3) um... tatsuki, who is less than fodder tier resisted a soul sucking ability. Freaking fodder hallows have been soul ripping since BOS. So you're gonna argue that they can even bother the 5 WP?

Scan?

As for CT, first of all, ichibei could render it useless, or ichigo could spam GTs at it or they could BFR.

Second of all, CT is not exactly an instant ability. It takes time to finally take full effect. Even 6 tails naruto was able to resist it till it was almost fully formed. That's more than enough time for a quick dimension hop eespecially ggiven that the RG has instant teleport (ooetsu teleported ichigo back to kurakura town before the latter could even react).

Stop comparing Nagato to Madara. Madara don't even need it. And when he displayed it he ripped off an entire country.

As for how they counter limbo, how about flight. Plus madara can't spam it and it's only good for melee attacks.

I would also like to point out that ichigo has shown to be able to sense reitsu even In between dimensions. Just saying.

Being able to sense it and being to able to fight with that senses only are two different talents. Second one is something Ichigo has never displayed so far. And just Saying anything won't help when you can prove they can even defend against it.

I would love if you can prove scans to prove your points also. Especially your claim that Kyuubi was amping Madara's PS in his battle with Hashirama.

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#44 Edited by Earendill (970 posts) - - Show Bio

Round 1. Madara

Round 2. Madara stomps the Bleach verse

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#45 Posted by Whitebeard (24 posts) - - Show Bio

Raund 1: Team Bleach.

Raund 2: Madara.

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#46 Posted by LeoTheGreatest (4273 posts) - - Show Bio

Again War potentials take both rounds.

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#47 Posted by kroczilla (1811 posts) - - Show Bio

@great_black_star: 1) It's you whose claiming that the quincies powers are name dependent ergo it is you who has to prove it. I already provided proof to the contrary. as for why the almighty was able to overcome ichimonji, even hax abilities have tiers and the almighty wasn't just hax. it was straight up fate and causality manipulation with the added advantage of power nullification. madara doesn't have anything similar to the almighty here.

2) jugo didn't enhance sasuke ' s PS. iirc he gave it his sage mode so it could hurt juubito. and naruto and sasuke merging their bijuu+PS clearly made then much stronger. how else do you explain the fact that they were able to get through juubito 's3) defence. something they previously failed to do (even naruto and minato using a full bijuu enhanced rasengan couldn't cut it)

3) first of all, nothing states that the senju all fought madara. even if they did (which again, there is no proof of), madara and hashirama at that stage were literally gods among men. nothing proves that fodder senjus even if they somehow interfered would make a bit of difference (and yes, I m including tobirama in that equation. apart from Madara's beef over the death of his brother, he had no regard for tobirama 's strength). madara alone made the five kages lose their resolve the fight with PS. to suggest that a bunch of fodders barring MAYBE tobirama have more resolve or strength than the five kages is a rather bad joke.

4) I did say madara gave him a good fight though. a good fight for me means both fighters were badly hurt and victory was a close call (e.g. luffy vs katakuri). sorry if there was any misunderstanding.

from what I gather, PS has the striking power to split a mountain range and durability to take a kyuubi bijuu bomb which is at least mountain lvl.

now before you bring up the bm naruto feat of matching five mountain busters with 50 percent kyuubi, please note that its been implied that bijuu jins are more powerful than a bijuu on its own due to their ability to focus it's power thus I doubt kyuubi could scale to the bm naruto feat. we got this from the time obito became the juubi jin.

https://www.mangareader.net/naruto/638/8

https://www.mangareader.net/naruto/638/12

https://www.mangareader.net/naruto/638/15

now, say kyuubi scales to the multi mountain feat, that still wouldn't be enough to defend against shikai ken.

Kenpachi in shikai, with one arm and whilst eye patched destroyed a (atleast) city sized meteor. this is an island lvl feat even at low end (the small meteor that exploded over russia years back alone produced over ten times the energy of the Hiroshima nukes).

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/space/9874662/Russian-meteor-exploded-with-force-of-30-Hiroshima-bombs.html

Again this was kenpachi as close to holding back as he possibly could.

Kenpachi is enough to breach susaano. Ichibei doesn't need to breach Susaano to attack madara. Ichigo should atleast be on par with kenpachi (destroyed to top half of the royal palace in base). Aizen iirc could teleport. not sure if Susaano can defend against that.

5) scans of tatsuki resisting a soul rip.

https://www.mangareader.net/bleach/191/8

https://www.mangareader.net/bleach/191/9

https://www.mangareader.net/bleach/191/10

https://www.mangareader.net/bleach/191/11

https://www.mangareader.net/bleach/191/12

note that tatsuki 's reitsu is a drop in the bucket compared to any of these guys.

um... the madara who ripped up portions of a country was juubi jin madara who I already stated would win (though not just for that reason). Ywach himself lifted the vanderreich to the royal palace (Literally hundreds of thousands of kilometers) nigh instantly and he admitted that bankai ichigo was his match in raw power.

lastly, being able to sense limbo means you can avoid it. and given that it can't be spammed or used indefinitely, being able to sense it's use it a pretyy big advantage.

as for the feat in question

while in between the hollow world and the human world, sensed exactly were aizen was and broke through space/time from aizen ' s blind spot for a surprise attack.

https://www.mangareader.net/bleach/388/5

https://www.mangareader.net/bleach/388/6

here again while ichigo was btwn dimensions to get to soul society, he sensed KS being used.

https://www.mangareader.net/bleach/684/4

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#48 Edited by deactivated-5c531e53b02be (3640 posts) - - Show Bio

@kroczilla:

Busting a city sized meteor isn't a Island level feat, it's city level.

The meteor has stored energy or potential energy that would be released had it hit the ground making it an Island level threat, it would not however take a Island level attack to bust it.

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#49 Edited by LeoTheGreatest (4273 posts) - - Show Bio

@temporal_shift:

Seretei is country sized wether you like it or not. And wouldn’t that energy be released on his sword as he busted it ?

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#50 Edited by deactivated-5c531e53b02be (3640 posts) - - Show Bio

@leothegreatest:

Prove it.

And no, if you destroy a floating city, you busted a city.