Double Rinnegan Rikudo Madara vs Muken Aizen. Who wins?
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Sure, cause KS=TP?
Even at his strongest, Madara caps at sub-rel to low sub-rel+ speeds scaling from Naruto (keep in mind this is at his strongest), meanwhile Aizen scales way above sternritters like Liltoto and Candice, who should already be comparable to the speeds above due to their personal feats. Not only that, but Aizen was able to keep up with Yhwach, who not only intercepted Mimihagi, but also absorbed him later on, which easily puts him at high relativistic speeds.
>Speed gap is rather big.
>Madara has no feats of seeing through something like KS
>Aizen's regeneration is beyond anything in Narutoverse
>physically, Aizen should scale to Kenpachi due to his transcendent reiatsu
@wanderez: How can Madara scale go low SB when he reacted to near LS Guy? KS is a illusion based attack that affects sense something Dojutsu can counter, Regen won't save him from IT, Kenny is lower than Naruto/Sasuke as is Aizen and Madara scales above them. Madara wins.
1) the way the distortion of space happaned in Gai's case doesn't fit the way the theory of relativity says space should bend due to sheer speed, at least not the way it was portrayed in the manga, and as such it cannot be a credible indacative of it.
2) even if point 1 wasn't true, distortion of space isn't an effect only applicable to relativistic speed, but to any speed, and the effect would be noticeable to the traveler even at single to double digit mach's, which would mean a calculation would need to be done about it, but as the phenomena portrayed is radically different to the phenomana that the theory of relativity have formula's for, we can't do that either, so its certainly no indicator of any specific speed rate or value, if att all.
3) the effects of distortions of space are visible to the one traversing space and only to him, not any observer would notice a change in space at all, its relative change to the object in movement, not to the observer of the movment, as such the idea that Madara would notice the distortion in space 'created' by Gai's speed (as the former canonically did) not only kicks the entire idea out the window, but is ridicules, laughable and deserve any mockery it gets. All we can do is assume its an effect of his attack.
KS affects the soul.
IT doesnt really matter here:
-Aizen can just blitz
-ignoring the above, KS is passive
In terms of physicals Kenny is way higher than both.
1.) The Author brought attention to the fact he bent space, your head canon on why it's not accurate doesn't matter. This is backed but the fact that Naruto dodges light right after.
2.) Citation this doesn't even make sense.
3.) Read post 1.
Who cares if it affects the soul Ino's mind transfer affects the soul and Fodder Sakura overpowered it. And no Kenny isn't even close to them.
According to the theory of relativity, Gai's feat isnt even close to LS. Im not using head canon, its not my fault the author isnt a physicist.
You're welcome to prove LF being LS isnt a hyperbole like LF being undodgable. And manga really doesnt give too much evidence how Naruto dodged it.
A feat for Sakura.
Shikai Kenny is below multi-mountain level strenght wise? Okay...
Kanzen Saimin can be used in such a way that Madara wouldn't know that he was in an illusion (and he wouldn't feel a disturbance in his Chakra either). If Aizen did something like that, he could start spamming high level Hadō spells until he is very dead (I would say that he could seal him with the right amount of Bakudō spells, but Aizen sadly doesn't have enough feats in that area). If he doesn't get Kanzen Saimin off efficiently, then Madara walks all over him with his superior physical capabilities.
Which i explained why its wrong already. Bending space=/=nigh LS. As i already explained, there are many criteria. And again, not my fault it doesnt fit them.
Her being fodder has nothing to do with it. Thats a feat for her.
So, because GRC disorts space, Bankai Ichigo is nigh LS too? This is laughable.
Im not even debating, im teaching you basic stuff about debating, such as not giving others abilities for no reason.
If a fodder can regenerate from being atomized, but the big villain in the series hasnt shown any regeneration feats, we just assume that he can also come back from atomization, because the other character that did is fodder?
Tbh, you're not even worth my time. Funny part is, you use head canon yourself. You only take the part of the theory which supports the feat, but you ignore the other criteria just cause.
Go ahead and get the last word, please. I wont even bother with you anymore.
@theemperor95: Aizen was faster than SK Ywach in the fight(?) ,
SK Ywach absorbed the Lille and Mimihagi too , Lille was about ls , Mimihagi was about relativistic in speed .
Lille and Ywach woud be able to blitz most of the HST , so Aizen , he faster than them .
Now Aizen is the fastest HST Character
@crackshotboi: prove that Reiatsu changes the way sense are effected any more than Chakra would
It controls the five senses to the point where it can make the target misinterpret another person's form, shape, mass, feel, and smell to be an enemy's. The initiation condition for the hypnosis is to show the enemy the release of Kyōka Suigetsu. After seeing it just once, this person will completely succumb to the hypnosis. Afterwards, every time it is released, this person will fall under the thrall of the hypnosis.
Don't forget, Aizen uses, and starts the battle with KS immediately for most of his fights.
unlike madara, who do not go for genjutsu as often.
@crackshotboi: Ok so if effects the senses no differently than any other sense based attack. So again Dojutsu can see trough it.
I can't really agree or disagree with that right now,but I simply don't think dojutsu can see through a similar illusion/hypnotize attack created with reiatsu not chakra, but the main difference that makes KS far more dangerous than genjutsu is that genjutsu can be broken through many ways while KS is almost impossible.
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