Madara Uchiha vs Gremmy Thoumeaux

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•Rikudou Madara, and he is able to see and hit Gremmy.

•Both in character

•Speed equalized

•Both have basic knowledge of each other's abilities

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In-character? Has basic knowledge? Madara should take this.

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Six Paths Madara>>>>>Kenpachi>Gremmy

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Uchiha Madara with Perfect Susanoo is enough since he's another Kenpachii.

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Madara's Susanoo is the embodiment of destruction even without Rikudo Mode he is still powerful

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Gremmy without PIS stomps.

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Inb4 flame war.

And now i'm out.

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Thats the thing with in character battle for characters that are poorly written it gives a equalizer so that its an actual fight. If gremmy didn't job he'd be in at least low level reality warping territory but because he fights like garbage he loses to guys like madara who are strong but couldn't win a head to head ability vs ability fight. He's on the list of characters that were let downs from bleach.

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Equalizing speed and both having basic knowledge of abilities should make this a stomp for Gremmy.

EDIT: On second thought, has the potential to go either way.

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Madara lol stomp.

Inb4 Salt fest.

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Gremmy isn't going to start with anything fatal IC. Madara can just one-shot with Genjutsu, Fire-Style, or a Susano'o strike.

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@flashingsabre: Why wouldn’t he ? He usually starts with transmutation via a cookie that’s pretty fatal to me

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@almighty: No. He did that to Yachiru because he was mocking her. He never opens with transmutation in a fight. He always tries to brute force his opponent until he realizes they're too powerful.

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#16  Edited By iUseMyCajonas

@valor_175 said:
@flashingsabre said:

Gremmy isn't going to start with anything fatal IC. Madara can just one-shot with Genjutsu,

@valarmelkor said:

•Both have basic knowledge of each other's abilities

So he would treat the fight differently than any other.

Fire-Style

Lol what? Feats for Fire Style that imply it would instakill/damage Gremmy? Which is what would need to happen in order for him to ever lose?

With every clone his power doubles, and he easily is capable of taking his own meteors with just two, has shown to be able to make six.
With every clone his power doubles, and he easily is capable of taking his own meteors with just two, has shown to be able to make six.

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Susano'o strike.

Please, not only does the Perfect Susanoo' make Madara slower, and have no feats of actually tagging anyone with it's strikes. It wouldn't be able to kill Gremmy in one hit which again, is what you'd need to put him down.

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Naruto as a universe has literally never even graced hax on this level. Ever.
Naruto as a universe has literally never even graced hax on this level. Ever.
No counter for Gremmy making Madara forget he exists.
No counter for Gremmy making Madara forget he exists.
No counters for Gremmy's superior Limbo clones.
No counters for Gremmy's superior Limbo clones.
Literally no counter at all.
Literally no counter at all.

Madara has zero answers for any of Gremmy's hax at all.

Gremmy makes Madara forget he exists, gets a clone to slap Madara a coulple times across the mouth, traps him in a dimension and goes on to continue trolling.

10/10 for Gremmy. Putting a Low Tier reality warper in Naruto is not a good idea, they can't even deal with Izanagi.

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#18  Edited By iUseMyCajonas

@valor_175 said:

@iusemycajonas: You're logic also applies to Madara. If he has basic knowledge on Gremmy, Madara will blitz and kill him easily before he is able to use his powers.

You could potentially have an arguement but any arguement we have regarding speed is irrelevant and off topic to this thread, as:

@valarmelkor said:

•Speed equalized

Which is what makes this an undebateable stomp. If speed wasn't equalized we'd have a real thread because Gremmy is a jobber. But with it equalized and with knowledge Gremmy will never be caught off guard.

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Gremmy should be banned from these threads, this dude's powers are drawn by a 10-year-old.

Speed equalized? And Gremmy has basic knowledge?

How doesn't he stomp?

Either way, Gremmy is horrible and should never be used in a Battle thread.

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#21  Edited By iUseMyCajonas

@valor_175 said:

Even then, Genjutsu would still be an option. Madara could cast a subtle illusion similar to what Sasuke used against Deidara, which would allow him to decapitate Gremmy without issue.

Yeah, no.

  1. You'd need to post feats of Madara even using Genjutsu to begin with. His only Genjutsu feats that are applicable in battle IIRC is temporarily paralyzing a fodder shinobi.
  2. Gremmy has knowledge of Madara and because of this would constantly be ready and cautious of genjutsu to begin with, which would not allow for Madara to pierce his skin, as his durability when he wants it to be is too high for someone of Madara's calibur, and he knows the exact calibur of Madara due to the conditions of this thread.

If Gremmy wants to he can literally start this battle off by erasing Madara or turning him into a cookie. The only reason this is even a sliver of debatable is because of Gremmy's character.

Madara gets dropped in space.
Madara gets dropped in space.
Or killed with a thought.
Or killed with a thought.

Madara is in Gremmy's permanent extremely more potent twisted "Izanami" and "Izanagi" at all times. Madara is at his mercy for the entire battle.

With knowledge and equalized speed there is no possible way for Madara to ever beat a reality warper.

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You’re simply downplaying if you think with equalized speed + knowledge there’s anything Madara can do to prevent being transmutated or space dumped

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#23  Edited By Rickthenick

@almighty: his only real chance is genjutsu from the start.

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Even with Genjutsu being an option, Gremmy has basic knowledge of Madara, therefore he just imagines that he's immune to Genjutsu.

Gremmy is broke af.

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#25  Edited By ALMIGHTY

@rickthenick: Madara has no notworthy Genjutsu feats other than IT which he wouldn’t start the fight off with in charachter, Gremmy is nothing but a brain anyway not entirely sure how a Genjutsu would work on him. But he can imagine and transmutate Madara or dump him way quicker than he could cast a genjutsu with speed equalized and prior knowledge, if he has knowledge he will be sure to transmute him immediately

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so madara vs gremmy is debatable though sauke solos the verse great

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@rickthenick: He only did so after constant attempts and failures to put down Kenpachi he became frustrated, here if he attempts to transmute Madara or dump him there will be no frustration because Madara won’t have a defense for it

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@almighty:

Madara has no notworthy Genjutsu feats other than IT which he wouldn’t start the fight off with in charachter

Other than IT, he has two genjutsu feats. One against fodder shinobi and the other against the Raikage. Both fighters are in character, but knowledge ensures both are taking the fight somewhat seriously because of the obvious danger of the opponent's powerset. Gremmy has no TP resistance, but I think he wins under these conditions anyway. It's debatable because Gremmy is really stupid, though.

But he can imagine and transmutate Madara or dump him way quicker than he could cast a genjutsu with speed equalized

That's not exactly true either. Under the battle forum rules, when the OP doesn't specify a starting distance, both fighters start out incredibly close to each other:

When there is no information, we use these as the default battle conditions:

  • Fighting to the best of their abilities, within their normal ethical / moral boundaries.
  • No prep, no prior knowledge.
  • A populated city street, starting 10 ft apart.
  • Standard gear, current mainstream canon versions (current / standard when the thread was originally made)
  • Win by KO, death, or BFR.
  • Rest / healing between rounds (for Gauntlets)

With them starting face to face 10 ft away, a genjutsu right off the bat could probably happen quicker or at the same time as a transmutation, since speed is equalized. With equalized speed, reactions and thought speed are equalized too, and a character's mental quickness would normally determine who would think quicker to pull off their attacks first. Just saying there are things that are debatable.

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#33  Edited By ALMIGHTY

@otsdarva999: Are you trying to argue with EQUALIZED SPEED Madara can cast a Genjutsu at ANY distance faster than gremmy can process a thought ? You do understand casting a Genjutsu first requires a thought in its own right in order to activate in the first place right ? Lmao and again are we entirely sure a Genjutsu would work on him ? He’s simply a brain that manifests it’s thoughts into reality

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@almighty:

Are you trying to argue with EQUALIZED SPEED Madara can cast a Genjutsu at ANY distance faster than gremmy can process a thought

Both actions require thought. Gremmy has to think of what he wants to do and Madara has to think of placing Gremmy in genjutsu. Since they start out face to face 10 feet away eye contact is already there.

You do understand casting a Genjutsu first requires a thought in its own right in order to activate in the first place right

Never said it didn't. If you paid attention, I said both could probably happen simultaneously:

could probably happen quicker or at the same time as a transmutation,

but since Madara starts with eye contact already, any argument of anyone being faster under this situation would go to him. Also, I said both characters would have equalized thought processes here. Both are on alert.

re we entirely sure a Genjutsu would work on him ? He’s simply a brain that manifests it’s thoughts into reality

No reason it wouldn't. He has eyes which feed sensory information to the brain you acknowledge he has. What's stopping him? Lol.

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#36  Edited By ALMIGHTY

@otsdarva999: He doesn’t really have eyes tho that’s the thing, they’re imaginary eyes on a body that’s not his actual form they’re a by product of his imagination, genjutsu on the boy body will not effect the brain just as physical damage didn’t have an effect on the brain, and since he has prior knowledge he has plenty of counter measures he can use such as simply keeping his eyes shut, using vision by other means etc.

And again even if they’re staring into each other’s eyes doesn’t mean the Genjutsu is auto activated Madara still has to activate via a thought which at the SAME TIME since speed is equalized gremmy would be processing a thought which means at best both their abilities will activate at once meaning okay let’s hypothetically say gremmy is in a Genjutsu well Madara is now a cookie or space dumped at the same time.

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What a meme

Madara stomps

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In character Madara stomps

out of character no CIS/PIS Gremmy stomps

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@rickthenick: Hey must think that he could lose though, if he doesn't go PIS he stomps.

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@almighty:

He doesn’t really have eyes tho that’s the thing, they’re imaginary eyes on a body that’s not his actual form they’re a by product of his imagination

Sure, it's a product of his imagination, but he nevertheless creates real things and his brain is within that body... I guess or at least when his body vanished, that brain was all that was left. Those imaginary, yet real eyes feed information to his brain, yes? That should be sufficient.

since he has prior knowledge he has plenty of counter measures he can use such as simply keeping his eyes shut, using vision by other means etc.

Prior knowledge is granted to both, but what exactly is this vision by other means? What feats does he have to say he can fight while closing his eyes? I mean what would you have him do while fighting like that?

And again even if they’re staring into each other’s eyes doesn’t mean the Genjutsu is auto activated Madara still has to activate via a thought which at the SAME TIME since speed is equalized gremmy would be processing a thought which means at best both their abilities will activate at once

Fair. I acknowledged the possibility.

meaning okay let’s hypothetically say gremmy is in a Genjutsu well Madara is now a cookie or space dumped at the same time

He needed 8 clones for a space dump and the cookie thing, in fact all of gremmy's abilities, require his continued focus. This was shown when Yachiru's bones went back to normal while he was preoccupied fighting Zaraki. Genjutsu would undoubtedly break his concentration, yes?

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Limbo clones would catch him off guard breaking his powers (as stated above and shown in the manga)

Madara then uses Light fang to remove his head.

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#43  Edited By iUseMyCajonas

@temporal_shift said:

Limbo clones would catch him off guard breaking his powers (as stated above and shown in the manga)

How would Limbo clones catch him off guard if he knows that they exist? This is a fight where both characters have knowledge of eachother.

@temporal_shift said:

Madara then uses Light fang to remove his head.

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You sure are in a lot of Bleach threads for someone who has never read, watched, or seen Bleach.

Speed is equalized as well and implying Madara wouldn't be able to dodge his own neck turning is pretty hilarious.

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#44  Edited By Godren

Gremmy was completely out of character when he fought Kenpachi lol.An in character Gremmy insta kills you with a thought via death manipulation or via transmutation.Anyone that has read Bleach knows the only reason he actually fought Kenpachi was because of being baited into it lol and promised Kenpachi a fight.

As for this battle Madara gets turned into a cookie,BFR into deep space,or just killed instantly.

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You sure are in a lot of Bleach threads for someone who has never read, watched, or seen Bleach.

Speed is equalized as well and implying Madara wouldn't be able to dodge his own neck turning is pretty hilarious.

Lol, says the guy who low-balls Naruto characters constantly while high-balling Bleach, calling a city sized structure a Country lmao.

I've read ever chapter of Bleach, if Kenny can beat him so can Madara.

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#46  Edited By LeoTheGreatest

Gremmy wins, not really anything madara can do against him.

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#47  Edited By iUseMyCajonas

@temporal_shift said:

if Kenny can beat him so can Madara.

You're dumb joking if you think Kenny can beat him. Lol. The stupidest use of ABC logic I've ever seen in my life, and now I realize that you actually have never even touched Bleach at all and are talking completely out of your ass.

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Gremmy was joking and playing around the entire fight, only because of his relationship with Kenpachi, in character agaisnt randoms like Madara he won't waste his time at all. Gremmy stomps Kenpachi if he aims to win, the only reason the fight lasted like it did was because Gremmy promised Kenpachi a "Good fight".

Dude literally knows he can get up at any time and literally erase Kenpachi.
Dude literally knows he can get up at any time and literally erase Kenpachi.

He literally only dies and loses because he says that he dies and loses.
He literally only dies and loses because he says that he dies and loses.

How you claim to have read Bleach and don't know this basic information is hilarious as hell. There is so much more to the narrative of their fight than "who's stronger than who" that it's not even funny. Gremmy is literally going through his own little philosophical revolutions in diologue with Kenpachi and this fight was more akin to a conversation than it even was an actual fight. You completely are ignoring the context of the narrative of this fight lol.

You literally have asbolutely no idea what you're talking about, again.
You literally have asbolutely no idea what you're talking about, again.

Stop showing up in Bleach threads when you have no knowledge of Bleach at all. It's a waste of everyone's time.

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Gremmy was completely out of character when he fought Kenpachi lol.An in character Gremmy insta kills you with a thought via death manipulation or via transmutation.Anyone that has read Bleach knows the only reason he actually fought Kenpachi was because of being baited into it lol and promised Kenpachi a fight.

As for this battle Madara gets turned into a cookie,BFR into deep space,or just killed instantly.

This kid claims to have read "Every single chapter of Bleach" but came to the conclusion that Kenpachi is stronger than Gremmy LMAOOOOOOOO.

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@temporal_shift said:

if Kenny can beat him so can Madara.

You're dumb joking if you think Kenny can beat him. Lol. The stupidest use of ABC logic I've ever seen in my life, and now I realize that you actually have never even touched Bleach at all and are talking completely out of your ass.

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Gremmy was joking and playing around the entire fight, only because of his relationship with Kenpachi, in character agaisnt randoms like Madara he won't waste his time at all. Gremmy stomps Kenpachi if he aims to win, the only reason the fight lasted like it did was because Gremmy promised Kenpachi a "Good fight".

Dude literally knows he can get up at any time and literally erase Kenpachi.
Dude literally knows he can get up at any time and literally erase Kenpachi.
He literally only dies and loses because he says that he dies and loses.
He literally only dies and loses because he says that he dies and loses.

How you claim to have read Bleach and don't know this basic information is hilarious as hell. There is so much more to the narrative of their fight than "who's stronger than who" that it's not even funny. Gremmy is literally going through his own little philosophical revolutions in diologue with Kenpachi and this fight was more akin to a conversation than it even was an actual fight. You completely are ignoring the context of the narrative of this fight lol.

You literally have asbolutely no idea what you're talking about, again.
You literally have asbolutely no idea what you're talking about, again.

Stop showing up in Bleach threads when you have no knowledge of Bleach at all. It's a waste of everyone's time.

@godren said:

Gremmy was completely out of character when he fought Kenpachi lol.An in character Gremmy insta kills you with a thought via death manipulation or via transmutation.Anyone that has read Bleach knows the only reason he actually fought Kenpachi was because of being baited into it lol and promised Kenpachi a fight.

As for this battle Madara gets turned into a cookie,BFR into deep space,or just killed instantly.

This kid claims to have read "Every single chapter of Bleach" but came to the conclusion that Kenpachi is stronger than Gremmy LMAOOOOOOOO.

@jashro44 back at with his petty insults.

Lol, Madara has him and Kenny beat in all stats other than speed.

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#49  Edited By iUseMyCajonas

@temporal_shift said:

@jashro44 back at with his petty insults.

LMAO but you never got insulted the entire time?

Dumb joking is an insult now? Kid is an insult now? LOL

You're still talking out your ass and I don't see how that's an insult either.

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@temporal_shift said:

Lol, Madara has him and Kenny beat in all stats other than speed.

This isn't Dragon Ball Z and debates are more than just "hurdur stats!". Madara has no answer for reality warping still. You have no real arguement agaisnt it as shown by you never actually countering any argumentative points and constantly falling back on false notions.

So....

concession accepted.

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@godren:

Gremmy was completely out of character when he fought Kenpachi lol

Doesn't really matter. He doesn't have enough showings to go against that one and only fight where he behaved like a moron, and being stupid is in character for him.

in character Gremmy insta kills you with a thought via death manipulation or via transmutation.

Based on what? How he in character instakilled Yachiru or Kotetsu? Yes, I'm aware of him killing the two vizard captains who were out cold, and not in a battle situation, but you're acting like you have enough feats to establish he goes around insta killing everyone, lol. The cookie bones stuff can be quite easily countered.

Anyone that has read Bleach knows the only reason he actually fought Kenpachi was because of being baited into it lol and promised Kenpachi a fight.

Yes, we're all quite aware of his stupidity.

As for this battle Madara gets turned into a cookie

Starting distance is 10 feet. It's just as likely Gremmy gets placed in genjutsu as it is for Madara to have his bones cookified, which isn't fatal by the way.

BFR into deep space

Takes the combined concentration of 8 clones to pull that off. Breaking the concentration of any of them stops that.

just killed instantly

Gremmy can be placed in genjutsu just as fast as Gremmy pulls that off and Madara can come back from death via Izanagi anyway.