Mace Windu vs Iron Fist

@CadenceV2: That's taking away all I have just shown you with the Force. Mace stomps. The OP posted an EU video, so EU feats are allowed.

@CadenceV2 said:

@Ancient_0f_Days: IF stomps with the Chi... easy as that.... lol

I should flag you for troll baiting .......

@Ancient_0f_Days: LOL Go ahead then.

@ShootingNova said:

@Ancient_0f_Days: LOL Go ahead then.

??? you want me to flag cadence ???

@Ancient_0f_Days: No, not really. If you wanted to, I meant.

@ShootingNova said:

@Ancient_0f_Days: No, not really. If you wanted to, I meant.

well ...... I wan't to ... but .... I really don't feel like wasting the energy to click a button on that .... i could use that button click for other things you know ....... like more important people who I think might concern me in the future .... you know ...

@Ancient_0f_Days: LOL.

To the OP, Mace Windu in the EU has shatterpoint, which should give him the win.

Then he can knock back an army with a single Force Wave.

He can still heal wounds alone with the Force

During the Battle of Coruscant he also blasted hundreds of droids away, so that's not inconsistency

Mace stomps

@Silver2467: What about telepathy?

@Silver2467: Practically any force user can use telepathy though. This is probably because if you look at who he is fighting, either they are adept at using the force and so are unlikely to be overcome by his telepathy (e.g. Sidious) or easy enough to beat so he doesn't have to resort to that (e.g. droids or jango fett :P )

@Silver2467: you will be the first, but you just disregarded my point about him not needing to.

Can't Mace Windu just force choke him right as the match begins?

@Silver2467: Force Crush.

@Silver2467: I don't think Thunderer meant that he would defeat IF with telepathy, merely possibly use it against him. I haven't seen him bear impressive TP feats though.

Even if it went hand to hand, even if Iron fist had a nuke he'd lose. Mace can never lose this fight. Doesn't the force allow him to perceive Iron fist's strike before or as he makes them ? Combine this with Force speed, force crush, force throw, shatter point, and that he can shield himself. Heck if Iron fist throw his "chi projectile" Mace could direct it right back at him.

Iron fist comes out of this one having a Windu colonoscopy.

@CadenceV2 said:

Iron Fist KO dragons and has Caught Sniper Bullets out of the air. I dont see what Mace can do in CC.

What's faster bullets (explosion powered projectile) or Lasers(energy focused fired beams of light) ?

@Thinkagain: Mace not being able to lose this fight isn't really the correct term to say. Yes, the Force does give him precognition.

@Silver2467: Force Crush.

@Silver2467: I don't think Thunderer meant that he would defeat IF with telepathy, merely possibly use it against him. I haven't seen him bear impressive TP feats though.

even if Iron fist had a nuke he'd lose.

that he can shield himself. Heck if Iron fist throw his "chi projectile" Mace could direct it right back at him.

@Silver2467: I just want to know something.... who do you even think will win in this fight?

Not that he needs it.

Check the vid the op put up you'll see in the final time he's pushed back, when he stands his ground, right before he pushes back he has a shield around him. 4:51-4:54

Mace would not lose this fight, ever.

Anything else I can do for you ?

@Silver2467: I just want to know something.... who do you even think will win in this fight?

Check the vid the op put up you'll see in the final time he's pushed back, when he stands his ground, right before he pushes back he has a shield around him.

@Silver2467: @Thinkagain: Shielding yourself from dust isn't really a productive instance of using Force Shield/Barrier/Deflection.

@ShootingNova said:

@Silver2467: @Thinkagain: Shielding yourself from dust isn't really a productive instance of using Force Shield/Barrier/Deflection.

heh, wasn't that dust just throwing him around ? I doubt his shield isn't strong. Anyway you asked and I showed you so I'm moving on. Can you show me how IF can dodge force speed and handle someone who is predicting your moves ? Cause that's what IF is dealing with, not to mention someone who can crush your limbs (non-lethal win) repeatily if necessary.

@Thinkagain: Dude, my original post was based on Windu winning so...

IF is also durable and his punches are a lot more powerful than dust.

Mace's advantage is due to the Force. Without it, he would be crippled. In this sense, he wins due to things like precog and advanced physical attributes.

@ShootingNova said:

@Thinkagain: Dude, my original post was based on Windu winning so...

IF is also durable and his punches are a lot more powerful than dust.

Mace's advantage is due to the Force. Without it, he would be crippled. In this sense, he wins due to things like precog and advanced physical attributes.

Same could be said about IF and his chi, without it he'd be crippled and etc.......

edit: I'm moving on this battle is done imo

@Thinkagain: I know, but I'm just saying. Windu wins in my opinion but not a stomp.

Windu .... he's 600 years old for Christs sake ..... he wins with skill and experience advantage ..... and obvious TK and such .... thats a no brainer ......force run and jump, speed/agility advantage ..... blocks/dodges multi-directional automatic blaster fire, reaction speed advantage ..... hes a master jedi second to yoda, title and rank advantage ......

just too much going on for Mace for him to lose .... he should stomp ...... but I bet someone can provide reasons why he doesn't .......

@Ancient_0f_Days: LOL, 600? You mean 60? He was 53 when he died lol. Grand Master Satele Shan is above him in rank and Grand Master Luke is above him in both rank and power.

Did someone just say Mace is 600 years old?


This is why Windu battle threads are obnoxious. Absolutely no one ever seems able to form an accurate or reasonable argument for him. People just presume he wins and either provide no reasons or provide reasons that they made up out of thin air. Seriously, is it so hard to just read about the character and weigh their showings to determine an outcome?

@Silver2467: I think he meant 60 but put another 0 by accident. Mace died at 53 anyways, rounded off that would be 50.

@ShootingNova: @Silver2467: I read in a star wars handbook that he was 600 years old .... since jedi can retain life and youth for a long time .....

@ShootingNova said:

@Ancient_0f_Days:Grand Master Satele Shan is above him in rank and Grand Master Luke is above him in both rank and power.

Both of them were in different time lines .... Satele was old republic more than a millennium before the phantom menace and Luke wasn't even born yet when Mace was alive ..........

@Ancient_0f_Days: He died at 53. He never learned to become a Force Spirit. Jedi can retain life but not youth. You never said during his time, but you are correct.

@ShootingNova said:

@Ancient_0f_Days: He died at 53. He never learned to become a Force Spirit.

where does it say that .... they never mention his age within the movie .... i read that he was 600 ....... SW hand book ftw?

I believe that Darth Maul would win the fight against Iron Fist, I believe Mace would destroy Maul, so therefore Mace would win.

@ShootingNova said:

@Ancient_0f_Days: He died at 53. He never learned to become a Force Spirit.

where does it say that .... they never mention his age within the movie .... i read that he was 600 ....... SW hand book ftw?

I believe that Darth Maul would win the fight against Iron Fist, I believe Mace would destroy Maul, so therefore Mace would win.

@Ancient_0f_Days: Read sourcebooks, guides and other things of the likes thank you. Born: 72 BBY. ROTS was 19 BBY. 53 years difference.

@GhostRider29 said:

I believe that Darth Maul would win the fight against Iron Fist, I believe Mace would destroy Maul, so therefore Mace would win.

Well, without his saber? Mace won't destroy Maul in an all out fight, but he would win.

@Silver2467 said:

@Ancient_0f_Days said:

@ShootingNova said:

@Ancient_0f_Days: He died at 53. He never learned to become a Force Spirit.

where does it say that .... they never mention his age within the movie .... i read that he was 600 ....... SW hand book ftw?

Mace is not 600. There is no sourcebook that states that.

@GhostRider29 said:

I believe that Darth Maul would win the fight against Iron Fist, I believe Mace would destroy Maul, so therefore Mace would win.

ABC logic doesn't work, and Mace would not destroy Maul either. Could he beat him? Yes. Stomp him? Not at all.

This. And Maul practices a similar style to Mace's anyways, granted both a Form VII, but different variants.

@ShootingNova: @Silver2467: Okay maybe I exaggerated a little, but I got my point across. Lol

@Silver2467 said:

@Ancient_0f_Days said:

@ShootingNova said:

@Ancient_0f_Days: He died at 53. He never learned to become a Force Spirit.

where does it say that .... they never mention his age within the movie .... i read that he was 600 ....... SW hand book ftw?

Mace is not 600. There is no sourcebook that states that.

@GhostRider29 said:

I believe that Darth Maul would win the fight against Iron Fist, I believe Mace would destroy Maul, so therefore Mace would win.

ABC logic doesn't work, and Mace would not destroy Maul either. Could he beat him? Yes. Stomp him? Not at all.

Dang ..... well he still has years and skill above IF since he mastered all the jedi combat styles and made his own .....

@Ancient_0f_Days: If by Jedi Combat styles, you mean the seven lightsaber forms, then yes. But all the lightsaber forms? I don't see him mastering Trakata, Niman/Jar'Kai, Unorthodox and Trispzest and Lus-Ma. He also hasn't mastered all the Force Forms, apparently only one of four.

skill above IF since he mastered all the jedi combat styles and made his own .....

@Silver2467: He doesn't have as much experience as IF in the H2H department either, as far as I know.

                    @ShootingNova: You're exaggerating Mace's abilities. 
 

To the OP, Mace Windu in the EU has shatterpoint, which should give him the win.

Based on? Shatterpoint is not impeccable. There have been occasions where Mace has searched for a Shatterpoint to aid him in a combat situation and was unable to find one. Even then, possessing the ability to see Shatterpoints and actually perceiving them rarely grants him a win over anyone notable. Against most of his reputable opponents (Kar Vastor, Grievous, Sora Bulq, Dooku, etc.), it made no difference. It only ever guaranteed a victory over non-superhuman foes. Iron Fist in no way falls under the category of cannon fodder droids or soldiers that Shatterpoint has been successful against. He would be more difficult to detect a Shatterpoint for and even more difficult to gain the win over purely because of Shatterpoint. 
 

Then he can knock back an army with a single Force Wave.

Inconsistent writing. Mace knocking over hundreds of droid with his TK is incongruous with the majority of his TK showings. Mace has failed to lift miniature transports and could only levitate himself from a great height with injury on impact. His CW telekinetic power bears no relevance because it contradicts his standard showings. Mace's standard telekinetic feats involve showings such as lifting multiple trees and moving several boulders. 
 

He can still heal wounds alone with the Force

Mace has never employed Force Heal during combat. So this is irrelevant. 
 

During the Battle of Coruscant he also blasted hundreds of droids away, so that's not inconsistency

With Yoda's help. So, yes, actually this is inconsistency. 
 

Mace stomps

Not really. In accordance with Mace's character, he will be more inclined to engage Danny in hand to hand. While he may be faster, Rand is more skilled, durable, and versatile. Mace was fine with fighting Kar Vastor in hand to hand, and while they did utilize TK in their fight, much of it was still unarmed combat (and even then, Mace never even used his own TK against Kar until Kar used his first). In this instance, he would more likely do the same. If he had his lightsaber, then sure he would probably win soundly enough. Unarmed and in character, it would hardly be that simple.

                   

               

I have a question..... that's kinda irrelevant here..... but how was Mace Windu amped during his duel with Palpatine?

Why does this seem to always happen? Why can no one produce feats for IF that prove that he can beat Mace rather than just try and tear Mace down instead?

Mace wins this fight fairly easily since no one can prove other wise.

Though Mace has no h2h feats, his general combat feats, coupled with his abundant force feats, out weight that deficiency. How could IF beat Mace's precog abilities and force push/grab/choke (lets just call it force death) skills?

Physically IF may be faster than a force-less Mace, but Mace has experience on IF, not to mention the range his force abilities give him. Once Mace realizes how much of a threat IF can be, he'll just force choke him out.

Done.

I'm sorry, but the arguments for both Mace and Danny in this thread are awful.

@CadenceV2 said: 

Once Again Im not the only one.

@Ancient_0f_Days: @ShootingNova: Are you guys think Im trolling cause IF has Way Better Feats and proven more of a fighter against tougher and faster opponets? Are you F***in Serious.....

I have a question..... that's kinda irrelevant here..... but how was Mace Windu amped during his duel with Palpatine?

Why can no one produce feats for IF that prove that he can beat Mace rather than just try and tear Mace down instead?

Mace wins this fight fairly easily since no one can prove other wise.

Once Mace realizes how much of a threat IF can be, he'll just force choke him out.