Luffy vs Zeldris

•Current Luffy

•Zeldris(New holy war arc)

•In Character

•Luffy starts in 2nd gear

•Location: Wano Country

•Starting Distance: 60ft

•No Knowledge/Prep

•Canon Feats Only

•Win by K.O or DEATH

Current luffy win 6/10

Zeldris cuts Luffy up

Zeldris stomps

Current Luffy wins. If Combo Star wrecked a character as high in NNT as Mael, then Luffy who hits way harder would do so much more. Blunt force durability isn't NNT's strong point until you get to characters at or above EoS Ban.

Zeldris blitz and one shot.

Luffy stomps.

Luffy opens a luffyweiser and drinks one while stomping a mudhole..

@shirso: Derieri is stronger than unsealed demon mark Meliodas who can bust an Island. Derieri is Island+, KKG is not at that level unless you high ball KKG to the maximum and Mael can take 50 of those no problem. Zeldris compares to Mael.

Luffy punches Zeldris, he doesn’t feel it then Zeldris grabs Luffy’s arm and chops it off.

Self healing lets Zeldris tank internal haki and counter attack once luffy lays a hand on Zeldris.

@whatamiseeing: What physical feats does Unsealed Mel have on island level? And even Luffy's G3 on Dressrosa can be argued at that level, never mind KKG.

@shirso: why would Mel specifically need a physical feat he destroyed Danafor thats the island feat. Harming other island level fighters such as Gloxinia is his physical feat.

How is G3 island level?

@whatamiseeing: Because the Danafor busting was done with his magical (Darkness) power and NNT explicitly differentiates magic and physical stats? Gloxinia doesn't have any island lvl durability feats either, and in any case, it's later implied Mel already had access to Assault Mode during the Danafor busting so it wouldn't scale to Unsealed anyway, not to mention it was a bloodlusted, berserk Mel using all of his power, something that doesn't scale to his standard output.

How is G3 island level?

The horizon from someone of Chinjao's height would already be close to 11 km and it extended on both sides, add the fact that the ice is much more durable than rock or steel and you get around island lvl.

@shirso: combo star got stronger with every hit so not a good comparison.

OT- Luffy if he can avoid ominous nebula

@edgelord91: Yeah but the increment is negligible to the the tier of these characters. A few 1000 tons is nothing to anyone mountain lvl or above.

@shirso: Splitting 11 kms of ice (more durable than rock) wouldn't be around island lvl

@yamatama: Then what lvl would that be in?

@exauce: Looking at a calc of the feat calculating only the visible split (like 8 km in total). They got like small town to town lvl.

Pretty sure OP has way better feats before and after the time skip.

@yamatama: It was that much distance on both sides, so 22 km, and calc's didn't take into account the durability of the ice, it was no selling Prime Chinjao's punches, which are already mountain lvl

Edit: I searched around a bit and there's actually several calc's which put it more like small island lvl like this or this. Anyway town lvl is a horrible downplay when PTS Luffy was that strong.

Probably Zeldris

@shirso: The calc put the distance of both sides at a total of 8 km. The calc did take into account the abnormal durability of the ice. No real way of quantifying that so... I mean even if we made it 22 km, I doubt you'd get solid island lvl.

Do people still think Chinjao's continental?

@shirso: Town lvl is using the visible split only. Just in case I didn't make that clear already

@yamatama:Which calc are you referring to? Anyway there are recent calcs which put it at small island lvl, and we can quantify the durability of the ice since it was no selling Prime Chinjao's punches, which are already mountain lvl. In any case, you don't need calcs to say creating a 8 km long decently deep fissure on ice that can no sell mountain lvl attacks would be at the very least high end multi mountain, if not quite island lvl

@shirso: This one

Yea just saw your edit. Those calcs assume pretty big lengths for the split. Which is my main problem with them. There are better feats that have calcs with better results & less assumptions in OP. Pretty sure VS wiki has the main calcs on the OP page. There you can see some of the better feats compared to Chinjao's feat.

I mean you still can't really quantify that. If you tried that would be calc stacking which shouldn't be used, but if we assumed that you could at least get large mountain lvl ( I use large mountain lvl instead of multi-mountain).

@yamatama: I can't agree with the VSBW estimate because calling the ice only the durability of rock is honestly a massive lowball, you can't just ignore one of the main pieces of context to the feat, but large mountain is fair I agree.

Also apparently VSBW puts the KE of Fuji's largest meteorite at island lvl anyway, so this feat doesn't matter, as Luffy's striking scales above the durability of Doffy's strings.

@shirso:

Meliodas' magic is on average 10x lower than his physical strength here is the link https://nanatsu-no-taizai.fandom.com/wiki/Balor%27s_Magical_Eye. This further sediments Meliodas as Island level physically and Meliodas overpowered and trashed Galand who is a purely physical multi mountain level fighter with punches. Physically unsealed Meliodas is casually Island level.

Gloxinia took a hit form Escanor whos stronger than Island level.

Meliodas did not use assault mode till after his revival against Escanor where was it stated or shown Meliodas used Assault Mode to bust Danafor. Bloodlusted, Berserk just means his powers were going off in every direction, while in his normal mind set Meliodas controls the destructive capacity of his magic so he does not destroy everything, mind set does not make him stronger.

11km is town level, cities extend way more than 11km. You can find towns that extend more than that on google maps. The most you can say is if it were a mountain level attack he would be mountain+ due to the increased durability of the ice. Chinjao did that attack in his prime, now he is way out of his prime significantly weaker going from fighting Prime Garp to G2 Luffy level. Hes not at the level of strength he was during that feat and he has an illness, luffy cant scale to that feat. Luffy scales to Old Chinjao who is not mountain level. If Luffy was mountain level in G3 he wouldve destroyed all of Pika in 1 or 2 hits.

Leaning towards Zeldris winning this in a close fight.

@whatamiseeing: There's no proof power levels scale the same across all categories, you might be able to replicate island lvl power with say only 3,000 points in the Magic category and require 50,000 points in the strength category to do the same with physicals. In fact Galand is a proof of this since his strength in CO was about 40,000 iirc and his strongest attack was clearly nowhere near the level of Danafor Vaporization.

It wasn't stated but later in Escanor's flashback we know that Mel still had access to AM during that period (since he sparred with The One Escanor in AM during the flashback) and his visual appearance during the feat heavily implies AM was being used.

Luffy does scale above the ice continent split since old Chinjao later confirms to Sai that deforming his drill meant Sai had the power to replicate the ice continent split.

I don't get the last paragraph, towns are larger than mountains anyway, it's just more impressive destroying mountains as they are solid rock and more durable, like 11 km is already larger than Mt. Everest. His feat is the same as creating a giant fissure in a 22 km tall (since it's both sides) "mountain" except this ice can already no sell conventional mountain lvl attacks.

LOL if they still do.

Zeldris breaks Luffy's back in.

Zeldris stomps, if it was an Admiral this would be a better match up.

as usual the Town level feats are wanked up to Mountain level, when was it that fragmenting/breaking a 1km giant Rock is now Mountain level.

Luffy blitzes and one shots. Zeldris can't even see him nor tag him ever. If Doffy could barely cut or pierce Luffy's Haki this dude stands 0 chance.

Pica stomps the verse, he was made of Dressrossa stone which is many times harder than steel, Pica had multi country level durability at least. Imagine thinking mere city size standard rock can phase a whole hord of new world pirates, sike.

Also even if we go just DC wise and not potency Pica is still a geater DC feat than anything in nnt and he was a low diff for Zorro. At the end of the day Zeldris gets blitzed and one shotted.

@raziel2014: What town lvl feats? And that's hypocritical since you are going to argue Galand bisecting some hills as multi mountain then.

Zeldris

Zeldris smacks the rubber boi

Luffy solos the SDS.

Luffy stomps him unscathed Zeldris can't even harm him. Luffy lolblitzes and one shots.

I have to say, seeing SNBISBIS constantly wanking One Piece characters in every thread is quite amusing.

OT: Zeldris obliterates also, Gray Demons kill Pica in oneshot.

Shut the hell up. Keep making us laugh.

OT : Pica solos the verse.

Luffy lolblitzes and one shots the fodder. If its current Luffy, internal Haki gg. Luffy neg diffs the SDS verse.

"us" you're by yourself, we're all laughing at you.

Luffy lolblitzes and one shots the fodder. If its current Luffy, internal Haki gg. Luffy neg diffs the SDS verse.

Zeldris stomps. Mismatch...