Luffy Vs Raditz

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radits oneshot's

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#4  Edited By bernie2020m4a

Raditz one-shots the verse, literally

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You should honestly be banned for you’re mismatches

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Raditz kills him in seconds

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Luffy due to better showing and consistent feat.

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Raditz is a statue to luffy.

He gets haxstomped.

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Toon force, minor reality warping, matter manipulation, ignores durability, regeneration and possible inmortality.

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@tunometecabrasa: some of these are plain wrong toon force that doesn't help in battle none of that help he has minor or low regen if you give him a fatal hit he will die doesn't ignore durability hit's your internal sayan charrs scale to their internals and he doesn't have immortality not even close when ever he uses any of his gear he stated himself he is shaving off his lifespan that's why he look's old after utilizing g5

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#13  Edited By Tunometecabrasa

@dogsrus:

Yeah no.

The toon force has helped him a lot of times in battle, in fact his battles are based on that alone.

Luffy was completely charred by kaido, and he just shook himself a little and regenerated.

He ignores durability via turning you into rubber, i wasn't talking about ryou.

Luffy was literally dead, and was revived by awakening his Nika powers seems like inmortality to me.

At no point is it mentioned or literally said that Luffy is losing years of life, that is what the characters think when they see what Luffy does thinking that he is a paramecia, but we know that Luffy is not a paramecia and is a Zoan , and Zoans can transform and their transformations do not have repercussions.

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Yeah no.

The toon force has helped him a lot of times in battle, in fact his battles are based on that alone.

name one situation when it has helped him beat someone stronger and decently haxed

Luffy was completely charred by kaido, and he just shook himself a little and regenerated.

he was completely charged his g4 transformation was no selling kaido's boro breath he did the same thing it's just his animated that makes it look otherwise

He ignores durability via turning you into rubber, i wasn't talking about ryou.

that doesn't ignore durability several people including kaido a known brick tanked it

Luffy was literally dead, and was revived by awakening his Nika powers seems like inmortality to me.

he didn't actually die tho he just fainted and it's shown by the fact that after his g5 transformation he faint's for three days due to the injuries he faced in the same fight

At no point is it mentioned or literally said that Luffy is losing years of life, that is what the characters think when they see what Luffy does thinking that he is a paramecia, but we know that Luffy is not a paramecia and is a Zoan , and Zoans can transform and their transformations do not have repercussions.

i never said years but he himself states that with his g2 transformation he is shaving off his lifespan and so is he doing the same with g3 and g4 because of his over utilization of haki and him forcefully pumping his blood faster in g2 g5 just showed what we already know

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Why does dragon ball get wanked?

Luffy kill his and it’s not even close

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#16  Edited By Tunometecabrasa

@dogsrus:

> name one situation when it has helped him beat someone stronger and decently haxed

Why this does matter?

Raditz does not have hax, he is a way slower kaido with 0 ways to defends himself against luffy abilities unlike kaido that has haki.

Luffy beat someone stronger than him, kaido.

> he was completely charged his g4 transformation was no selling kaido's boro breath he did the same thing it's just his animated that makes it look otherwise

Nope, the borobreath that tanked Luffy in G4 is way Weaker than the borobreath that complety charred luffy in G5, they arent even comparable, this one dwarf onigashima in size by several times.

> that doesn't ignore durability several people including kaido a known brick tanked it

Didnt know that turn your body into something else ignoring how hard it is, is not "ignoring durability"

If kaido can tank his body/internals turned into gum, thats a feat from him, Unfortunately Raditz does not have these feats.

> he didn't actually die tho he just fainted and it's shown by the fact that after his g5 transformation he faint's for three days due to the injuries he faced in the same fight

He DID die.

We are told that his "voice" disappeared.

When someone's presence or voice disappears it is because they die, this is explained in the manga.

> i never said years but he himself states that with his g2 transformation he is shaving off his lifespan and so is he doing the same with g3 and g4 because of his over utilization of haki and him forcefully pumping his blood faster in g2 g5 just showed what we already know.

This is a statement from ignorance.

Luffy does not know he is a Zoan, he said thats thinking he is a paramecia, and thinking that doing these things to his body would shorten his life span, but we know that Luffy is a Zoan, and these transformations are part of his Zoan fruit, which that means they don't have lifespan repercussions, the transformations just Exhaust him, because he uses stamina while using them, but thats all.

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@dogsrus:

> name one situation when it has helped him beat someone stronger and decently haxed

Why this does matter?

because it shows that it's not helpful in battle situations

Raditz does not have hax, he is a way slower kaido with 0 ways to defends himself against luffy abilities unlike kaido that has haki.

nope his durability is planetary compared to multicontinental at best do you know the difference in strength between them is in the millions for example being 10 times stronger than someone would allow you to literally splatter their body with a single punch radits dodged piccolos moon beam which reached the moon in seconds 2-3 seconds to be exact that alone is ls to ftl kid goku could dodge lazers and light

Luffy beat someone stronger than him, kaido.

no even before g5 he was just about even with kaido and this is a fatigued kaido after running several gauntlets and he still barely won more like a tie since they both fainted at the end

> he was completely charged his g4 transformation was no selling kaido's boro breath he did the same thing it's just his animated that makes it look otherwise

Nope, the borobreath that tanked Luffy in G4 is way Weaker than the borobreath that complety charred luffy in G5, they arent even comparable, this one dwarf onigashima in size by several times.

no the borobreath lg4 luffy tanked also dwarf and sent him flying through all of onigashima

> that doesn't ignore durability several people including kaido a known brick tanked it

Didnt know that turn your body into something else ignoring how hard it is, is not "ignoring durability"

it isn't thought if it was they would die the literally moment they were hit with it that's the point of dura ignoring attack they kill with oneshot unsurvivable when hit with

If kaido can tank his body/internals turned into gum, thats a feat from him, Unfortunately Raditz does not have these feats.

not a feat for him we know normal you hurts kaido meaning it's not any different at best especially kizaru and even lucci surviving it

> he didn't actually die tho he just fainted and it's shown by the fact that after his g5 transformation he faint's for three days due to the injuries he faced in the same fight

He DID die.

We are told that his "voice" disappeared.

yes fainted

When someone's presence or voice disappears it is because they die, this is explained in the manga.

not true he is still shown after g5 runs out to not have healed at all the injury that knocked him out is still their that's why he falls into a coma again because he never actually healed from it

> i never said years but he himself states that with his g2 transformation he is shaving off his lifespan and so is he doing the same with g3 and g4 because of his over utilization of haki and him forcefully pumping his blood faster in g2 g5 just showed what we already know.

This is a statement from ignorance.

Luffy does not know he is a Zoan, he said thats thinking he is a paramecia, and thinking that doing these things to his body would shorten his life span, but we know that Luffy is a Zoan, and these transformations are part of his Zoan fruit, which that means they don't have lifespan repercussions, the transformations just Exhaust him, because he uses stamina while using them, but thats all.

g2 is not something a normal zoan could do he just does so because he is luffy and knows how to use his df that's why it always lowers his stamina or life force and after over utilizing it the first time he literally couldn't move against lucci same thing for g4 and g5 which is why he always need's to eat after wards

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Raditz' durability means nothing since Luffy has multiple ways of bypassing that, all his energy attacks are getting bounced back at him, his physical attacks are not harming Luffy due to his DF, and Luffy is so much faster that Raditz is pretty much a statue compared to him.

So yeah, Luffy wins

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Luffy creams all over him

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Luffy one shots this poor fodder.

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@dogsrus:

> because it shows that it's not helpful in battle situations

Dude, if your really think this, You aint reading the manga correctly.

> nope his durability is planetary compared to multicontinental at best do you know the difference in strength between them is in the millions for example being 10 times stronger than someone would allow you to literally splatter their body with a single punch radits dodged piccolos moon beam which reached the moon in seconds 2-3 seconds to be exact that alone is ls to ftl kid goku could dodge lazers and light

Raditz isnt planetary starting there.

Kaido is moon level or higher just like raditz and all this is irrelevant because my argument was never about strength or AP since ir does not matter because Luffy ignores durability.

LS/FTL is Luffy's tier right at the beginning of the Time skip, literally fodder.

> no even before g5 he was just about even with kaido and this is a fatigued kaido after running several gauntlets and he still barely won more like a tie since they both fainted at the end.

??? We are talking about G5 not before that.

> no the borobreath lg4 luffy tanked also dwarf and sent him flying through all of onigashima.

You can't be serious.

I can't post scan because im in móvil, but no, they arent even comparable, G5 survived the most powerful borobreath so far.

> it isn't thought if it was they would die the literally moment they were hit with it that's the point of dura ignoring attack they kill with oneshot unsurvivable when hit with

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No, the point of duraneg is ignoring your defenses.

If your survive to the attacks or not, thats a matter if endurance

Duraneg does not mean automatic oneshot.

> not a feat for him we know normal you hurts kaido meaning it's not any different at best especially kizaru and even lucci surviving it

Okay, you are totally confused and you are not understanding anything.

Raditz literally DIE because he has a hole in his chest, which makes Picoro to him, meaning his resistance to wounds of that type is not that high.

However, we have WB who was able to continue fighting for a long time even with an injury similar to Raditz's, that means that WB has better resistance than Raditz.

Resistance/endurance and durability are not the same thing.

Resistance is how much damage You can take before dying or getting K.O

Durability is how hard your skin is.

This is important because what Luffy and any character who ignores durability does is make those types of wounds no matter how tough your skin or insides are.

Whether you resist it or not depends on the character's feats, and Raditz doesn't have anywhere near the feats to fight with all his organs damaged, nor with holes in his chest like WB.

> yes fainted

Dude if he had just fainted, Momo wouldnt said his voice dissapear...

> not true he is still shown after g5 runs out to not have healed at all the injury that knocked him out is still their that's why he falls into a coma again because he never actually healed from it

What? This does not make sense gramatically sapeaking.

> g2 is not something a normal zoan could do he just does so because he is luffy and knows how to use his df that's why it always lowers his stamina or life force and after over utilizing it the first time he literally couldn't move against lucci same thing for g4 and g5 which is why he always need's to eat after wards

This was already adressed dude, You are just repeating yourself.

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Luffy oneshot the fodder and solos the verse

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@dogsrus:

> because it shows that it's not helpful in battle situations

Dude, if your really think this, You aint reading the manga correctly.

nope he couldn't even oneshot kizaru or lucci

> nope his durability is planetary compared to multicontinental at best do you know the difference in strength between them is in the millions for example being 10 times stronger than someone would allow you to literally splatter their body with a single punch radits dodged piccolos moon beam which reached the moon in seconds 2-3 seconds to be exact that alone is ls to ftl kid goku could dodge lazers and light

Raditz isnt planetary starting there.

he is small planetary at least due to roshi destroying the moon which is small planetary

Kaido is moon level or higher just like raditz and all this is irrelevant because my argument was never about strength or AP since ir does not matter because Luffy ignores durability.

show me a single moon level feat without calcs right now

LS/FTL is Luffy's tier right at the beginning of the Time skip, literally fodder.

kid goku is millions of times slower than adult goku who has ftl feats

> no even before g5 he was just about even with kaido and this is a fatigued kaido after running several gauntlets and he still barely won more like a tie since they both fainted at the end.

??? We are talking about G5 not before that.

> no the borobreath lg4 luffy tanked also dwarf and sent him flying through all of onigashima.

You can't be serious.

sure

I can't post scan because im in móvil, but no, they arent even comparable, G5 survived the most powerful borobreath so far.

sure this isn't worth getting into

> it isn't thought if it was they would die the literally moment they were hit with it that's the point of dura ignoring attack they kill with oneshot unsurvivable when hit with

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No, the point of duraneg is ignoring your defenses.

no dura negation is an attack that completely by passes durability do you know what durability means and what negation means to negate durability is the equivalent of not having any durability or an attack that no matter how powerful or weak you are will always work

If your survive to the attacks or not, thats a matter if endurance

you can't survive dura neg tho that's the whole point

Duraneg does not mean automatic oneshot.

it does he doesn't have dura neg he did not negate anyone durability internals still have durability rubber still has durability etc

> not a feat for him we know normal you hurts kaido meaning it's not any different at best especially kizaru and even lucci surviving it

Okay, you are totally confused and you are not understanding anything.

Raditz literally DIE because he has a hole in his chest, which makes Picoro to him, meaning his resistance to wounds of that type is not that high.

no he died because he received a mortal wound anyone else including luffy would die to that sayans have higher endurance shown when goku gets a hole through his chest and continues to fight infact they have better endurance than luffy on average ultra ego shows that

However, we have WB who was able to continue fighting for a long time even with an injury similar to Raditz's, that means that WB has better resistance than Raditz.

no he barely got a hole through his chest and it didn't go all the way through goku has better endurance and so do all sayan in general

Resistance/endurance and durability are not the same thing.

Resistance is how much damage You can take before dying or getting K.O

Durability is how hard your skin is.

no it isn't durability is how much you can tank with out receiving damage in general doesn't matter if internal or external

This is important because what Luffy and any character who ignores durability does is make those types of wounds no matter how tough your skin or insides are.

nope your internals still have durability a punch from an ant wont destroy a human heart can it

Whether you resist it or not depends on the character's feats, and Raditz doesn't have anywhere near the feats to fight with all his organs damaged, nor with holes in his chest like WB.

all sayans do goku in the same arc no sold a hole through his chest

> yes fainted

Dude if he had just fainted, Momo wouldnt said his voice dissapear...

if he hadn't just fainted he would have died after utilizing g5 because he still would have had the mortal wounds since he didn't actually heal which is why he faints after g5 ends showing that he still didn't actually heal

> not true he is still shown after g5 runs out to not have healed at all the injury that knocked him out is still their that's why he falls into a coma again because he never actually healed from it

What? This does not make sense gramatically speaking.

after g5 ends he faint's retaining his prior injuries

> g2 is not something a normal zoan could do he just does so because he is luffy and knows how to use his df that's why it always lowers his stamina or life force and after over utilizing it the first time he literally couldn't move against lucci same thing for g4 and g5 which is why he always need's to eat after wards

This was already adressed dude, You are just repeating yourself.

it wasn't you stated it's because he is a zoan type their is no other zoan type that works the same way as him that's why even before his awakening he could utilize gears and lucci and macro do not have the same reaction when they go back to normal/ base

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He still solo the vers

Maybe IMU might win in EoS we’ll see

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@godlike_warrior: explain how ? He’s fodder

Even someone like jinbe would murder him

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@monkey_d_joe: Lmao. Raditz is moon+ level and Jinbei is barely countrt level

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Raditz one taps

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Oh boy Dragonball wank. Perfect.

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Oh boy Dragonball wank. Perfect.

What wank?

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