Wow with that logic I guess Luffy is just invincible and immortal if he takes no damage from like everything and can just resurrect him self with no limits even if he has literally no heart... yeah you keep on thinking that since with that line of thinking G5 Luffy soles the entire verse since he can't die... G5 Luffy has limits we see that especially with that Haki is effective, slashing is still somewhat effective, etc.
Luffy doesn’t solo his verse because Law and Kidd lack the efficient means to appropriately put down Luffy. Those are flaws Law and Kidd lack. Haki can circumvent Luffy’s own abilities, but that’s not something that applies to all. Just because Kaido has Haki potency to strain Luffy’s abilities which is a feat for him does not present those capabilities to Law and Kidd.
Cutting also being able to injure G5 Luffy is not a limit. No one said Luffy’s invulnerable as he very much can still get hurt, but those same “cutting” attacks which sliced through large parts of his limbs was reverted and never shown again. Hurting Luffy may not be an issue, creating lasting damage is. For Law and Kidd in particular.
Like yes I can get behind the fact that Luffy can "toon force" away damage but when your saying that he can do that to haki amped awakened devil fruits like Law and Kidd's especially with Law who has moves which can circumvent and damage Luffy regardless of his "toon force." As just like I said G5 Luffy isn't gonna toon force his heart back into his chest after getting his heart stolen and stabbed by Law. Nor is Luffy gonna be able to "toon force" away a cut made by Radio Knife which is explicitly made to combat characters who can ignore normal attacks and as I said Law is using haki with these abilities and he has his awakened Room's he can apply on top of his attacks.
What you said is just not true. Again, Luffy can revert back damage, resurrect from states of death, and recreate things from his own body. You keep saying “Haki-amped” but these Haki amped devil fruits are not as potent as you’re making it out to be, due to the fact the Haki itself is granting them the capabilities to override Gear 5 Luffy’s abilities, Kaido struggled in that regard.
Why can’t Luffy survive without his heart? Why can’t his heart just be reverted? Why can’t Luffy no-sell Law’s specific hax? You do know G5 Luffy projects a continuous outburst of Haki, which we see here and here, Haki easily strong enough to no-sell as the emperors did. There’s nothing other than the awakening move sets working on Luffy, but are ultimately cancelled out because Luffy’s abilities are that capable.
We need to stop saying things which actually don’t have substance. “Oda” by his own presentation of G5 Luffy enables Kidd and Law incapable of beating him UNLESS Kidd and Law have gotten strong enough, like Haki usage, or devil fruits that actually have relativity if not superiority over G5, narratively, an unlikely assumption. Law and Kidd couldn’t directly beat Big Mom, they had to BFR, with the bombs conveniently happening to be there solidifying their victory, but this isn’t going to play out like how it did against Big Mom. Luffy is more versatile and has abilities that allows him to stay in the fight even after everything they throw at him. This is a matchup problem.
For now, Luffy until we get some drawbacks/weaknesses/counters for Gear 5. But at the moment Gear 5 seems literally overpowered without necessary information.
1) Luffy doesn’t solo his verse because Law and Kidd lack the efficient means to appropriately put down Luffy.
OK so your saying things like Punture Wille, Shock Wille, Corna Dio, Damned Punk aren't gonna do much of anything since they "lack the efficient means to put down Luffy" Uh... you do realize those are some of the strongest attacks in the verse right now right? And you essentailly saying those aren't gonna be able to defeat Luffy or do much essentially means that yes Luffy would be able to solo his entire verse... so like your joking right? Please tell me your joking...
2) Haki can circumvent Luffy’s own abilities, but that’s not something that applies to all. Just because Kaido has Haki potency to strain Luffy’s abilities which is a feat for him does not present those capabilities to Law and Kidd.
Law (and presumably Kidd could aswell) literally replicated what Kaido and Big Mom did agaisnt him literally the next time we saw him using his haki... in fact Law is combating Blackbeard right now... Also then again you don't need the best haki out there you just need good enough haki which Law and Kid have and then on top of that they have powerful devil fruits along with them being awakened...
3) Why can’t Luffy survive without his heart? Why can’t his heart just be reverted? Why can’t Luffy no-sell Law’s specific hax?
You can’t be serious no one has no selled Mes/Scalpel it isn't like Shambles so just becuase you have strong Haki doesn't mean Law's devil fruit just ceases to function the ONLY things which have been unable to work on yonko is Shambles/Personality Transplant, and Amputate that's it. Every other move of Law's works.
Also it's laughable that you think Luffy can survive with his heart stolen what is Luffy gonna revert... is he gonna go back in time and stop his heart from being ripped out of his chest... nope, Luffy isn't gonna survive that... in fact he can't, Law's gonna Radio Knife Luffy’s heart and his drums are gonna cease... forever.
4) There’s nothing other than the awakening move sets working on Luffy, but are ultimately cancelled out because Luffy’s abilities are that capable.
Headcanon, delusional and in direct opposition of the manga... Non awakened attacks from Law and Kidd damaged Kaido and Big Mom things like Takt, Injection Shot, Gamma Knife, and Punk Vise, Corna Dio, Damned Punk, etc all damaged them through their powerful haki and devil fruit abilities... Luffy isn't as durable or strong as Kaido or Big Mom he's gonna be affected.
5) Law and Kidd couldn’t directly beat Big Mom, they had to BFR, with the bombs conveniently happening to be there solidifying their victory, but this isn’t going to play out like how it did against Big Mom. Luffy is more versatile and has abilities that allows him to stay in the fight even after everything they throw at him. This is a matchup problem.
And? Luffy isn't Big Mom why would them not defeating Big Mom matter... also Big Mom didn't go through an entire gauntlet of people like Kaido did. Law and Kid didn't have the wear and tear on Big Mom before their fight like Kaido did when agaisnt fighting against Luffy... also Luffy had multiple redos agaisnt Kaido while Law and Kid had to go and have a one and done fight to defeat defeat Big Mom with like no help.
The bombs didn't even defeat her she was still very much alive after getting hit by them point blank the bombs were there to have Big Mom unable to grab something to save herself from being dropped out of Onigashima the damage they dealt to Big Mom was practically negligible.
And yeah it is a match up problem G5 Luffy has nothing to combat Kidd's Assign in conjunction with Law's hax and followed by Kidd's pummeling.
And you STILL haven't given a reason why Radio Knife wouldn't be deadly to G5 Luffy or let alone half of Law's kit which you haven't provided a reason for how G5 Luffy could survive it.
"No tricks or powers will make you body attack itself together..." Law's Radio Knife (not even using an awakened Room) could already separate things with a slash (which Luffy is susceptible to) so unlike Demolition Gust from Kaido Law's Radio Knife isn't gonna be nulled by G5 Luffy's power's.
Also G5 Luffy can't be activated forever and G5 Luffy depowers from it akin to how he does with G4's time limit though less time would pass... also by the looks of things it's the sound of the heartbeat or the drum sound which allows Luffy to enter and stay in G5... and guess what Law can literally can just null the "drums" with RE-Room; Calm/Silence and Luffy would get depowered immediately as his mechanism (having the drums play and "hit that beat") no longer exists.
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Anyways Luffy loses he cannot deal with his TWO of his peers simultaneously and who also have experience fighting together already against a yonko no less.
OK so your saying things like Punture Wille, Shock Wille, Corna Dio, Damned Punk aren't gonna do much of anything since they "lack the efficient means to put down Luffy" Uh... you do realize those are some of the strongest attacks in the verse right now right? And you essentailly saying those aren't gonna be able to defeat Luffy or do much essentially means that yes Luffy would be able to solo his entire verse... so like your joking right? Please tell me your joking...
Jesus. You have a very bad understanding of reading and putting two and two together here Plague. Stop creating equivalencies that don’t exist. Who cares if they’re one of the strongest attacks we’ve seen, that is irrelevant to G5 Luffy undoing the damage down as he’s shown to do several times. You’re continuously creating this narrative that being “strong” is shutting G5 Luffy down entirely. Lemme me say this again: G5 Luffy reverts damage.
Law (and presumably Kidd could aswell) literally replicated what Kaido and Big Mom did agaisnt him literally the next time we saw him using his haki... in fact Law is combating Blackbeard right now... Also then again you don't need the best haki out there you just need good enough haki which Law and Kid have and then on top of that they have powerful devil fruits along with them being awakened...
Law does not have nearly as good potency as Big Mom and Kaido. Your point isn’t that relevant. Fighting Blackbeard isn’t relevant. The idea Law and Kidd have potent Haki to strain G5 Luffy is nothing more than baseless headcanon. I already showed you Kaido struggled to give Luffy long-lasting damage, a superior Haki users to both Law and Kidd.
You can’t be serious no one has no selled Mes/Scalpel it isn't like Shambles so just becuase you have strong Haki doesn't mean Law's devil fruit just ceases to function the ONLY things which have been unable to work on yonko is Shambles/Personality Transplant, and Amputate that's it. Every other move of Law's works.
Bruh. That’s not just “it” Law’s ability to heart snatch was rendered useless as well. The fact he never considered using it the same way he NEVER considered using Amputate (something you assumed was the case when Amputate was actually never demonstrated or utilized against the Emperors just as Scalpel was).
Also it's laughable that you think Luffy can survive with his heart stolen what is Luffy gonna revert... is he gonna go back in time and stop his heart from being ripped out of his chest... nope, Luffy isn't gonna survive that... in fact he can't, Law's gonna Radio Knife Luffy’s heart and his drums are gonna cease... forever.
Ah yes…because reverting your whole death isn’t enough to say he’s going to do the same under the idea his heart would be snatched…
Enough of this. Luffy’s drums won’t cease to exist because they can be functionally amped back up as shown when he legitimately reverted his state twice. One where his heart quite literally stopped, another where his heart was on the verge of, and gets immediately pumped back up. What does that tell us? Luffy’s heart works independent of his actual awareness, and can be reverted back to full strength once he gets going again. Law legit cannot stop Luffy’s heart even ASSUMING he bypasses his Haki defense.
Headcanon, delusional and in direct opposition of the manga... Non awakened attacks from Law and Kidd damaged Kaido and Big Mom things like Takt, Injection Shot, Gamma Knife, and Punk Vise, Corna Dio, Damned Punk, etc all damaged them through their powerful haki and devil fruit abilities... Luffy isn't as durable or strong as Kaido or Big Mom he's gonna be affected.
It gets reverted. You’re not actually addressing this fact but instead creating a false-equivalency between Kaido and Big Mom who does not have Luffy’s abilities and then under the impression they have strong haki enough to strain G5 Luffy something even Kaido failed to do. Blunt force and Attacks that bypass external defenses have shown to be effective against BM and Kaido. This isn’t surprising.
And? Luffy isn't Big Mom why would them not defeating Big Mom matter... also Big Mom didn't go through an entire gauntlet of people like Kaido did. Law and Kid didn't have the wear and tear on Big Mom before their fight like Kaido did when agaisnt fighting against Luffy... also Luffy had multiple redos agaisnt Kaido while Law and Kid had to go and have a one and done fight to defeat defeat Big Mom with like no help.
The bombs didn't even defeat her she was still very much alive after getting hit by them point blank the bombs were there to have Big Mom unable to grab something to save herself from being dropped out of Onigashima the damage they dealt to Big Mom was practically negligible.
And yeah it is a match up problem G5 Luffy has nothing to combat Kidd's Assign in conjunction with Law's hax and followed by Kidd's pummeling.
And you STILL haven't given a reason why Radio Knife wouldn't be deadly to G5 Luffy or let alone half of Law's kit which you haven't provided a reason for how G5 Luffy could survive it.
1.) Law and Kidd’s entire goal was to weaken Big Mom, this is legit implied by Kidd himself, even Big Mom notes her getting tired. I really don’t care what Luffy did against Kaido because it isn’t even relevant to Kidd and Law. Big Mom being in less fights is more bad on Kidd and Law’s part, not somehow relevant to Luffy vs Kaido. You’ve also just failed to completely read the points mentioned for Luffy, as yes Luffy isn’t Big Mom: He’s better. He has advanced precognitive abilities. He has damage reversal. He has battlefield manipulation. High output attacks. Self-empowerment by simply laughing (that means he can legit get stronger throughout the matchup), stamina replenishing. What in the world is Law and Kidd doing against all that? Seriously.
2.) Okay. The bombs didn’t defeat her, but it solidified Law and Kidd’s win condition is the point.
3.) A lot of Kidd’s arsenal is blunt force. Do I need to explain how legit INEFFECTIVE that is? Law’s hax is not putting down Luffy. You haven’t proved this. Not a single time.
4.) Plague, what in the world are you talking about. I gave a reason why ALL Law’s attacks wouldn’t matter, you’re just refusing to actually read which isn’t my problem.
Also G5 Luffy can't be activated forever and G5 Luffy depowers from it akin to how he does with G4's time limit though less time would pass... also by the looks of things it's the sound of the heartbeat or the drum sound which allows Luffy to enter and stay in G5... and guess what Law can literally can just null the "drums" with RE-Room; Calm/Silence and Luffy would get depowered immediately as his mechanism (having the drums play and "hit that beat") no longer exists.
Law cannot “null” the drums, no. The drums aren’t activated by a sign of noise, its just a byproduct of the heartbeart, what matters is that the heart is bumping in the first place. Besides, Law‘s room doesn’t have any counter to Reality warping like Luffy’s, as Road To Laugh Tale mentions, Luffy alters reality to manipulate the sound around him, confined space or not (the former being what Room is) Luffy can always just give sound a medium.
So even assuming the drums of liberation works like that, Law’s Re-Room is rendered ineffective.
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