Luffy vs Law & Kidd

Vs

Win by any means

Current

Location rooftop

Round 2

Unlimited stamina for team

@Laufyrn @pics @Naruno @shirso @gdara @Wushu59 @Zeds

Law and kidd. The gears put a big strain on Luffy and Law is the king of internal hax.

@kgb725: These 2 are not practically durable and luffy has Ryou also far faster than both and it’s taking these 2 against a weaker emperor while luffy is battling Kaido alone add he has future sight in better Haki.

I’m tempted to say Luffy 2 shots then honestly

The one 1v1-ing a Yonko.

They fought Big Mom and Kaido too while right next to Luffy. Law even tanked the hit that babyshaked Gear 4 Luffy. Luffy was the one who got knocked out like 3 different times while Law and Kidd haven't had any rest since then. And based on what is BM weaker ? Even Kaido admitted that Law's DF is powerful and could hurt him

@allhellkingdox: luffy isn’t faster than them. Big mom and Kaido are equal in strength.

Law can best luffy solo if we being honest

@kgb725: They we’re all support Never we’re any of them Kaido direct opponent and we saw how base Kaido stomped kid and his crew so bringing up beginning wano luffy is irrelevant. Kaido admitted law DF could hurt him so? Luffy has hurt him in base and the speed gap is to large one ryou punch kills either of these fools future sight + superior speed makes law essentially useless.

It was 5 vs 2 Yonko they weren't playing support. They were all doing their strongest attacks and they were scared of Zoro who's weaker than luffy. Luffy isn't Kaido nor is he Big Mom. Law just smacked Big Mom with an attack that even had Kaido in awe. Luffy isn't faster and one Gamma knife will end the fight. There is literally 0 counter to Shambles and Kidd's awakening

Ngl,Luffy just blitzes them.Meme is a slow ass who cant even dodge 1 attack,unlike Luffy who is fast and has FS on top of that

@kgb725: They we’re playing support Luffy and Zorro we’re the main offensive line big mom was scared of Zorro attack and after Kaido went hybrid Zorro attacks could only give him tiny cuts come on now, Luffy in his based has been matching Kaido speed and power and blooding him with every attack, law or kid doesn’t have the durability to take 1 punch with ryou on it.

Gamma knife is never landing and Luffy isn’t faster? Based off what is law and Kid on Luffy’s speed tier Shambles is useless against someone who has superior haki Law has explained this multiple times. Kid’s awakening ain’t doing jackshit to Luffy who durability > Kid damage output and his elasticity. Law has only ever caught big slow mom with his awakening attack when she was immobilized or off guard, Luffy having future sight immediately see’s where he’s going to attack and dodge accordingly one Red roc punch to the head explodes they’re brains.

Luffy stomps

Let take a look

Luffy has ACoC

Luffy has ACoA

Luffy has FS

Luffy is one of the fastest Chars in the Verse

Luffy is fighting a not 100% fresh WSC on even grounds

Kidd and Law were only able to land hits with off-guard or sneakattacks

Meme neither has FS,neither shes fast.In fact,shes piss slow.

Law or Kidd will NEVER land even 1 hit against Luffy.

While 1 or 2 Red Rocs takes both out

Luffy definitely has the feats to win here but via intent, Law + Kidd should take it in an extreme-diff fight.

Luffy takes it

if Luffy defeats Kaido by himself then he would defeat Kidd and Law as well, otherwise definitely no since Kidd and Law defeated Big Mom who is a bigger threat than Luffy and they are always being put on equal grounds with Luffy, same with Sabo

Luffy takes it

Unlike big mom who fights like a tank and doesn't bother to dodge luffy is the opposite he would avoid alot of hits from them while ravaging their insides and exterior with ryuo +adv coC and with fs he's not getting caught off guard by laws hax or any surprise attacks

I think Law and Kidd win, 1v1 Luffy dominates either

Luffy can win 1v1.

But Law & Kidd win here with Law being the winning piece. If Law uses combination of shambles + k-room, its over, with Kidd defending him.

kid is kinda useless i don't see his attacks hurting luffy

who is tanking and deflecting hits from kaido in base

law is the problem here but luffy has future sight so he can easily avoid attacks like kroom

gear4 luffy probably takes this , or stalemate hopefully luffy gets a new gear then he mid diffs

Law and Kidd, but it isn't easy. Oda went through some trouble to show Big Mom and Kaido are relative equals. People could at least respect that. Kaido is stronger, but not by miles.

ACoC GG

Big Mom has been focusing on Kidd during the duration of the fight, allowing Law to using Kroom on her from behind... Twice! That's a dumb mistake for someone who told Kaido to dodge a mere slash from Zoro. They are lucky that Big Mom is taking their attacks, rather than dodging it. Doffy's fight with Law has shown that even though his fruit is OP, you can beat him with superior stats, which Luffy has. None of them would be able to touch Snakeman.

I'm tempted to say that Law and Kidd win due to Law actually knowing how Luffy fights and what not

But then I realized that Luffy went through other training without Law actually being there to see it happen and Luffy is faster than both of them and has more strength and durability than both of them and Luffy can use ACoO properly now and if not that he has great reaction speed and arguably if Luffy hits both of them with ACoC or Ryou they both are going down.

Hybrid Kaido >> Bigger mom in strength durability and speed

Luffy gets folded

Luffy blitz

Luffy isn't soloing two of his peers put together.

The fact the two of them outsmarted a yonkou instead of beat one with brute force makes me think Luffy is superior... But it depends on how the final battle plays out

Law and Kidd for now, but that could change as we see continue Luffy's fight with Kaido.

Luffy stomps the arguments in favor for Law and Kid are weak. “They are his peers hurr durr” “They defeated big mom”

1. Them being his peers mean jackshit when they’re actually feats are not holding up Hybrid Kaido durability >> bigger mom and luffy is making him bleed and gush blood with every attack.

2. Big mom is much slower less durable and much more dumb then Luffy and luffy would clap Big mom alone anyways.

Luffy is faster and nothing these to shows suggests they would survive a single ryou attack from luffy at all one head shot would scramble law brains also future sight pretty much makes law useless luffy knowing he’s more dangerous takes him out first and easy at that.

gear 5 should high diff them.

If Luffy truly has emperor tier haki and can't be teleported around by Law's Room, then he claps. He'll be too hard to hit

They cant put down Luffy.

Luffy stretches them.

@ssjosephstalin said:

@plaguedocter: I wouldn't claim law and kid are same tier as Luffy unless law beats Blackbeard. But I still don't think he's beating two admiral level characters.

@plaguedocter:

They cannot put down Luffy. G5 completely allows Luffy to revert damage making Law’s attacks virtually useless. Kidd’s awakening doesn’t override anything but making Luffy easier to hit, which again is useless if Luffy reverts his physical state.

They can’t overcome Luffy’s abilities that carry out far more versatility than Big Mom’s and are better suited.

Luffy wins. Gear 5 is too much

Logic tells me team should high diff, but by feats luffy should win.

G5 is completely unknown to the team so any knowledge they had about luffys abilities is essentially useless here.

Advanced conquers haki is also a huge advantage for luffy. Luffys bajang gun would devastate the team.

Law isn't shambling luffy at all, and while things like radio knives would do noticeable damage, luffys much faster and honestly more durable.

@pics said:

1) They cannot put down Luffy. G5 completely allows Luffy to revert damage making Law’s attacks virtually useless.

That's not how that works Law if Law removes his heart, uses Radio Knife or whatever with his devil fruit powers (Law also has Haki and uses a sword so Law can definitely deal lasting damage even through G5). Also Luffy's ability to "revert damage" can't just teleport his heart back into his body if Law removes it nor can it save him agaisnt a haki amped Radio Knife (which specifically is used to stop characters from regenerating despite their powers) or Mes/Scalpel to remove G5 Luffy's heart (it even affected Logia's like Smoker knocking him out after being used). And that's just SOME of Law's kit and that's ignoring both his K-Room and RE-Room which augment his powers substantially.

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And as I said this is only a small amount of what Law can do.

2) Kidd’s awakening doesn’t override anything but making Luffy easier to hit, which again is useless if Luffy reverts his physical state.

Haki can damage G5 Luffy and Kidd should be able to break Luffy's bones with a Corna Dio. As for Assign it is perfect to be used in conjunction with Law as it would hinder G5 Luffy more than Big Mom and by hindering him it would allow Law to land his more devastating attacks and maybe even drop Luffy immediately like with his Mes (scalpel).

Remember they have devastating attacks and techniques:

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3) They can’t overcome Luffy’s abilities that carry out far more versatility than Big Mom’s and are better suited.

They can overcome Luffy though with their devil fruits (which are awakened) and haki. And you act as if Law isn't also very versatile and we haven’t even seen all of what Law and Kid can do.

Anyways the team can take down Luffy as Kidd could use Assign heavily hindering Luffy then Law follows up with Mes or an awakened move and G5 Luffy is HEAVILY damaged. Or Law could use Shambles shifting Kidd's scrap and Kidd himself and have Kidd use Corna Dio up close to deal HEAVY damage. Then Kid and Law always have their Damned Punk and Puncture Wille for even stronger attacks.

That's not how that works Law if Law removes his heart, uses Radio Knife or whatever with his devil fruit powers (Law also has Haki and uses a sword so Law can definitely deal lasting damage even through G5). Also Luffy's ability to "revert damage" can't just teleport his heart back into his body if Law removes it nor can it save him agaisnt a haki amped Radio Knife (which specifically is used to stop characters from regenerating despite their powers) or Mes/Scalpel to remove G5 Luffy's heart (it even affected Logia's like Smoker knocking him out after being used). And that's just SOME of Law's kit and that's ignoring both his K-Room and RE-Room which augment his powers substantially.

Huh? You don’t know how that works. Law isn’t forcing Luffy’s heart at all, and even assuming that happens, that is irrelevant to Luffy legitimately having his own revival capabilities. The idea that Law’s Haki would give G5 Luffy “long-lasting damage” is purely laughable. Law doesn’t have that potency, as Kaido himself struggled to actually give G5 Luffy long-lasting damage. It’s absolutely absurd to compare Smoker getting effected to Gear 5 Luffy, characters on separate tiers and different abilities. Law has nothing on Luffy. His hax cannot keep Luffy down.

Haki can damage G5 Luffy and Kidd should be able to break Luffy's bones with a Corna Dio. As for Assign it is perfect to be used in conjunction with Law as it would hinder G5 Luffy more than Big Mom and by hindering him it would allow Law to land his more devastating attacks and maybe even drop Luffy immediately like with his Mes (scalpel).

Breaks Luffy bones and does what exactly? Luffy has reversed himself from literal death, and arguably broken bones when he legit died to Kaido. The damage being done to Luffy is not as significant as you’re making it out to be. Assign is not going to hinder Luffy more than Big Mom, for reasons like blunt force being inefficient, while Luffy having the ability to change the surrounding area to his bodies properties allowing to redirect himself if need be, this is then ignoring Luffy’s possession of future sight that would only make Luffy adapt his abilities further.

@pics: Wow with that logic I guess Luffy is just invincible and immortal if he takes no damage from like everything and can just resurrect him self with no limits even if he has literally no heart... yeah you keep on thinking that since with that line of thinking G5 Luffy soles the entire verse since he can't die... G5 Luffy has limits we see that especially with that Haki is effective, slashing is still somewhat effective, etc.

Oh and Law didn't just use Mes/Scalpel on Smoker he also used it on Doffy (Someone who should have superior Haki) but Doffy grabbed Law's hand to stop Law from removing his heart or blocked it as Law just couldn't land it cleanly. Also you brought no counter to Radio Knife's abilities which could even be stronger by Law using either K-Room or RE-Room which improve Law's abilities substantially.

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Like yes I can get behind the fact that Luffy can "toon force" away damage but when your saying that he can do that to haki amped awakened devil fruits like Law and Kidd's especially with Law who has moves which can circumvent and damage Luffy regardless of his "toon force." As just like I said G5 Luffy isn't gonna toon force his heart back into his chest after getting his heart stolen and stabbed by Law. Nor is Luffy gonna be able to "toon force" away a cut made by Radio Knife which is explicitly made to combat characters who can ignore normal attacks and as I said Law is using haki with these abilities and he has his awakened Room's he can apply on top of his attacks.

OT: Kidd uses Assign... the Law does some surgery with Kidd following up with a good tenderizing and Luffy becomes a well done steak... Luffy cannot take on both Kidd and Law and Oda certainly doesn't think so either. Law and Kidd can break Big Mom’s bones whose physicals are superior to Luffy (also mind youI haven't even touched on the entirety of what Law and Kidd could could do with their abilties).

Anyways that'll be all for now.

Law is capable of fighting blackbeard and his crew solo Luffy isn't stomping anything my boy.

Shambles worked on Doflamingo repeatedly it will work on luffy. Future sight is nothing more than a possibility. He doesn't hit harder than a yonko don't know why you're acting like Luffy is the hardest hitter in universe

Law and Kid obviously aren’t losing to Luffy in-universe as a team.

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if they can beat a yonko 2v1, they can beat a (somewhat) weaker yonko in-luffy

"big meme goofs around a lot"

and luffy doesn't? lol

my opinion = fax

ur opinion = creditless

As far as alive characters are concerned only Akainu and Dragon can 1v2 Kid and Law

law and kid ain't loosing to normal luffy by verse portrayal

But by same verse portrayal they ain't beating Sun god nika/joyboy which g5 luffy is.

So they beat g4 luffy as a team.. but they both become a g5 victim.

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By feats they are barely or not even beating base luffy tbh

Luffys battle iq is far higher than bigmeme ..like she never once used adv coC haki attacks on either pirate despite how much of a threat they were to her but the moron had no problem using it on fodder page one🤦‍♂️

Base Luffy is faster by feats as he could react and counter attack to a thunderbagua blitz from hybrid kaido whereas law failed to do so.

Luffy also abuses speed and would use Fs to boost further if necessary

And ryuo is also there ..

Law and kid gat no feats they can withstand adv coC +ryuo hit combo as they never took such from either yonko and with luffys speed+fs he's definitely landing more hits on them than they would on him.

This could go either way. I bet on Luffy.

Could go both ways. If Luffy is fully motivated and focused and goes all out he could win, but I feel like he would more often lose.

Extreme diff either way

@plaguedocter:

Wow with that logic I guess Luffy is just invincible and immortal if he takes no damage from like everything and can just resurrect him self with no limits even if he has literally no heart... yeah you keep on thinking that since with that line of thinking G5 Luffy soles the entire verse since he can't die... G5 Luffy has limits we see that especially with that Haki is effective, slashing is still somewhat effective, etc.

Luffy doesn’t solo his verse because Law and Kidd lack the efficient means to appropriately put down Luffy. Those are flaws Law and Kidd lack. Haki can circumvent Luffy’s own abilities, but that’s not something that applies to all. Just because Kaido has Haki potency to strain Luffy’s abilities which is a feat for him does not present those capabilities to Law and Kidd.

Cutting also being able to injure G5 Luffy is not a limit. No one said Luffy’s invulnerable as he very much can still get hurt, but those same “cutting” attacks which sliced through large parts of his limbs was reverted and never shown again. Hurting Luffy may not be an issue, creating lasting damage is. For Law and Kidd in particular.

Like yes I can get behind the fact that Luffy can "toon force" away damage but when your saying that he can do that to haki amped awakened devil fruits like Law and Kidd's especially with Law who has moves which can circumvent and damage Luffy regardless of his "toon force." As just like I said G5 Luffy isn't gonna toon force his heart back into his chest after getting his heart stolen and stabbed by Law. Nor is Luffy gonna be able to "toon force" away a cut made by Radio Knife which is explicitly made to combat characters who can ignore normal attacks and as I said Law is using haki with these abilities and he has his awakened Room's he can apply on top of his attacks.

What you said is just not true. Again, Luffy can revert back damage, resurrect from states of death, and recreate things from his own body. You keep saying “Haki-amped” but these Haki amped devil fruits are not as potent as you’re making it out to be, due to the fact the Haki itself is granting them the capabilities to override Gear 5 Luffy’s abilities, Kaido struggled in that regard.

Why can’t Luffy survive without his heart? Why can’t his heart just be reverted? Why can’t Luffy no-sell Law’s specific hax? You do know G5 Luffy projects a continuous outburst of Haki, which we see here and here, Haki easily strong enough to no-sell as the emperors did. There’s nothing other than the awakening move sets working on Luffy, but are ultimately cancelled out because Luffy’s abilities are that capable.

We need to stop saying things which actually don’t have substance. “Oda” by his own presentation of G5 Luffy enables Kidd and Law incapable of beating him UNLESS Kidd and Law have gotten strong enough, like Haki usage, or devil fruits that actually have relativity if not superiority over G5, narratively, an unlikely assumption. Law and Kidd couldn’t directly beat Big Mom, they had to BFR, with the bombs conveniently happening to be there solidifying their victory, but this isn’t going to play out like how it did against Big Mom. Luffy is more versatile and has abilities that allows him to stay in the fight even after everything they throw at him. This is a matchup problem.