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Dangai Ichigo Vs Wano Kuni Luffy
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Luffy mid diff at worst
Luffy mid diff at worst
How? Luffy would be country+ at this point, but Dangai Ichigo is relative to True Shikai, who scales above Kenpachi's meteor feat, could semi fight an extremely casual Yhwach, and is transcendent. He scales above Adult Toshiro, and is likely around the level of Bankai Kenpachi
Unless you believe in multi-continental Hody Jones, how does Ichigo not stomp?
If Luffy is composite/current, he wins, but otherwise, I'm not sure. The problem with Dangai Ichigo is that in this anime with the haxy, exotic powers, Ichigo the protag has the most straightforward powerset of all of them. And Dangai is probably the most straightforward version of Ichigo. All of that plays into Luffy's favor.
Current Luffy wins here, ignoring the downplayers/wankers of course.
What makes you think you have to downplay or wank to get Luffy to win?
From what I've seen Luffy is large island to country level same as Dangai Ichigo.
What feat gets Luffy to country level in your book.
I find that hard to believe when characters like a casual Urahara have a small-country lvl feat in CFYOW, and the same novel notes that base Aizen (and Yama) was superior in Reiatsu to even EoS Captains like Shunsui or Byakuya. Add the multiple powerups Aizen got from the Hougyoku + the fact that his strongest attack still got one-shotted by Ichigo's swing, and large country for Dangai Ichigo would be the minimum here (without getting into scaling from Kenpachi).
What feat gets Luffy to country level in your book.
He seems to be equal to Kaido, who one shot gear 4 Luffy, who was already seemingly island level, and Kaido was able to casually lift an island, which should be large island level at least. I personally don't have Luffy island level yet, I think large island is more solid, but he could be small country level.
... large island to country level same as Dangai Ichigo.
I find that hard to believe when characters like a casual Urahara have a small-country lvl feat in CFYOW, and the same novel notes that base Aizen (and Yama) was superior in Reiatsu to even EoS Captains like Shunsui or Byakuya. Add the multiple powerups Aizen got from the Hougyoku + the fact that his strongest attack still got one-shotted by Ichigo's swing, and large country for Dangai Ichigo would be the minimum here (without getting into scaling from Kenpachi).
What small country level feat does Urahara have?
Ichigo in this state easily scales to continental tier in this state.
Luffy is not on this level yet. He loses.
... large island to country level same as Dangai Ichigo.
I find that hard to believe when characters like a casual Urahara have a small-country lvl feat in CFYOW, and the same novel notes that base Aizen (and Yama) was superior in Reiatsu to even EoS Captains like Shunsui or Byakuya. Add the multiple powerups Aizen got from the Hougyoku + the fact that his strongest attack still got one-shotted by Ichigo's swing, and large country for Dangai Ichigo would be the minimum here (without getting into scaling from Kenpachi).
What small country level feat does Urahara have?
He used a chantless Hado 99 to instantly evaporate an ocean made by Aura out of the atmosphere above Karakura. Got calculated at almost 1 teraton, and that was for just 2 of the 5 dragons he created with the Hado (the other 3 were protecting him, Hisagi, and that Vizard loli IIRC).
And again, this was without the chant, which, going by Aizen's chantless Hado 90 against Komamura, won't even release 1/3 of the power that Hado could have with the chant.
Luffy mid diff at worst
How? Luffy would be country+ at this point, but Dangai Ichigo is relative to True Shikai, who scales above Kenpachi's meteor feat, could semi fight an extremely casual Yhwach, and is transcendent. He scales above Adult Toshiro, and is likely around the level of Shikai Kenpachi w/o his eyepatch
Unless you believe in multi-continental Hody Jones, how does Ichigo not stomp?
Luffy is large country in base form as he's matching and throwing hands with hybrid kaido who scales above country lvl+ feats And characters
From my Understanding of bleach
Shikai kenny =country lvl+ via meteor feat
He's higher without eyepatch TO AN UNKNOWN DEGREE and still higher in bankai TO AN UNKNOWN DEGREE
^and basically dangai scale to bankai kenny .I don't know where continental+ is coming from just because he scales much above a country lvl +feat
I can literally do same for luffy as base luffy is large country <g2<g3<g4
So at the end g4 luffy and dangai ichigo are much above country lvl + to an unknown degree
But if you wanna say ichigo is solid at continental + via multipliers and want it to be accepted then it's only fair for you to accept all of luffys multipliers
Luffy mid diff at worst
How? Luffy would be country+ at this point, but Dangai Ichigo is relative to True Shikai, who scales above Kenpachi's meteor feat, could semi fight an extremely casual Yhwach, and is transcendent. He scales above Adult Toshiro, and is likely around the level of Shikai Kenpachi w/o his eyepatch
Unless you believe in multi-continental Hody Jones, how does Ichigo not stomp?
Luffy is large country in base form as he's matching and throwing hands with hybrid kaido who scales above country lvl+ feats And characters
From my Understanding of bleach
Shikai kenny =country lvl+ via meteor feat
He's higher without eyepatch TO AN UNKNOWN DEGREE and still higher in bankai TO AN UNKNOWN DEGREE
The very first time we are introduced to Bankai, it is stated to be a 5-10x multiplier, it has been stated that multiple times since, thus Bankai Kenny would country+ x 10, which is within the range of small continental, that's not including the eyepatch boost
^and basically dangai scale to bankai kenny .I don't know where continental+ is coming from just because he scales much above a country lvl +feat
I can literally do same for luffy as base luffy is large country <g2<g3<g4
So at the end g4 luffy and dangai ichigo are much above country lvl + to an unknown degree
But if you wanna say ichigo is solid at continental + via multipliers and want it to be accepted then it's only fair for you to accept all of luffys multipliers
But Luffy doesn't have quantifiable multipliers, we don't know how much stronger he gets with each gear, unlike Bankai
You don't need multipliers to get Dangai Ichigo to Continental and above considering he bitchslapped Ultrafragor LMAO
I can't keep up with all these wierd jumps in stats for no reason at All.
Go read Gear & Shirso's recent CaV, that's where these people are basing off their country and above-level meta for people like Luffy and others, lol.
Never Saw The CAV, What argument did he use??
Never Saw The CAV, What argument did he use??
Lots of scaling from several feats, that is all. It's a nice read though, well-argued even if I don't agree with it.
@faradaysloth: link
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