In character / At strongest / Speed equalized
Victory by any means
i would say Lucius, due to Hax. Zeref hasn't shown any resistances to mind manipulation.
also it was also shown he can see a couple seconds in the future so knowing that I don't believe that Zeref has a win con other then time stop which in my opinion would be kinda useless.
Edit: just seen speed equalized, answer is the same due to precog.
@lichgod3: More like a few months, possibly years. Adrammelech implied that Lucius knew exactly how the whole Spade Arc would play out.
@lichgod3: More like a few months, possibly years. Adrammelech implied that Lucius knew exactly how the whole Spade Arc would play out.
makes sense, I agree to that.
@ones_and_twos: Exactly! I do wonder what Adrammelech is currently up to now tho?
Are people actually that delusional into thinking that Lucius beats Zeref? Lol, not even close. Look, I haven't watched Black Clover, but I have seen their scaling, and they cap at continental at best. I've been seeing many Lucius battles lately, but he does have special hax and abilities, but he doesn't have the means to beat the Fairy Tail verse.
Lucius would be long dead before reaching the end of the verse while attempting to solo.
Are people actually that delusional into thinking that Lucius beats Zeref? Lol, not even close. Look, I haven't watched Black Clover
Not sure how you gonna say that, then immediately follow it up with this.
@lichvanastrea: I'll tell you this. From what I have seen, they're continental at best. Other than that, they have magic abilities and a ton of hax, but still doesn't solo FT.
@kingogkings777: he really doesn’t? For one… how does he work around Lucius’ magic?
@kingogkings777: he really doesn’t? For one… how does he work around Lucius’ magic?
Time manip resistance is cause of ultear and his time magic being stronger than hers. For soul stuff you got him resisting Larcade and Rreanmalths soul magic manip shit.
@kingogkings777: how does any of that helps him with time loop, time steal, binding and time annihilation? Lucius has a more robust move of time ability than just time stop.
Not to mention his soul magic… his soul manipulation literally grants him mental prowess, incarnation and the ability to interfere with the very nature of the enemies magic..etc (a simple tap is enough for an incapacitation honestly)?
He literally gave Lily a near invincible body and imparted great wisdom on her. His power is no joke and he’ll always be one step a head of Zeref due to FS+teleportation.
how does any of that helps him with time loop, time steal, binding and time annihilation? Lucius has a more robust move of time ability than just time stop.
Doesn't mean anything to Zeref since he controls space and time.
Not to mention his soul magic… his soul manipulation literally grants him mental prowess, incarnation and the ability to interfere with the very nature of the enemies magic..etc (a simple tap is enough for an incapacitation honestly)?
This was pointed out in the previous reply. Zeref has resistance due to Larcade and Reanmalth.
He literally gave Lily a near invincible body and imparted great wisdom on her. His power is no joke and he’ll always be one step a head of Zeref due to FS+teleportation.
Nearly immortal so no not invincible.
In order for Lucius to mind-fuck her, he has to affect her soul first. zeref has high resistances to steal/soul erase, I don't see how that works. In addition, the techniques of time do not work vs the black wizard.
Gonna give this a bump
Zeref is the stronger of the two by a significant amount, Lucius is obviously faster, They both have Time hax, Lucius has soul manip but Zeref has resistance to it, Zeref has deathmagic which Lucius should be able to resist as it works similar to soul magic but that's debatable, Lucius can't put Zeref down while Zeref can put him down.
Zeref wins here as his AP advntage allows him to take Lucius out with just a few hits and his immortality keeps him in the fight for as long as he needs the only advantage Lucius has is speed (which doesn't even matter cause speed is equal here) but if his main form of attack isn't working then just zipping around isn't going to accomplish much.
I got to say, when I made this match-up a year ago, i really thought it was a good match. But as Lucius got more feats, I no longer think this is the case. His ability to just produce more of himself and even create Paladins from scratch while granting them the abilities from the Supreme Devils is absurdly broken. It turns this fight from a 1 vs 1 into a 20+ vs 1.
@ones_and_twos said:
I got to say, when I made this match-up a year ago, i really thought it was a good match. But as Lucius got more feats, I no longer think this is the case. His ability to just produce more of himself and even create Paladins from scratch while granting them the abilities from the Supreme Devils is absurdly broken. It turns this fight from a 1 vs 1 into a 20+ vs 1.
I do get your point but at the same time, it doesn't really matter how much more paladins or clones he creates since they can't actually do anything to Zeref. Their main form of attack is soul manipulation and Zeref has resistance to that... and they aren't physically strong enough to do anything to Zeref the AP gap is so wide that Zeref might staright up one shot any of them if he lands a hit, the only advantage they have is speed here and that's not going to help them when they literally can't do anything relevant to Zeref, Zeref also has death hax that can kill immortals so even if he can't tag them he could just use AOE or surround him self in a death sphere.
I'd honestly love to CAV Lucius vs Zeref but I don't see many BC debaters on this site SMH
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