Lucius Zogratis ( Black clover) vs Ragna (Ragna crimson)

Who wins?

The stronger Asta

Lucius gets the Artemisia's treatment but without the time rewind auto-immortality hax

@basarayuuto: Is Ragna fast enough to blitz lucius?

@orientalwarrior: If he's not above him then he's comparable at very least.

In addition his Silver Aura aka anti-magic, that freezes, cuts and shatters magic and its users, is passive. If Lucius tries to even lay a finger on a sleeping Ragna he would get his hand frozen solid and falling into pieces like a glass. With his time and soul magic frozen and shattered aswell.

Ragna's AoE is also huge. At only BOS he frozen a large island, city eater, living dragonic forest just by releasing his Aura and few times later he shattered a whole dimension made by the former Dragon King of Wings at his peak. This Dragon King scales way higher than the "current" King of Wings, Artemisia, that can time freeze and rewind the entire world many times. Yes, Ragna has also nullified this level of Time Manipulation and now he's totally immune to it. And in his Silver Comet form he was pulling out country sized AoE. Meaning Lucius and his magic cannot escape from the range of his Silver Aura battle arts.

@basarayuuto: wow. Then, he definitely beats lucius. What would be his chances against Asta?

@basarayuuto: How fast is Ragna? He needs to be well into the MFTL range to be comparable to or above Lucius in speed.

@darkveiled: Yes, pretty much.

Here is the respect thread:

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/respect-ragna-the-reaper-ragna-crimson-2248203/

It's a bit outdated since new informations came out or was discovered.

@basarayuuto: I don't see any speed feats that Lucius couldn't handle, so I'm still unsure why Ragna would be comparable or faster.

Then you didn't pay attention.

@basarayuuto: I read the entire thing it scales past 33.4x the Speed of Light which isn't enough.

I told you didn't pay attention or maybe you choose to ignore basically the 90% of the thread. The whole 33.4x SoL was a near death, exhausted and massively holding back Ragna.

In his Silver Comet mode he statues the same Ragna who would blitz a healty, holding back Ragna who would blitz the 33.4x SoL Ragna. MFTL.

Lucius can become MFTL++++ or whatever but it would be useless since his magic arsenal won't work on Ragna, and trying to just touch him would end with the Magic Emperor turned into a piece of broken glass alongside with his magic as a whole.

@basarayuuto: Blitzing someone who's 33.4x the speed of light isn't enough to scale to Lucius. I haven't ignored anything. There just wasn't anything to suggest Ragna would be faster.

I can show a 95x Speed of Light calc for Mereolona and then show Asta outpacing her by a decent amount. Not only does this make the floor triple what you've shown, but this happens to be Asta two-time skips before Lucius was introduced, and it was base Asta.

@darkveiled:

Blitzing someone who's 33.4x the speed of light isn't enough to scale to Lucius. I haven't ignored anything. There just wasn't anything to suggest Ragna would be faster.

...I see you keep ignoring things. How many times i have to repeat myself?

@basarayuuto: I haven't ignored anything. Being injured or tired hardly matters; Asta fights all of his battles like this.

@darkveiled: You keep telling me you didn't ignore anything but still you came out with souch sentences, like are you serious?

'Being injured or tired hardly matters' ...this is a bad downplay of Ragna's conditions at that time. He was almost fainting, was close to death and was massively holding back every single power from his Future self. It's stated right there, in the thread you choose to ignore or speedread.
That Ragna is a statue compared to his healty form, who is a statue for his Silver Aura battle arts form, same Ragna that scales to a Dragonified V1 Woltekamui, x8 boost, and that Ragna blitzed the hell out of this Woltekamui. Then you have Dragonified V2 Kamui that gets another x8 boost at very least, since Kamui is a special case in the tier of the Superior Dragons...in addition he amped his stats even more with 120% boost granted by the Heaven Divider Godspeed. Silver Comet Ragna was about to take him down. Then Kamui got another HUGE boost that dwarfed his previous V2 120% form, and still Ragna was reacting to him.

I heard people calced his latest speed feats thousands of times SoL...or was it millions?

@basarayuuto:

I'm not downplaying anything. You're just not adding anything that doesn't apply to every verse. What Shonen MC hasn't fought near death, on the verge of fainting?

As for this weird calculation stacking/blitz stacking, you can do this for every verse and get insane numbers.

@basarayuuto:

Ragna takes about 6 microseconds to charge his attack to then blitz.

Sure he was injured, weakened... but the entire fight he was comparable to his opponent, and only when unleashing this attack does he outpace, much less blitz him. That would point to Ragna not moving at this speed regularly and only when using this attack.

Ragna should be blitzed here... given that's the only speed feat presented

@romeobeta: Wait, it took 6 seconds for Ragna to charge up the 33.4x speed of light attack? Even if it was 6 microseconds, that's way too much.

lucius solos the verse based on latest chapter

@darkveiled: nah micro, thats my bad. A bit more than 6 but nonetheless, it appears to have a charge and such speed only occurs in this one move.

@romeobeta: That's still way to long just to reach a speed below Mereoleona.

Ragna curbs

@romeobeta:

Ragna takes about 6 microseconds to charge his attack to then blitz.

You missed the whole point here. The Anti-Dragon King strike doesn't need any charge. Ragna was just waiting Kamui to be more closer to him before using it.

Sure he was injured, weakened... but the entire fight he was comparable to his opponent

He was totally holding back his powers for the whole fight too. It was stated by Kamui, and Kamui was toying with him the whole fight aswell.

given that's the only speed feat presented

Only speed feat?! Are you guys just trolling at this point or what?

Rather early in the series Ragna is severely injured/unconscious and saved by Chimera, what makes this impressive is the fact that chimera saved Ragna from an attack moving at light speed after it was fired form a considerable distance (At least 100meters from Ragna on an elevated area).

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For reference we know its lightspeed not only because its literally called light but also because of the mechanics of how its literally just sunlight stored in a different form(Sun Aura) but released back as sunlight.

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Ragna after getting healed in base is then able to effrotlesly react to and blitz a serious Chimera and Snake casually and not using his silver aura, twice.

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Even a younger, base Kamui got a very casual Relativistic speed feat.

Base Kamui is very easy to get speed for simply for a feat he had while younger and likely weaker. Kamui was able to travel 100km in a split second to attack the King of Claws Gilzea, A split second according to dictionary.com is a fraction of a second or an instant/infinitesimally small amount of time but more interestingly the synonyms for a "Split Second" range from half a second to a millisecond all the way up to a nanosecond

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Calculating his is simply a matter of Distance/Time=Speed with basic values already available though I'll be splitting this into low and most likely end based off the possible time allocated by a "Split Second"

• Low end using half a second (100km/0.5s=200km/s) which is mach 583.09 (Massively Hypersonic)
• Most Likely value using a millisecond (100km/0.001s=100000/s) which is mach 291545.95 (Relativistic)

I'm not using the High ends which are either a Microsecond or Nanosecond because they would both net values way above MFTL+ which I don't think would be consistent to this form.

Though as partial dragonified Kamui implied that he was holding back when he got blitzed by Ragna at FTL+ speeds.

Now let's talk about some Black Clover speed feats:

During the fight against 80-90% Dante Ragna got a power boost from Liebe that could only last 50 seconds.

Here you can see that just 8 seconds were left to Asta:

So in 5 seconds Asta could only make a single action: trying to grab the Demon Destroyer. Same can be said for Yami who could only jump against Dante and cast a single attack.

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And this is even worse. Dante couldn't even react to a 1 second attack, while Yami took like 2 seconds just to give his sword to Asta.

I'm quite sure a similar low showing happened when Asta fought Lucifero, with 9 seconds if i remember correctly

@basarayuuto:

This Dragon King scales way higher than the "current" King of Wings, Artemisia, that can time freeze and rewind the entire world many times. Yes, Ragna has also nullified this level of Time Manipulation and now he's totally immune to it.

What chapter did he resist the king of scales' time magic? I'll respond to what you said later, in the same reply.

@basarayuuto: That's not the low showing you think it is. And even if it were, it wouldn't be consistent. As for Lucifero, nothing like this happened.

@basarayuuto:

Actually I'll separate them, as this post will be related to speed, the other time. I'll wait for you to send a chapter for Ragna resisting the dragon king's timestop.

As much as people hate on vsbattle it makes finding feats for characters much easier. (Not saying you did, speaking generally).

Here Kamui says, as I did, that Ragna moves at greater speed when unleashing this attack, "The sole strike that can beat me in speed". This confirms what I said, Ragna's speed when using this move, is not his speed in general.

The manga says that Ragna moves at the speed of light.

The manga, same chapter, also says Ragna did this at the speed of light.

This chapter proves that Ragna is only SOL when using this attack, slower otherwise. I skimmed through to find this so I could have missed context, so you are free to correct me.

The calcs are wrong... Ragna cannot be 30x FTL if the attack said by Kamui to be the sole attack that outspeeds him is only described as "At the speed of light". Ragna gets blitzed.

As for the Black Clover speed feats...

When 8 seconds are said to be remaining, Asta calls for demon dweller, the sword must travel to Asta as it was already drawn. Right before Asta grasps the sword Dante pushes it away. He calls for demon destroyer and the same thing happens.

Asta doesn't simply do one action in 5 seconds. He had to wait for demon dweller to come, which wasnt near him, it got knocked away and then called for destroyer which again was interrupted.

Ragna should win this

You shouldn't make threads with a clear winner in mind, or you should at least pretend not to.

@orientalwarrior:

From what I've seen Ragna gets blitzed. He has 2 statements of being SOL whereas Lucius is FTL+. As well, how does he handle Lucius' timestop? Could you send scans/chapters to support your claims? Preferably chapters.

Let's dance. I see the BC debaters are quite sneaky-sneaky avoiding the simple fact that magic doesn't work on Ragna. He's like Superman's Kryptonite but for every mage out there.

Simple question... how could Lucius, someone who uses magic to attack or do basically everything, defeat someone who is a living anti-magic machine?

• Time Magic --- eheh, that sounds funny. BC is telling me time magic is kinda invincible magic, something insane. Troublesome! If you're not called Ragna or do not use Silver Aura obv...
  What was the best time magic feat ever made? Julius freezing the time of Clover with his strongest/best time magic? Nice. However, Artemisia could time freeze the whole world without breaking a sweat, for countless of times, including rewinding it.

Sadly for her, BoS Ragna became immune to Time Magic once he started gaining more power from Future-Ragna.

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In addition... later on the Carlas tried to heal him by rewinding time. It was basically useless.

Her magic was getting passively frozen the more they tried to heal Ragna... who was fainted, nerfed and near death. The Carlas could only improve his state from near death to severely injured.

Why? Because Ragna is basically a Silver Sword that constantly emits Silver Aura.

Ragna's power comes from fusing with a silver sword over time and developing the art to harness this power over the course of a decade.

Ragna can produce and manipulate silver aura in various way. He can emit it around himself freezing target on contact or if they get too close or release this aura outwards freezing everything with magic around him in a wide range, verbally command it to explode within targets or simply command it to shatter all targets already affected around him, imbue objects in his vicinity with this silver aura granting them the same magic freezing properties though its stronger when used on something already silver( even structure around him can be imbued with this effect) and even convert the aura into physical silver weapons which carry the same properties as usual.

The properties/use of silver aura is can be augmented by how Ragna chooses to imagine it. Its potency is also less dependent on quantity and more on quality with Ragna being able to spend a degree of time perfecting and polishing his silver Aura for better results

• Soul Magic --- oh, sounds cool! Really impressive... sadly Ragna would once again be unaffected by it and not just cuz that's magic, but cuz the Aura = Spirit.

Basically Ragna' soul scales off his Silver Aura. We have a statement that Aura=Spirit from Crimson using spirit manipulation to alter his aura and Ragna human aura has perfectly combined with his Silver Aura. So this essentially means that

A) Ragnas spirit is composed of Silver Aura

B) Ragna soul directly scales to the amount of Silver Aura he has which already scales to his AP and DC

Lucius tries to lay his pinky on a casual Ragna? This is what happens to Luci-boy:

• DC/AP, Speed & Durability --- so after all his magic arsenal will get frozen solid Lucius will tryna go into a bar brawl... besides he would end frozen and broken into pieces like his magic... what can he possibly do? Ragna was pulling out feats like these:

As early as chapter 3 Ragna was able to freeze and entire forest, which had magical moving roots, simply by releasing his aura. This same forest was large enough to be dwarfing and consuming an entire city.

Ragna was also able to send Kamui in the outer space too, in the mesosphere, almost 100 km. from the ground (there are no missing in-between panels btw.)

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Notice the "Polar Star" AoE and the shockwave of their clash which are clearly seen even from space. In the previous panels we see clouds beneath them and when they clash not only are the shockwaves visible from earth they also cleaned the sky, from the mesosphere, the simple shockwaves from their class is so strong that its clears all the clouds in a wide area which are 73 KM below them in the Troposphere.

They are visible from the the earth as huge blasts of Silver Aura and Lightnings.

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The Dragon Hunting Flash is the more straightforward and simplistic of the three techniques. Its basically just Ragna releasing a huge amount of Silver Aura in the form of a massive sword slash though it finds some nuance in the fact that it doesn't only freeze the magical energy present but also smashes through magic itself and is made to work irrespective of what magic is being used because of this fact.

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The next technique is still unnamed but comes in the form of a ranged attack aimed at killing multiple targets. Ragna focuses silver aura into the tip of his sword and fires it out in an invisible wave which jumps from target to target freezing and shattering them.

• Silver Comet Ragna oneshotted one of Dragon Form Borgius heads, by freezing/crystalizing his Dragon Roar and then piercing his head apart.

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Dragon Form Borgius is quite huge, towering over the Royal Capital and creating this destruction just by awakening (he was casually lifting mountain sized chunks of ground).

• SC Ragna easily parried V2 DF Voltekamui at point-blank range, blow after blow.

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• Tanked a direct hit of V2 DF Kamui's Heaven Divider, who sent him several kilometers away from the Capital, reaching the mountain-ranges area.
  Reacted and blocked Kamui's Roar with one hand, at a relative close range, while also easily deflecting Kamui's lightnings with the other hand.

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Each and every single one of those lightning strikes caps at large mountain to multi-mountain.

The mountai ranges that surrounds Royal Capital Seresfiera are quite massive, even the closest ones dwarf the capital.

The mountai ranges that surrounds Royal Capital Seresfiera are quite massive, even the closest ones dwarf the capital.

Something more about Seresfiera size...

The Capital had more than 4 million inhabitants:

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The average buildings of Seresfiera are multi-storey buildings and palaces:

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Yup, the Royal Capital is huge.

Heaven Divider-Merged Kamui and SC Ragna. The power boost Kamui got was immense, with feats like:

• Breaking Ragna' Blade Arm and leaving a big scar on his other arm with a casual swing.
  
• Stabbing his body from side to side with a single kick.

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This is impressive since previously Ragna was tanking direct Heaven Divider attacks. Reminder that Ragna took most of the blunt force of thrown HD... and no sold it. The side effect of Ragna impacting on the ground obliterated several mountain ranges and left a huge and bottomless crater.

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Ragna was also able to whitstand an utterly colossal barrage of HD-Merged-Lightnings with just some bruises.

Later on Kamui beheads Ragna with a single "slap"... the side effect of this attack caused a huge explosion that completely dwarfed the several-mountain ranges bottomless crater.

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However... Ragna works fine even without his head:

And we learn that Ragna can now regenerate his stabbed body and reattach his head:

Take note that, besides getting beheaded, Ragna didn't take any relevant/visible damage after:

• Getting bullrushed and slammed against the planet surface right from the outer space:

• Being in the epicenter of this huge explosion:

I'll start with his Speed since its the easiest to scale. A tired and injured Ragna who just before had passed out from exhaustion and only fought because kamui goaded him into it by killing his friends in front of him and taunting him repeatedly was able to easily reach FTL + speeds after calming himself and attacking properly

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This feat is also quite quantifiable:

The time frame operates with teh first number being in seconds and is going from higher numbers to lower because its a countdown, Ragna moving to blitze and react to kamui(who at the moment is toying with him by not going all out and just trying to match his weakened state) in 0.000000001 of a second (From 5.000 to 4.999999999) AKA a nanosecond.

On further inspection Ragna likely moved all the way to where kamui was previously floating and just pushed him back further(meaning ragna is now at that position) since at the time of this fight Ragna had no ranged attacks that didn't involve him making a physical sword imbued with his power and throwing it like a projectile so the distance he crossed would more accurately be 10m. Doing the basic math : 10m/0.000000001s= 10 billion meters per seconds and that's 33.4 x the speed of light.

A base severely injured and tired Ragna is 33.4xFTL. This is obviously very much bellow a normal base Ragna who should be able to reach these speeds and much likely higher without issue based on a statement from Kamui where he states that Ragna was much stronger before their fight and that throughout the fight Ragna never managed to use 100% of his power.(we can take Kamui statement as true due to him previously watching Ragna using his full power)

Further cementing the fact that Ragna is FTL + in base is his scaling to Chimera

Rather Early in the series Ragna is severely injured/unconscious and saved by Chimera, what makes this impressive is the fact that chimera saved Ragna from an attack moving at light speed after it was fired form a considerable distance(At least 100meters from Ragna on an elevated area). For reference we know its lightspeed not only because its literally called light but also because of the mechanics of how its literally just sunlight stored in a different form(Sun Aura) but released back as sunlight.

Ragna after getting healed in base is then able to easily react to and blitz Chimera while not being serious at all and not using his silver aura.

A normal not holding back Kamui should scale to a base not injured Ragna's speed because he was confident he could handle a full powered/non tired Ragna and he has seen Ragna at full power before so obviously isn't exaggerating or overhyping himself

Ragna after getting healed got stronger to the point that his future self even and was able to statue and blitze a not holding back V1 Kamui(Aka the one comparable to Base Ragna who is faster than 33.4xFTL)

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And Base Ragna (and Kamui) would pale in front of their current Silver Comet Mode and Dragonified 2nd Form. Following statements Kamui says he's 120% of his full power(we can take kamui as truth since he was the one who forced the maker of the sword to make it in order to match his "claws").

Their speed is also then further increases as their fight goes on. Even rather early in the fight Ragna and Kamui begin accelerating at a rate where they almost immediately start statuing their own previous attacks/shockwaves from their attacks that they made moments before

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@miriotogata:

Ragna is stated to move at the speed of light twice, as well, it only occurs when he's using this move. Ragna is getting blitzed. A better explanation with scans are on post #29.

@ones_and_twos: I don't even know the full capabilities of Ragna. I said that ge should win because sole post convinced me

Patri's spell, RODP, is said to move at the speed of light.

Asta later reacts to Dark Elf Patri's RODP, which is essentially a boosted Patri.

I really don't see the need to further explain the extent of how fast Lucius is as Black Asta Pre-Timeskips is already FTL. He then has a timeskip, berserk mode, devils bargain, DU, better DU, and another timeskip and Lucius faces the strongest Asta we've seen and still hasn't been hit yet. This is either a stalemate or Lucius wins, Ragna cannot touch Lucius.

@laufnyr:

How does Ragna hit Lucius?

Ragna stomps.

@romeobeta: The fact that you keep intentionally ignoring every other RC related FTL speed feats just to support your faulty claims is started getting annoying... especially when i can do this game too.

Not only you're ignoring a clear-as-hell nanosecond timeframe, that ended up being a FTL+ feat, but also all the other speed feats, like Chimera outspeeding a sunlight beam and performing multiple actions, Ragna effortlesly dancing and overpowering a point-blank Chimera and Snake going for the blitz at the same time... and all the speed scalings. For what? For something that was just called LS? The same HM Kamui stated he could easily avoid the old nanosecond feat. Ha!

Wanna play this game, bud? Fine. Let's see the latest BC speed showing... oh, a power-up Asta, Yami and Dante going all out... with time frame too! Wonderful. Damn what was that? It took 5 seconds to power-up Demon Asta to just perform 2 feats: calling out his sword and trying to grab his other sword. I can say 3 feats if we count the first sword tryna reach him from like 10 meters of distance. 5 seconds... it's human speed tho. Below subsonic. Yami? In those 5 secs he jumped on Dante and delivered a single attack. Same goes for Dante... 3 actions in those 5 secs. What next? It took 2 seconds for Yami to give his sword to Asta. More than 2 secs for Dante to fully regenerate. And then what? Danet couldn't even react to a sword slash happened in around 1 second? Let alone Finral said they were moving like crazy. This statement is terrible for BC verse, considering also that it seems real elements are far superior to magic elements, like Gaja's cloud to ground natural lightnings can effortlesly defeat Vanica's demonic henchmen and be troublesome for Megicula. Patry getting blitzed by his own light magic? Gauge getting blitzed by light magic? And the list goes on.

See? I can play the same downplay game. Even better and with much more stuff.

How could Lucius stomp?

- Time Magic? Won't work, frozen + shattered

- Soul Magic? Won't work, frozen + shattered

- Byproducts of magic? Won't work, frozen + shattered

- Pure physical attacks? If Lucius even tries he turns into a fragile glass falling on solid ground. Let alone the massive and totally unfair stats difference that would make Lucius look like a bum. How easily Julius died again?

Ragna can also release his Silver Aura and turn the entire land into a huge trap for magic users. He can't you say? Even at BoS (beginning of series) he frozen an island sized huge magic forest...

This battle is simply one sided. And it goes to Ragna. Simple as that, bud.

@miriotogata: This was a post riddled with misinterpretation, and intentional downplay, which you admit, but the issue with that is you're making yourself look bad, and for what?

I'd rather take multiple ftl feats than a statement, authors most of the times use SoL as a way of expressing flashy attacks but most of them don't use scientific terms/knowledge consistently in the series, only a few do so (examples being: Shaman King's mangaka,Toriko's mangaka and so on)

@kingzenon135: Naah, broh. You missed the whole point. I was intentionally play his own downplay game.

@miriotogata:

The fact that you keep intentionally ignoring every other RC related FTL speed feats just to support your faulty claims is started getting annoying... especially when i can do this game too.

My faulty claims? These are not my claims. These are statements from the narrative itself.

Not only you're ignoring a clear-as-hell nanosecond timeframe, that ended up being a FTL+ feat, but also all the other speed feats, like Chimera outspeeding a sunlight beam and performing multiple actions, Ragna effortlesly dancing and overpowering a point-blank Chimera and Snake going for the blitz at the same time... and all the speed scalings. For what? For something that was just called LS? The same HM Kamui stated he could easily avoid the old nanosecond feat. Ha!

There was nothing that said the attack was lightspeed. The energy fired as called Sun Aura. I will admit, if not for this, the statements, I would have agreed about the FTL scaling. It made sense to assume the beam was lightspeed or even the feat was lightspeed but it was never said that it was.

These statements clearly shows it is not a FTL feat. Your calcs cannot take precedence over statements by the author when these statements are consistent.

The same HM Kamui stated he could easily avoid the old nanosecond feat. Ha!

The same Kamui who was said to only move at lightning speed at least twice? (Don't remember where I saw the first statement) The same one who boasted of surpassing lightning speed? Yes. That one.

Wanna play this game, bud? Fine. Let's see the latest BC speed showing... oh, a power-up Asta, Yami and Dante going all out... with time frame too! Wonderful. Damn what was that? It took 5 seconds to power-up Demon Asta to just perform 2 feats: calling out his sword and trying to grab his other sword. I can say 3 feats if we count the first sword tryna reach him from like 10 meters of distance. 5 seconds... it's human speed tho. Below subsonic. Yami? In those 5 secs he jumped on Dante and delivered a single attack. Same goes for Dante... 3 actions in those 5 secs. What next? It took 2 seconds for Yami to give his sword to Asta. More than 2 secs for Dante to fully regenerate. And then what? Danet couldn't even react to a sword slash happened in around 1 second? Let alone Finral said they were moving like crazy.

Everything said here were assumptions and guesstimations?

More happened than what was shown.

here.

These are 2 consectuive panels. [1][2]

Dante moves from arched forward in a running position to... not. He is standing still hitting away Asta's sword.

Yami is above Asta in the 1st panel but isnt in the 2nd. Yami teleportation confirmed???

Let alone Finral said they were moving like crazy.

Okay and?

This statement is terrible for BC verse, considering also that it seems real elements are far superior to magic elements, like Gaja's cloud to ground natural lightnings can effortlesly defeat Vanica's demonic henchmen and be troublesome for Megicula.

Ap isn't speed. Oh you mean the Megicula who isn't fully manifested?

"Gaja's cloud to ground lightning". Please remind me where it said his lightning was cloud to ground? I recall it saying it generates the natural element not that it moves at the same speed and hits with the same potency.

Patry getting blitzed by his own light magic?

Clearly haven't read BC. Patri let himself get hit because he did not want to risk letting Gauche get hurt as later on he is revealed to have an elf's soul in him. [1].

Why didn't he dodge? I don't know, but he gave a reason for getting hit.

Gauge getting blitzed by light magic?

What is this meant to prove...? He isn't known to be a fast character...

And the list goes on.

The list ended before it started. Imagine

@laufnyr: @miriotogata:

I'd rather take multiple ftl feats than a statement,

What are you talking about? There were 2 feats. The beam fired by the king and Ragna blitzing Kamui. Everything else was scaling off of these feats. As well, there were at least 4 statements of lightning speed and lightspeed. I linked 3 of them in my reply to @miriotogata above.

authors most of the times use SoL as a way of expressing flashy attacks but most of them don't use scientific terms/knowledge consistently in the series,

Thats a horrible debunk. You can say that to any statement made by an author. It's insanely general and also odd that you used examples of other series but not the one you are debating on here...

If that's true. Why not point out a narrative inconsistency with the speed in Ragna Crimson? Can you? No. This series is very consistent in terms of speed.

Narratively the verse is consistent. The lightning/thunder themed dragon is said to fly at lightning speed and boasts after surpassing that speed. The same lightning/thunder dragon gets blitzed by an attack which moves at light speed. Which again makes sense as light >>>> lightning.

@laufnyr:

authors most of the times use SoL as a way of expressing flashy attacks but most of them don't use scientific terms/knowledge consistently in the series,

I had to make another reply. This is insane. You said that Ragna isn't SOL but FTL because of authors misusing scientific terms/knowledge to make attacks look flashy.

Not only is it insanely general it is hypocritical.

You ignore both his SOL statements but you take his word on the nano second? Why is that? Seems to me that he just did that to make the attack sound flashy.

Ragna's speed, at least by you 2, has been wanked beyond oblivion.

Question what happens when Ragna Interac’s wit ice magic? Has he gone up against another ice user before?

@samsaknight:

Id assume he freezes it... its said he freezes magic. That is to say, i believe he would be able to null ice magic.

He's faced time, space, wind, explosions, and lightning/thunder. No ice, not that I remember.

The series is on a break I believe, never thought how he'd interact with ice though...will keep an eye out.