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#1  Edited By Gilateen

•In Character

•No Knowledge/Prep

•Location: Spade Kingdom Battlefield

•Starting distance: 50ft

•Immortality restricted

•Win by Any Means

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#2  Edited By Laufnyr

Aizen stomps, Lucifero being massively faster means nothing. Lucifero cant kill him and he gets KS.

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Aizen solos the verse.

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Aizen.

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Lucifero still needs more feats. Aizen for now

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Aizen wins

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OP edit: Immortality restricted. Just for fairness

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just got reminded of this

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#12  Edited By Morningstar999

@lichgod3: It's not mind manipulation. It's five senses manipulation. Passive, Lucifero looks at Aizen, and he is screwed. People with mind resistence are affected by Kyoka Suigetsu. Aizen is immortal and Lucifero cannot kill him, considering not even the whole Soul Society can.

Hogyoku just helps Aizen to evolve at worst. Eventually, Aizen just crushes him, or at worst seals him/BFRs him in the Dangai, from which Lucifero cannot come back from.

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Aizen stomps. Lucifero doesn't even have much feats to compare to Aizen.

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@yolt: Welp, we don’t think the same. That’s just your opinion.

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Close match but I'm giving to Aizen.

I don't know if reiatsu affects devils but Aizen has better AP and hax.

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@morningstar999: "It's not mind manipulation. It's five senses manipulation. Passive, Lucifero looks at Aizen, and he is screwed. People with mind resistence are affected by Kyoka Suigetsu. Aizen is immortal and Lucifero cannot kill him, considering not even the whole Soul Society can"

I see, but both Don't have a way of killing eachother because there both immortal so it's technically a stalemate

"Hogyoku just helps Aizen to evolve at worst. Eventually, Aizen just crushes him, or at worst seals him/BFRs him in the Dangai, from which Lucifero cannot come back from."

He can't BFR Lucifero, he already resisted BFR from dorothy, and he has no way if kill Lucifero so again its a stalemate

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@lichgod3:

•Win by Any Means

he gets put under KS or sealed.

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@lichgod3: BFR into the Dangai will work, considering it's a place completely separated from the normal world. Lucifero cannot come back. Otherwise, Aizen seals him.

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@lichgod3: BFR into the Dangai will work, considering it's a place completely separated from the normal world. Lucifero cannot come back. Otherwise, Aizen seals him.

or simply uses KS

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@morningstar999:

"BFR into the Dangai will work, considering it's a place completely separated from the normal world. Lucifero cannot come back. Otherwise, Aizen seals him."

How is that any different from being BFR'D into dorothy world

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@laufnyr:

He can get put in KS but he isn't getting sealed.

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@lichgod3 said:

@morningstar999:

"BFR into the Dangai will work, considering it's a place completely separated from the normal world. Lucifero cannot come back. Otherwise, Aizen seals him."

How is that any different from being BFR'D into dorothy world

no point in discussing it. KS or sealing is enough, no point of getting out of track.

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@lichgod3 said:

@laufnyr:

He can get put in KS but he isn't getting sealed.

why tho? hado 90 seals him

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@laufnyr:

"why tho? hado 90 seals him"

He was unaffected by BFR to another dimension and should scale above lilith and naamah who were able to break out of a seal that didn't have life or death within it

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@laufnyr:

"no point in discussing it. KS or sealing is enough, no point of getting out of track."

Sealing isn't doing anything, but KS gives aizen the win

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@lichgod3 said:

@laufnyr:

"no point in discussing it. KS or sealing is enough, no point of getting out of track."

Sealing isn't doing anything, but KS gives aizen the win

sealing doesnt work now? not bfr. sealing.

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@laufnyr:

"sealing doesnt work now? not bfr. sealing."

Sealing and BFR is like same thing, like if you seal someone in another dimension your basically just BFR them into a another dimension because they have no way of getting out. But if you mean like non dimensional sealing then he scales above vanica that escaped that type of sealing.

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@lichgod3: Because Dangai is separated from the normal space-time, with layers upon layers of time in it. It's completely different. Aizen sealing him would work, unless he has resistence to Hado 90's effects.

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#29  Edited By Lichgod3

@morningstar999:

"Because Dangai is separated from the normal space-time, with layers upon layers of time in it. It's completely different. Aizen sealing him would work, unless he has resistence to Hado 90's effects."

Isn't being separated from a different space-time the same thing as being separated from a different space entirely because we're living in a space-time and dimensions are separated from this space-time so wouldn't be the same thing as a separate dimension

Also could give me the scan for the "adding upon layers upon layers of time In it" statement

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This Aizen is way too strong.

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@lichgod3 said:

@morningstar999:

"Because Dangai is separated from the normal space-time, with layers upon layers of time in it. It's completely different. Aizen sealing him would work, unless he has resistence to Hado 90's effects."

Isn't being separated from a different space-time the same thing as being separated from a different space entirely because we're living in a space-time and dimensions are separated from this space-time so wouldn't be the same thing as a separate dimension

Also could give me the scan for the "adding upon layers upon layers of time In it" statement

why are you going out of topic? no point in derailing the thread, both agree that KS fodderizes already.

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@morningstar999: Immortality is restricted and how would Aizen be able to do anything in Lucifero’s gravity field?

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@morningstar999:

Ok now after doing abot of research I found out that it warps time and space which wouldn't really do anything if I'm going to generally honest, because he was unaffected by an attack that could cut through an attack that can erase space, and I don't think gravity will do anything, because his own gravity was crushing someone who was able to make somebody who was litteraly able to cut through gravity itself.

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@lichgod3: The Dangai, is a literal separated realm from the World of the Living, Soul Society and Hueco Mundo. It's not a normal separated dimension, and a normal different dimension doesn't count as different space-time.

Here everything is explained. Kototsu literally BFRs people into different time periods if it touches them if lucky, or straight up erases them. Doubt Lucifero can fight the Kototsu without getting messed up pretty badly, but regardless, he wouldn't have a way to escape from Dangai.

Also, Lucifero has no counters for Kanzen Saimin. It's instant oneshot, not mind manip, Lucifero will play straight in Aizen's hands, without the former realizing it.

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Kanzen Saimin GG

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Immortality is restricted btw

Either way KS GG or lucifero blitz and kills but leaning towards aizen bcs he can use KS with just lucifero looking at his sword then seal him

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@morningstar999:

"The Dangai, is a literal separated realm from the World of the Living, Soul Society and Hueco Mundo. It's not a normal separated dimension, and a normal different dimension doesn't count as different space-time."

So it's a dimension where time slows down, so how is that impressive just asking?

"Here everything is explained. Kototsu literally BFRs people into different time periods if it touches them if lucky, or straight up erases them. Doubt Lucifero can fight the Kototsu without getting messed up pretty badly, but regardless, he wouldn't have a way to escape from Dangai."

If its just existence erasure, it won't really do anything to lucifero since he was unaffected by an attack that could cut through an attack that can erase space basically EE

"Also, Lucifero has no counters for Kanzen Saimin. It's instant oneshot, not mind manip, Lucifero will play straight in Aizen's hands, without the former realizing it."

How powerful is kanzen saimin is it EE?, ik that KS will affect him tho

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@lichgod3: Kanzen Saimin is KS. Dangai is separated from space-time. Proof for Lucifero to come back after being BFRd in a place like the Dangai would be needed. It's not just a dimension where time slows down, it's a dimension separated from WoTL, Hueco Mundo and Soul Society,with layers upon layers of time in it.

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Aizen shows him real Gravity with Kurohitsugi, and either seals him in Caja Negacion or kicks him into the Dangai where he is thrown back in time centuries

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Aizen solos BC

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Aizen destroys the verse.

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It's too early to assume now since Lucifer didn't even use a single attack spell. All we've seen so far are Lucifer's passive gravity and his physical abilities. With all that said, it's clear that Lucifero is much faster than Aizen, all we need now are AP feats or hax abilities.

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@bestdebater: He's an super amped up Dante so whatever Dante used Luci can use most likely will use something next chapter(next Sunday).

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Aizen stomps.

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Julius ages aizen to dust, how is aizen soloing the verse?

he prob wins here tho

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@vex_haid said:

Julius ages aizen to dust, how is aizen soloing the verse?

he prob wins here tho

aizen doesn't age.

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Aizen oneshots julius

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@morningstar999:

"Kanzen Saimin is KS. Dangai is separated from space-time. Proof for Lucifero to come back after being BFRd in a place like the Dangai would be needed. It's not just a dimension where time slows down, it's a dimension separated from WoTL, Hueco Mundo and Soul Society,with layers upon layers of time in it."

But you said kanzen saimin was 5 senses manipulation which is why I said it would give him the win

"Proof for Lucifero to come back after being BFRd in a place like the Dangai would be needed."

Look I might be really stupid but are you saying should prove on how he could get out of if, well he was getting BFR'd to a infinite sized dimension, that was considered it's own concept stated by morris

https://ibb.co/Jj81b72

https://ibb.co/dGfJqHP

He was explaining how powerful dream magic is then follows up saying that maybe it would be if the devils powers didn't give the ability to affect intangible concepts, meaning that the concept of BFR was pretty negged by morris, who's magic was being amped by Lucifero and he able to break out himself, it's pretty obvious that Lucifero scales above morris

So basically the concept of BFR would probably be negged by lucifero seeing as technically by rule BFR itself is a intangible concept

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@laufnyr said:

@vex_haid said:

Julius ages aizen to dust, how is aizen soloing the verse?

he prob wins here tho

aizen doesn't age.

then he turns him to a baby and kills him, or traps him in a time loop