Lucifer Morningstar vs Living Tribunal vs Man of Miracles
"SeSAW said:I think that is a correct statement. Man of Miracles was able to grant Spawn the Divine Power to become even more powerful that God and Satan via using the Fruit from The Tree of Life"Living Tribunal is the most powerful being here"The Man of Miracles is the most powerful. He is Image's version of Marvel's One-Above-All in my opinion.
"LT is the most powerful.He is the nexus of all realities and dimensions and can do anything in MU universe."But the One-Above-All and Thanos with the Heart of the Universe are more powerful than him, and the Man of Miracles is the One-Above-All of the Image Universe, and I think Spawn with Divine Powers is like Thanos with the HOTU.
"So in image there is no one more powerful than M of M ?"That has been written of yet!
The problem with this comparison is scale. Because the DC actuality has The Presence (which is GOD) and you have GOD of the image Actuality it is often assumed they are the same so those under them must be proportionatly equivalent.
Just because MoM is the most powerful being so far in the Image Universe does not make him = TOAA and the Presence. Just that we have not seen evidence of the actual top of the Image food chain (if the Image Actuality has one). Until we know for sure LT>Lucifer and MoM is a wild card.
The Man of Miracles should win this. Then Lucifer, then LT. I think LT is being overrated here. I'm not sure how someone who's essential a supreme being's butler is suppose to beat in one corner another supreme being and in the other corner the son of another supreme being. And the only reason Living Tribunal is #2 in Marvel is because it's a technicality due to the fact TOAA doesn't have any relatives or offsprings. If it did I'm certain they'll make mince meat of the butler. To further prove my point look at the LT's showings against beings who are multiversal and can said to be close to the supreme being. First example would be the being from outside Marvel Donny Osmond. Not quite TOAA but very powerful. LT had the opportunity to show how awesome he was, but instead he chickened out. Then he was among the entities that wanted Donny's protege Owen Reese to face Donny since they couldn't do it themselves. Then next example was battling Thanos with the Heart of the Universe. With alleged complete control over Marvel you think it would had been a cake walk? But what happened instead? He got his butt kicked hard.
um sry for the offtopic but you guys sure the Presence is DC's God ? PResence himself said he was created by someone else, so he can't be the "end all be all" of DC
Man Of Miracles on teh toher hand IS the god of Image so he's more like MU's One Above All than DC's Presence
Living Tribunal is ubrer uber powerful but he's not MU's god, he serves someone greater than him (TOAA)
Lucifer is also uber uber pwerful but was created by the Presence (who hmself ain't even DC's dod)
Lucifer & LT : RELATIVE omnipotence
MoM : ABSOLUTE omnipotence. he's like TOAA. so he wins this one
Yes, next to the Presence, is directly Lucifer & Michael, and both these two would trump the other two! Lucifer bareley gave Spectre another thought and Michael decided not to destroy the Spectre after he defeated him cause he deamed him too important in the larger scheme of things!
"iSHADOW said:I think you maybe right... but its also possible that MoM is a reflection of The Presence in the DCU or at least could be... though the Image Universe lacks what the Marvel and DC Universe has... Actual Feats of Great Power..."its between lucifer and tribunal... i cant reason why one would win over the other. i dont know much about man of miracles though but who reads image?"
I don't believe LT can do anything to Lucifer! It's a matter of what Lucifer can do to LT?"
"Lucfier and Micheal are both equal to LT. Just as LT is right below TOAA. L and M are right below the pressence."
How do you know? Where is it referenced that Lucifer and Michael are both equal to LT? Alot compare Spectre in DC to LT in Marvel, but even that's debatable, and Spectre didn't really stand a chance against Michael, so how do you get that Lucifer and Michael are both equal to LT?
" LT is the most powerful.He is the nexus of all realities and dimensions and can do anything in MU universe. "Ok do you even know anything about Lucifer? Lucifer is THE second most powerful being in the DC Universe, right after God. In terms of raw power Lucifer has openly stood up against the Presence himself, so Lucifer isn't behind LT at all in terms of power.
Lucifer's willpower and knowledge are both infinite. Lucifer's will is God's will.
Lucifer laughs at realities and dimensions. ( lucifer and michael created all the realities anyways ).
Logically speaking, Man of Miracles should majorly curbstomp here. His powers are beyond even Gods. However, the dispute comes from the opinion that DC's and Marvel's God is better than Image's God. Personal fan-bias aside, it makes sense that Man of Miracles should win here without trouble.
" @Reactor: But God in Image is not the same as in DC or Marvel. "People don't seem to consider Image comics in the same league with Marvel and DC, which is where the dispute comes in. They don't consider God in Image (let alone M.o.M.) to be equal to the One-Above-All and the Presence.
MoM wins. Since he is the only one that is actually Omnipotent here.
The more interesting battle is between the Living Tribunal and Lucifer Morningstar.
With the Living Tribunal being 'nigh-omnipotent'. As shriammukundan said, "an inch below omnipotence".
While Lucifer is 'virtually omnipotent'. He has unlimited 'power'/energy, manipulation on a truly infinite scale. The only thing he can't do is create something out of nothing.
So unlimited manipulation, vs. nigh-unlimited manipulation+creation.
Personally I would give it to the Tribunal, since he, aside from nigh-omnipotence, also has the same degree of omniscience. Which kinda gives him an edge. But as said, that particular battle is debatable.
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