Lucifer Morningstar Michael Demiurgos and Dream of The Endless Vs Perpetua World Forger and Pralaya

Lucifer win

Still not sure if Mikey + Lucy = Presence...?? If so, T1 obvs Spanks....

However, if not......??..

Pralaya or Perpetua solo

Dc team sucks… Team 1 negs.

If not team 1 still spanks 😂😭

Heh 😆

I'm optimistic arguments can be made. Lol. I'm just not certain how to evaluate Mikey+Lucy together!?!

It’s a silly one imo. luci doesn’t need Michael tbh. Michael also gave his power to Elaine before, same as some power of the Presence.

Lucifer. He just needs to smash into WF at faster-than-light speeds. 😁

@strike3: as if lucifer has ever gone past the speed of light.

@brogokudestroys:

Yo, maybe you've given your explanation somewhere on this already, but... Do u think Vertigo is above DC? Why/why not??

It’s superior in cosmology. I don’t really care to get the scans for it. All that is on my memory, Lucifer completely above dc, still within vertigo, etc etc, other stuff.

@ghostpri6:

Imagine believing a character from a higher plane of existence (the Sphere of the Gods), beyond at least conventional space and time, can't past the Speed of Light LOL

And if you are unaware of, Lucifer helped to merged 3 Creations into one within a resonable short timeframe.

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Ironic you call me the troll. Wow.

Pralaya is stupid cause the DC cosmology is stupid

We have like 3 characters that are the "complete nothingness that predate creation" and whatnot

If you go by Pralaya is the embodiment of the Presence's thought, she should probably solo

Dumb cosmology aside, team 1 should curb

my opinion = fax

ur opinion = creditless

@kuuzo: Lucifers stats translates to the sphere of the gods only with composite dc scaling, otherwise he is not as impressive and any random sphere god negs. None of these scans quantify lucifer at lightspeed, and merging 3 creations in one was all elaine. Do you have better examples to measure his speed? Lmk brah

@ghostpri6:

It does need even take a composite DC cosmology for scaling any figures from the Sphere of the Gods to beyond Lightspeed, considering the fact that the Speed Force only encompasses the material word/plane. For your information, any figures from the Sphere of the Gods has to assume a physical shape when coming down to this lower plane of existence.

So besides getting wrong this fact, you are completely wrong on the evidence provided as Elaine was clearly not the only one involved to achieve this and is irrevelant beceause of the fact it's a demonstration of individual speed. Stay in denial.

Do better.

• The Speed Force only encompasses the material word/plane.

• Any figures from the Sphere of the Gods has to assume a physical shape when coming down to this lower plane of existence.

Contrary to the beings from the material world who (for some) are "bounded" to the laws of the Speed Force, since the Speed Force is associated/interwined with light (space and time), whereas the figures of the Sphere of the Gods are already coming from a higher level/plane of existence different from the material world. Point is, the Sphere of the Gods being a higher plane of existence than the Speed Force was well established before Grant Morrison came up with the Map of the Multiverse.

INB4 "has Lucifer ever gone past the speed of light"

You’re one of the dumbest trolls I’ve ever seen. You should honestly be banned

@kuuzo said:

• The Speed Force only encompasses the material word/plane.

• Any figures from the Sphere of the Gods has to assume a physical shape when coming down to this lower plane of existence.

Contrary to the beings from the material world who (for some) are "bounded" to the laws of the Speed Force, since the Speed Force is associated/interwined with light (space and time), whereas the figures of the Sphere of the Gods are already coming from a higher level/plane of existence different from the material world. Point is, the Sphere of the Gods being a higher plane of existence than the Speed Force was well established before Grant Morrison came up with the Map of the Multiversity.

INB4 "has Lucifer ever gone past the speed of light"

Lucifer ain't even close to be limited to the sphere of Gods.

@brogokudestroys:

Of course, but that's not the point I adressed.

I understand that. But it also just makes his entire troll points worse.

@brogokudestroys:

Totally, I agree.

She’s a dc only character. Not Vertigo. She messes up the Void and Great Darkness storylines more than anything

pralaya, mother night, great darkness

it's too much shit going on at the same time

unless pralaya and mother night are the same

my opinion = fax

ur opinion = creditless

Mother night is the Pralaya of Vertigo

Team 2 , pralaya can solo.

Pralaya is the Goddes or abstract embodiment of The Void and was owned once an improvised creation was created from Swamp Thing, by itself could be a lesser avatar of the Overvoid. Mother Night is not that wortless and neither is The Void but more primal.

Either of team 1 can replicate what Swamp Thing did, no need to bring other alternatives. Perpetua and her son are stomped instantly, even at her full power created a multiverse and like seriously, who and why keeps thinking that World Forger is worth of something against Vertigo characters? Even in the sixth dimension he was not much to compare of, he was boundless to the multiverses rules and create and destroy universes peer time, and once he lefts to any other places in his own words he is extremely depowered, like even Superman could punch him which was more lowballing that I would ever give him.

It's pretty clear who wins, pralaya is the being who consumes the presence.

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everyone in T1 are below the presence, so pralaya can solos.

What defeated pralaya was Yggdrasil, not swamp thing lol he was merely an instrument and anyone arguing T1 wins based on that is off their knockers. Swamp thing and the entire jla dark crew was shitting their pants on a much weaker being to pralaya at the crossroads of time, a mini pralaya.

By default Perpetua also solos for having created the concept of magic( yggdrasil is only a fraction of all the magic in DC universe). World Forger can solo too for the simple fact he is massively above Barbatos who is massively above dream, an i think dream, lucifer and michael are roughly around the same power lvl.

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I honestly wouldn't take this poll too serious, lots of misinterpretations thrown and it's these same users who voted.

Lucifer solo

@yaroa: Your headcanon won’t sway people from knowing the truth. You ain’t read any comic in your life. You at most take them from probably vs wiki. Why else would your arguments be so laughably bad? Are you trolling?