LSSJ Broly runs a gauntlet

Note: This gauntlet contains spoilers from Dragon Ball Super: Broly. If you haven't watched the movie and you don't want to be spoiled, get out of this thread now.

Round 1:

Kefla & Hit

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Round 2:

Android 17, SSBE Vegeta & SSBK x20 Goku

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Round 3:

Merged Zamasu

Round 4:

SSB Vegito

Round 5:

UIO Goku (cannot evolve to MUI)

Round 6:

Jiren

Round 7:

MUI Goku

Round 8:

Beerus (no hakai)

Round 9:

Whis (Broly teams up with Beerus and SSB Gogeta for this one)

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Bonus round:

How he will fare against the GT verse mightiest warrior?

Rules & Conditions:

-Win is by death, KO or incap.

-No power restrictions (unless stated otherwise). Characters can power up during the battle if necessary (they can't fuse though).

-No time limit.

-All teams have perfect chemistry.

-Broly gets fully healed and rested after each round.

-Battles take place at the ice land from the latest Broly movie. It can turn into a lava field, other than that, the planet CANNOT be destroyed.

@perethorn: Why is Beerus above MUI Goku and Jiren? In fact, he isn't even definitively stronger than UI Omen Goku.

Why is Ss4 Gogeta the bonus when anyone on Round 1 solos the gt verse?

Ot: Stops at Mui Goku or Beerus, he stomps the overrated Jiren

That's debatable. We haven't seen Beerus at full power.

That's the main reason of why i decided to give him benefit of the doubt.

@omega_kai: Not really, as MUI was stated to be a technique above all Gods of Destruction and a incomplete form of it was stated to "perhaps stronger than Beerus." Likewise, Jiren was also stated to be above the level of a God of Destruction and he was able to compete with MUI and briefly overpower it at times. Also, I'm pretty sure at least in the anime Belmond is stronger than Beerus; and Jiren is stronger than Belmod so that by default makes stronger than Beerus.

Just curiosity for getting an opinion, back in the day, lots of users favored GT over Super with power scaling based arguments.

Statements in Dragon Ball are never a good source of information IMO, they tend to be used mostly for plot purposes or in hyperbole.

Also, in the manga Beerus is displayed as one of the most (if not the most) powerful GoD, even above Belmond, as it was shown in the brief battle between gods before the Tournament of Power arc. Anime wise, there's nothing to suggest the superiority of a GoD over another (except for maybe Sydra being the weakeast of them all), so that remains as conjecture.

Broly clears up to Whis. GTgeta isn't even worth discussing. He's fodder.

Except Whis statement. Lol?

Statements in Dragon Ball are never a good source of information IMO, they tend to be used mostly for plot purposes or in hyperbole.

Since when? DB is devoid of feats, statement are the backbone of DB when it comes to gauging a characters power. This site is a prime example, people constantly complain of DB's lack of feat and constant dependence on statements.

Also, in the manga Beerus is displayed as one of the most (if not the most) powerful GoD, even above Belmond,

The manga is a whole different continuity and Belmond wasn't even hurt.

Anime wise, there's nothing to suggest the superiority of a GoD over another

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@vegetasan: @omega_kai: Whis is saying that to get Goku excited. Also there's no context to the statement other than Beerus stating that it was an arm-wrestling match. So it really doesn't mean anything. Nor did he say when this had taken place. For all we know this happened 70million years ago and Beerus has become considerably stronger since then and stronger than that other Hakaishin.

Maybe stops at round 5, if not then round 6.

@reikai:Whis is saying that to get Goku excited.

That means relatively nothing.

So it really doesn't mean anything. Nor did he say when this had taken place. For all we know this happened 70million years ago and Beerus has become considerably stronger since then and stronger than that other Hakaishin.

If it didn't mean anything they wouldn't have stated it, plus all these thing you're factoring in are baseless.

Stops at Merged Zamasu to be honest. His immortality hasn't been restricted. As powerful as Broly is. He can't permanently out him down. Especially if he becomes Astral. Stops a SSG Vegito for unless this is Vegito with the powerlevel he had during that Arc.

@omega_kai: Whis' statement means nothing since it's not backed by any evidence, nor is there any evidence that states or suggests that Belmod is stronger than Beerus. It's nothing more than Whis being pompous to make fun of Beerus and get Goku worked up to fight. And given that the other Hakaishin didn't seem to give much of a crap about Jiren, despite his supposed strength, we can at least assume that they are all still relatively stronger than him. Aside from Belmod.

Arak treated the energy he was feeling during that exchange as little more than a gentle massage. That's how completely unconcerned the Hakaishin were. The only noted that the fighters energy was impressive and nothing more.

Stops at Beerus.

I feel like Super is saving him going all out for a very special occasion

Whis' statement means nothing since it's not backed by any evidence, nor is there any evidence that states or suggests that Belmod is stronger than Beerus.

Whis stated the evidence, you can ignore said evidence but it will still be there.

The statement obviously had some intent behind for it to be stated right before the TOP. Regardless on the intent of the statement, it still doesn't take away the fact it came from Whis's mouth. Who is very a credible source and has been Beerus's teacher for millions of years.

Arak treated the energy he was feeling during that exchange as little more than a gentle massage. That's how completely unconcerned the Hakaishin were.

You obviously misinterpreted his statement, because that was clear compliment to the power of the Genki-dama. Considering he was just spectating the battle and was a fair distance away, he was clearly talking about the volume of energy that was eminatting from it.

The only noted that the fighters energy was impressive and nothing more.

Ok, that just corroborates with Whis's statements even more.

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Mind you this statement was made when Jiren was highly suppressed and increased his power several times over the course of the TOP.

This,assuming he gets passed MUI Goku.

Stops at 7 but your order isn’t that great

Whis shouldn’t be in this gauntlet, he’s not a good character scaling gauge in verse... he also would solo this entire gauntlet, everyone in the ToP, and broly at the same time. He’ll kill them all, then turn back time and kill them again.

Stops at one.

He definitely stops at 4. If Gogeta blue can beat LSSJ Broly, then Vegito blue can do it as well since they are equal.

Not sure about Zamasu. He is a bit weaker than Vegito BLue in the anime and much weaker in the manga or it could be as well Vegito Blue was far stronger in the manga. Despite that, Zamasu is still immortal as he was totally unharmed by Vegito blue's final kamehameha. The only way for broly to win against Merged Zamasu is to gather energy from each individual on a planet just like how Future Trunks did. If not, Broly stops at 3.

For round 2, Broly has the title of being stronger than a god of destruction and so does Jiren. Jiren overpowered those three fighters simultaneously. Hence, pretty sure he clears round 2.

In a 1-on-1 fight, I strongly believe Broly can beat Kefla with ease and Hit just like how he fought against Goku in the movie. If they both charge at Broly, Broly will still win after a mid-diff fight.

stops at 4 gogeta and vegito are one in the same gogeta says so

This, but I don't think UI Omen Goku can beat 100% Beerus since he only focuses on his defense in that form, so I will give it a 50-50. Though, MUI Goku would blitz 100% Beerus.

@omega_kai: Fan subs mean nothing which is why those statements are irrelevant in anything but the most general sense...

@paytience: Those are official subs.

Stops at Beerus, and if not definitively gets stomped by Whis.

@omega_kai:

"Whis stated the evidence, you can ignore said evidence but it will still be there.

The statement obviously had some intent behind for it to be stated right before the TOP. Regardless on the intent of the statement, it still doesn't take away the fact it came from Whis's mouth. Who is very a credible source and has been Beerus's teacher for millions years."

An arm wrestling has nothing to do with combat capabilities. Beerus even addressed it was in an arm wrestling to show it meant nothing to add up to an actual combat with belmod. Actual combat which we saw in the combat were beerus was taking on all the God's.

"You obviously misinterpreted his statement, because that was clear compliment to the power of the Genki-dama. Considering he was just spectating the battle and was a fair distance away, he was clearly talking about the volume of energy that was eminatting from it."

They were surprised at the level a mortal has attained compared to them God's. That's just it.

"Ok, that just corroborates with Whis's statements even more.

Mind you this statement was made when Jiren was highly suppressed and increased his power several times over the course of the TOP."

Yes a universe which a God (belmod) can't defeat not all gods.

Lol only on CV. Surely you know more about HIS student than he does right? Smh

An arm wrestling has nothing to do with combat capabilities. Beerus even addressed it was in an arm wrestling to show it meant nothing to add up to an actual combat with belmod.

The statement was there a reason and Whis straight up said Belmond was stronger than Beerus arm wrestling or not. Anyways, even though it's not blatantly said, its implied; moreover, even if he isn't stronger the most you could argue is that Beerus equal to him at most. Since going off the exhibition match in the anime, the Gods of Destruction seem to be relatively close with each other in power.

Actual combat which we saw in the combat were beerus was taking on all the God's.

Manga continuity, doesn't apply to the anime.

They were surprised at the level a mortal has attained compared to them God's. That's just it.

I didn't even bring up anything about the Genki Dama, as a matter of fact, Jiren didn't even make the Genki Dama it was Goku. So, all this attempt in using it as a tool to downplay Jiren is useless, since he pushed back it with ease while highly suppressed, further cementing his power at or above the level of a God of Destruction.

Yes a universe which a God (belmod) can't defeat not all gods.

Ok, this statement clearly doesn't refer to all Gods of Destruction but it's already been implied Belmond is stronger than Beerus. As has been noted, Jiren is substantially stronger than Belmond which by default makes him stronger than Beerus. In addition, UI Omen Goku was stated to "perhaps stronger than Beerus" and we've already seen Jiren seriously challenge and briefly overpower MUI Goku. In sum, there's nothing to presume Beerus is stronger than Jiren, while there's plenty to confirm Jiren is stronger than Beerus.

@legendary_user: Omen v3.0 had gotten used to Ultra Instinct's offensive side by the end of the fight.

Stops at 9

Because I do, since Whis has only been observing since BoG and, as an absolute being observing from the outside, I've been watching Goku since he was a child and have seen him grow and progress over the course of decades. Whis didn't even think Goku could use UI during the tournament, much less that he could do it several times. He kept teasing Beerus about getting erased because, to the characters within the show, that remained a very real possibility. One Whis couldn't brush off.

@omega_kai:

Since going off the exhibition match in the anime, the Gods of Destruction seem to be relatively close with each other in power.

The exhibition was not to test the limits of each GoD's power nor how powerful they were compared to each other. It was to test the durability of the arena stage to see if it would hold out for the duration. And only 3 GoD's participated in the exhibition. Not only that, but they didn't treat it as anything special. Not even warming up. No other GoD's were present aside from Geene and he didn't participate because he knew he'd have to help clean up the mess if he did.

further cementing his power at or above the level of a God of Destruction.

Definitely not above given how unconcerned the GoD's were with the display. Only that Whis states that Jiren's strength feels like that of a GoD. Which isn't surprising given that both Jiren and Toppo were being trained by Belmod to succeed him.

Belmond is stronger than Beerus.

No name was given as to who bested Beerus in arm-wrestling nor when this took place, nor if the former's strength diminished and the latter's increased. It's meaningless and holds no weight whatsoever. Whis' only purpose in saying it was to get Goku worked up and nothing more.

People are still denying the fact that Beerus is weaker than the likes of Jiren and MUI Goku? Really? The length certain peoples denial can reach never ceases to amaze me.

I came here to say this, like wtf. This gauntlet is all out of order. Drop Beerus to 5 and bump everyone else up. And honestly? Broly stops at what should be 6 UIO Goku.

Broly stomps the hell out of UIO Goku. There is nothing UIO Goku can do to him to harm him. Broly was smashing SSB the same way Jiren did, and Supressed Jiren had no issues with UIO at all.

I still feel like most people who comment here havent seen the Broly movie. Broly tanked a SSB Gogeta Stardust Breaker. Thats a incredible feat.

K, ignored from here on out.

Could stop at 3, definitely stops at 9. Brolly punches GTverse out of existence in the bonus.

I mean I was just lowballing, it doesn't matter either way though, cause once he hits Jiren he gets.... well -

@Aristeaus: Supressed Jiren only had no issues with Omen v1.0. Omen v3.0 easily handled Powered Up Jiren and was dead even with Full Power Jiren, although there were moments where Jiren had the edge because he had studied Goku's previous fight with Kefla and Goku was gradually acclimating to the full UI.

What's with the ordering? We already know that Broly is probably above Beerus so I'm not sure why he'd even here, much less so high and I think you're underestimating team 1. Honestly I'm not sure Broly can get past Hit's time skip, otherwise potentially anywhere from 3 onward but my best guess would be that he stops at 6.

he loses, curbstomped at 1, spite and mismatch thread based on strength, ability, and stats

What are you even talking about? Omen still didnt do anything to Jiren, and Jiren did not power up until he started getting close to MUI. That was the point where Belmond told him to stop messing around, and he rained down punches before Goku achieved MUI. He wasn't powered up or "full power" before then.

Are you really trying to say that Omen "v3" is just right before he gets MUI ( for maybe all of 15 seconds ) and that should be the benchmark for Omen? lol.

Galaxy busts

"The South Galaxy has been shattered...by a Super Saiyan!"

@xlr87t3: "The south galaxy is under attack...by a super sayan."

The japanese version.

The exhibition was not to test the limits of each GoD's power nor how powerful they were compared to each other. It was to test the durability of the arena stage to see if it would hold out for the duration. And only 3 GoD's participated in the exhibition. Not only that, but they didn't treat it as anything special. Not even warming up.

Still doesn't take away from the fact that none of the Gods could it get an advantage over one another. Also, Beerus is still a God of Destruction nonetheless and there's nothing to say he's among one of the strongest, nor is nothing to presume the Gods of Destruction are that much stronger than each other. Therefore, even if God of Destruction level, he surely surpassed due to his multiple powerups that dramatically increased his power, as well as, being on par with MUI.

trained by Belmod to succeed him

Who is stronger or relative in strength to Beerus and Jiren surpassed by a significant degree.

No name was given as to who bested Beerus in arm-wrestling nor when this took place, nor if theformer's strength diminished and the latter's increased. It's meaningless and holds no weight whatsoever. Whis' only purpose in saying it was to get Goku worked up and nothing more.

Statements in Dragon Ball are meant to be disregarded such as King Kai's warnings to about Frieza to Goku or Trunks warnings about the Androids to the Z-fighters. Or practically anything relating to strength about a character; moreover, no name needed to be given as it was confirmed who it was during the TOP.

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@omega_kai:

"The statement was there a reason and Whis straight up said Belmond was stronger than Beerus arm wrestling or not."

Nope, he said Belmond was stronger than beerus which beerus corrected to be in an arm wrestling not combat capabilities which whis himself said nothing else to contradict so his statement then is highly unquantifiable.

" Anyways, even though it's not blatantly said, its implied; moreover, even if he isn't stronger the most you could argue is that Beerus equal to him at most."

We can say that if we've seen beerus at full power though but sadly we haven't so like op said, it's safe to give him the benefit of doubt here.

"Since going off the exhibition match in the anime, the Gods of Destruction seem to be relatively close with each other in power."

This doesn't link to the topic at hand at all. If it does,you can as well explain more.

"I didn't even bring up anything about the Genki Dama, as a matter of fact, Jiren didn't even make the Genki Dama it was Goku."

I also didn't state jiren made the genki dama also. My point is they were impressed with jiren pushing back said genki dama with his glare which should be something that should be far fetched to a mortal.

" So, all this attempt in using it as a tool to downplay Jiren is useless,"

Using what exactly?

" since he pushed back it with ease while highly suppressed, further cementing his power at or above the level of a God of Destruction."

That doesn't put him at a God level actually because we don't know how easily a God could have erased goku's genkidama then. Also, jirens glare is actually more fierce than his combat hands as we saw him dropped his hands before pushing said genkidama. So his eyes then could have been dishing his full power.

"Ok, this statement clearly doesn't refer to all Gods of Destruction but it's already been implied Belmond is stronger than Beerus."

Yes, In an arm wrestling not an combat combat though.

" As has been noted, Jiren is substantially stronger than Belmond which by default makes him stronger than Beerus."

We don't know how much he's stronger than Belmod. The only statement we can work with is jiren is a mortal a God can't defeat not that a God lost to. In all indication, nothing proves their battle has being concluded but just a simple assumption that jiren might have surpassed him. Said belmod who could as well be significantly weaker than a full power beerus in an actual combat also,it's really anybody guess how it goes.

" In addition, UI Omen Goku was stated to "perhaps stronger than Beerus" and we've already seen Jiren seriously challenge and briefly overpower MUI Goku."

Were was it stated ui goku was outright stronger than a 100% full power beerus?

" In sum, there's nothing to presume Beerus is stronger than Jiren, while there's plenty to confirm Jiren is stronger than Beerus."

There are plenty but in summary, they're highly unqualifiable to work with unless we get to see a 100% beerus fair up with Goku or jiren in future.

Doesn't get past Merged Zamasu, immortality matters for something

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100% stops at Jiren via feats and probably statements as well